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Will PLD be useful again at lvl 99?
Cerberus.Valmur
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By Cerberus.Valmur 2010-10-12 20:20:04
No, pld is long dead
Leviathan.Angelskiss
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2010-10-12 20:23:12
Siren.Stewie said: Leviathan.Angelskiss said:
subbing dnc?
Yes. very very interesting to know :3
May attempt this :)
Thanks!
Phoenix.Fredjan
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-10-12 20:23:21
Siren.Stewie said:
Haidate are still sex for ws!
I could try on RDM.... but... meh
Fenrir.Yinsha
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By Fenrir.Yinsha 2010-10-12 20:24:36
I'm going to try to solo Byakko on Ninja right now. :3
Siren.Stewie
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By Siren.Stewie 2010-10-12 20:26:28
Fenrir.Yinsha said: I'm going to try to solo Byakko on Ninja right now. :3
Record it! :p
Bahamut.Aiyana
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-12 20:26:33
Phoenix.Fredjan said: Would this be any good?
Aiming for these myself, LOLSKY, WSDMG+10% Uzura +1 and OAT Enchu +1 (it'll be an Isatu for a while, though, have 7 nails). Going to use Fuma feet/Rutter sabatons meanwhile I slowly work towards af3+2
The sets make sense, but I would readjust some priorities. Mainly, aim for AF3+1 hat to replace Acubens (Pretty sure AF3+1 has 5% haste and other stats), which will allow you to drop a ton of accuracy gear in your TP set.
Aim for Bullwhip Belt, or get an RSE level 50 ring for 4% haste. (Should be able to abuse Cruor buffs to get into yellow HP.)
For WS, use Warwolf over Sentry. Throwing Haub in your WS set should be more than enough accuracy to allow this. Though, I just quickly glanced over it so I could be off on that.
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Leviathan.Angelskiss
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2010-10-12 20:27:37
Fenrir.Yinsha said: I'm going to try to solo Byakko on Ninja right now. :3 Seriously let us know how this turns out =/ I have been wanting my kitty pants forever :3
Siren.Stewie
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By Siren.Stewie 2010-10-12 20:28:48
go!
Edit: Though AF3+2 legs + flame ring + ire torque+1 might be better if it's +5% DW for every +2 piece.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-12 20:28:51
Quote: Aim for Bullwhip Belt, or get an RSE level 50 ring for 4% haste. (Should be able to abuse Cruor buffs to get into yellow HP.) Better yet, do both. Should be aiming to proc Shinobi Ring whenever possible.
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Fenrir.Yinsha
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By Fenrir.Yinsha 2010-10-12 20:30:07
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: Fenrir.Yinsha said: I'm going to try to solo Byakko on Ninja right now. :3 Seriously let us know how this turns out =/ I have been wanting my kitty pants forever :3 I'll attempt one solo, if I fail I'll try one dualboxing bard, will post results, lul
Bahamut.Aiyana
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-12 20:31:32
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Quote: Aim for Bullwhip Belt, or get an RSE level 50 ring for 4% haste. (Should be able to abuse Cruor buffs to get into yellow HP.) Better yet, do both. Should be aiming to proc Shinobi Ring whenever possible.
Good point. Can drop haste from other slots for better stuff!
Though, that doesn't work if you can't reliably proc Shinobi Ring.
Phoenix.Fredjan
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-10-12 20:33:45
I knew I was missing something (Shinobi ring)
Bahamut.Aiyana said:
...should be able to abuse Cruor buffs to get into yellow HP...
How?
Bahamut.Aiyana said: For WS, use Warwolf over Sentry. Throwing Haub in your WS set should be more than enough accuracy to allow this. Though, I just quickly glanced over it so I could be off on that. Haub +1 is on, yes
Bahamut.Aiyana
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-12 20:37:16
Siren.Stewie said:
go!
Edit: Though AF3+2 legs + flame ring + ire torque+1 might be better if it's +5% DW for every +2 piece.
I would ditch that Tiercel neck anyway unless you're hasted and marched to absolute hell. The jump from 25%->26% haste in gear is really like a gain of 0.39%~ haste or something dumb.
And yes, Dual Wield on NIN is absolutely incredible once you get AF3+2 hat. 10% right there.
Bahamut.Aeronis
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-12 20:40:51
That's a nice TP set o_o 1.1 seconds between sets of 2-3 attacks D:
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Siren.Stewie
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By Siren.Stewie 2010-10-12 20:41:47
Bahamut.Aiyana said: Siren.Stewie said:
go!
Edit: Though AF3+2 legs + flame ring + ire torque+1 might be better if it's +5% DW for every +2 piece.
I would ditch that Tiercel neck anyway unless you're hasted and marched to absolute hell. The jump from 25%->26% haste in gear is really like a gain of 0.39%~ haste or something dumb.
And yes, Dual Wield on NIN is absolutely incredible once you get AF3+2 hat. 10% right there.
People still do events without RDM BRD and DNC? :(
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-12 20:42:51
Siren.Stewie said:
go!
Edit: Though AF3+2 legs + flame ring + ire torque+1 might be better if it's +5% DW for every +2 piece.
Sup.
EDIT: No idea if should be using a different neck though.
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Phoenix.Fredjan
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-10-12 20:44:05
Should be using the X's Katana.
Siren.Stewie
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By Siren.Stewie 2010-10-12 20:44:18
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Siren.Stewie said:
go!
Edit: Though AF3+2 legs + flame ring + ire torque+1 might be better if it's +5% DW for every +2 piece.
Sup.
EDIT: No idea if should be using a different neck though.
Damn, now I have a reason to come back.
Bahamut.Aeronis
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-12 20:44:38
Bahamut.Aiyana said: Siren.Stewie said: go! Edit: Though AF3+2 legs + flame ring + ire torque+1 might be better if it's +5% DW for every +2 piece. I would ditch that Tiercel neck anyway unless you're hasted and marched to absolute hell. The jump from 25%->26% haste in gear is really like a gain of 0.39%~ haste or something dumb. And yes, Dual Wield on NIN is absolutely incredible once you get AF3+2 hat. 10% right there. Oh, it's 10% Dual Wield on the hat? Well that means along with SV it's almost .8 seconds between attacks... sounds like a fast kill to me :X
Bahamut.Aiyana
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-12 20:49:55
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Siren.Stewie said:
go!
Edit: Though AF3+2 legs + flame ring + ire torque+1 might be better if it's +5% DW for every +2 piece.
Sup.
EDIT: No idea if should be using a different neck though.
Only other neck to use would be Tiercel for the fraction of a haste %... lol
With Crit based atma and the like, pretty sure you may get more mileage out of AF3 neck though.
Bahamut.Aiyana
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-12 20:55:57
Siren.Stewie said: People still do events without RDM BRD and DNC? :(
Yep, especially very lowman events where Haste is likely the only buff you'll be getting. Quite a few LS still haven't realized how amazing DNC is. (Or nobody plays the job.. or both)
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Diabolos.Piraal
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By Diabolos.Piraal 2010-10-12 21:01:19
Siren.Stewie said: Quote: I sold my account 9 months ago, my item sets are accurate for what i had though I never put up the rest of them, I could if you care enough, unless you have dusk+1 and a relic your nin wasn't better than mine.
I don't need you to fill in your item sets to see what you have for the job, it's all in your gear history... your missing a hell of alot more then dusk+1, and relic, but hey if you really think your ninja is alot better geared then anyone that doesn't have dusk+1, and a relic I really couldn't care less to be honest. You yourself made the point with your any DD/NIN can tank comment, hell I know a DNC that would keep hate better then your ninja, I mean really ninja is the most useless job in the game, which brings me back to my first point lol...ninja calling pld useless is funny as hell.
Siren.Stewie
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By Siren.Stewie 2010-10-12 21:15:17
Diabolos.Piraal said: I'm mad
My gear history doesn't even show half of my gear.
Diabolos.Piraal
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By Diabolos.Piraal 2010-10-12 21:20:42
Siren.Stewie said: Hey kettle!! your black!!
Cool story
Bahamut.Aiyana
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-12 21:22:08
Siren.Stewie said: Diabolos.Piraal said: I'm mad
My gear history doesn't even show half of my gear.
Judging someone by their current equipped stuff, gear history, or item sets (Granted they make no sense) is a pretty bad way to judge someone's knowledge of the game.
It's like complaining that someone is gimp for not using Dusk gear in town.. Just, stop it.
Siren.Stewie
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By Siren.Stewie 2010-10-12 21:24:37
Diabolos.Piraal said: Siren.Stewie said: Hey kettle!! your black!!
Cool story
What?
Fenrir.Yinsha
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By Fenrir.Yinsha 2010-10-12 21:25:26
I like how all the ninja haters don't even know how to play ninja.
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Siren.Stewie
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By Siren.Stewie 2010-10-12 21:26:59
Bahamut.Aiyana said:
Judging someone by their current equipped stuff, gear history, or item sets (Granted they make no sense) is a pretty bad way to judge someone's knowledge of the game.
It's like complaining that someone is gimp for not using Dusk gear in town.. Just, stop it.
My RDM was gimp.
Diabolos.Piraal
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By Diabolos.Piraal 2010-10-12 21:29:21
Siren.Stewie said: Diabolos.Piraal said: Siren.Stewie said: Hey kettle!! your black!! Cool story What?
Right over your head huh?
lol... thats ok.
It seems to me that PLD is not what it once was as a "tank". With the amount of HP, and buffs other jobs can now get, along side the DMG most DD's put out, make it almost useless to use PLD's like they once were.
I think at 99 there are some exciting possibilitys for the job including haste, and other abilitys.
Any ideas how the job may change?
In 2004 it was pretty popular to stack VIT and DEF, 2010, haste ad ACC, it looks like SE is pushing for more -PDT% but who knows. :D
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