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Will PLD be useful again at lvl 99?
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-10-12 23:55:18
why is it that the people who roll on and start accusing others of gearing like noobs
have gearsets(if he even has sets and doesn't fulltime) that are absolutely *** disgusting
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-12 23:55:18
Titan.Bigpun said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Also, why the Sattva ring? =/ im perma pld for my ls, i never play any of my other jobs so figured no point in rajas, id let the other pld get the pld rings from the NM's so they can use rajas and have a good tank ring, 1 more enmity wont break me
PLD = tank
DDing = tanking
Rajas = DDing
Stattva is uh.. good for ramp-oh wait 6VIT rings.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-12 23:56:41
Titan.Bigpun said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Also, why the Sattva ring? =/ im perma pld for my ls, i never play any of my other jobs so figured no point in rajas, id let the other pld get the pld rings from the NM's so they can use rajas and have a good tank ring, 1 more enmity wont break me
Rajas will let you get to 100% TP in one less hit, increasing your WS frequency. Always a good thing.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-10-12 23:58:46
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Titan.Bigpun said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Also, why the Sattva ring? =/ im perma pld for my ls, i never play any of my other jobs so figured no point in rajas, id let the other pld get the pld rings from the NM's so they can use rajas and have a good tank ring, 1 more enmity wont break me
PLD = tank
DDing = tanking
Rajas = DDing
Stattva is uh.. good for ramp-oh wait 6VIT rings.
yeah but rajas gives you that hit off atonement that you really want to try to avoid
don't contradict bigpun, he's clearly pro
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By Titan.Bigpun 2010-10-12 23:59:07
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Titan.Bigpun said: ya cept i dont care bout a couple -pdt i got aegis Aegis makes PDT useless?
no it doesnt make it useless but -2 pdt isnt a big deal
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-12 23:59:47
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: why is it that the people who roll on and start accusing others of gearing like noobs
have gearsets(if he even has sets and doesn't fulltime) that are absolutely *** disgusting Dunno, but it's always good for a laugh.
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: PLD = tank
DDing = tanking
Rajas = DDing
Stattva is uh.. good for ramp-oh wait 6VIT rings. ahahaha well played
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-13 00:00:55
Titan.Bigpun said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Titan.Bigpun said: ya cept i dont care bout a couple -pdt i got aegis Aegis makes PDT useless?
no it doesnt make it useless but -2 pdt isnt a big deal Nor is haste, accuracy, STP, or a 45% DA rate apparently.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-10-13 00:02:03
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Titan.Bigpun said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Titan.Bigpun said: ya cept i dont care bout a couple -pdt i got aegis Aegis makes PDT useless?
no it doesnt make it useless but -2 pdt isnt a big deal Nor is haste, accuracy, STP, or a 45% DA rate apparently.
no you can't double attack silly it feeds too much tp
best way to do it is just not to engage
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By Titan.Bigpun 2010-10-13 00:03:07
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Titan.Bigpun said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Titan.Bigpun said: ya cept i dont care bout a couple -pdt i got aegis Aegis makes PDT useless? no it doesnt make it useless but -2 pdt isnt a big deal Nor is haste, accuracy, STP, or a 45% DA rate apparently.
at what point did i ever say those were? lol
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-13 00:04:09
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Titan.Bigpun said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Titan.Bigpun said: ya cept i dont care bout a couple -pdt i got aegis Aegis makes PDT useless?
no it doesnt make it useless but -2 pdt isnt a big deal Nor is haste, accuracy, STP, or a 45% DA rate apparently.
no you can't double attack silly it feeds too much tp
best way to do it is just not to engage
And rock that haute!
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-13 00:05:31
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Suddenly, everyone's on Bahamut. WHAT IS THIS You should come too! Totally got Raen wlegs, he was all scared of Kirin too. Fenrir was my second choice though :o Saw you guys went 2/2, hot stuff! Yeah take me with you next time!!! I got a pop set and can coontribute more than that thf!!!
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-10-13 00:05:48
Titan.Bigpun said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Titan.Bigpun said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Titan.Bigpun said: ya cept i dont care bout a couple -pdt i got aegis Aegis makes PDT useless? no it doesnt make it useless but -2 pdt isnt a big deal Nor is haste, accuracy, STP, or a 45% DA rate apparently.
at what point did i ever say those were? lol
1. Titan.Bigpun said: the haute gives me a higher dps without feeding a lot of tp like joytoy
2. your choice of sattva over rajas
3. your hybrid tp/enmity/idk what the *** it is set
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By Phoenix.Avelle 2010-10-13 00:07:18
Titan.Bigpun said: ya cept i dont care bout a couple -pdt i got aegis
Your shield must cry itself to sleep at night.
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By Titan.Bigpun 2010-10-13 00:08:18
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Titan.Bigpun said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Titan.Bigpun said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Titan.Bigpun said: ya cept i dont care bout a couple -pdt i got aegis Aegis makes PDT useless? no it doesnt make it useless but -2 pdt isnt a big deal Nor is haste, accuracy, STP, or a 45% DA rate apparently. at what point did i ever say those were? lol 1. Titan.Bigpun said: the haute gives me a higher dps without feeding a lot of tp like joytoy 2. your choice of sattva over rajas 3. your hybrid tp/enmity/idk what the *** it is set
lol ok ya u dont want the DA from the joytoy sometimes cuz if u feed mobs they spam TP moves like cerbs gates of hades or khims fulmination. and as for my gear thats what i wear just walking around lol. i have a ton of different gear sets and i have over 60 pieces of pld gear on me at any given time
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-13 00:14:26
Titan.Bigpun said: lol ok ya u dont want the DA from the joytoy sometimes cuz if u feed mobs they spam TP moves like cerbs gates of hades or khims fulmination. and as for my gear thats what i wear just walking around lol. i have a ton of different gear sets and i have over 60 pieces of pld gear on me at any given time
Readies Gates of Hades
//fireset
?
Bahamut.Dasva said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Suddenly, everyone's on Bahamut. WHAT IS THIS You should come too! Totally got Raen wlegs, he was all scared of Kirin too. Fenrir was my second choice though :o Saw you guys went 2/2, hot stuff! Yeah take me with you next time!!! I got a pop set and can coontribute more than that thf!!!
Could probably kill that for you I'm sure. I'd ask the Brit though
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-10-13 00:16:08
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Readies Gates of Hades
//fireset
?
ilu onevent
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By Titan.Bigpun 2010-10-13 00:17:39
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Titan.Bigpun said: lol ok ya u dont want the DA from the joytoy sometimes cuz if u feed mobs they spam TP moves like cerbs gates of hades or khims fulmination. and as for my gear thats what i wear just walking around lol. i have a ton of different gear sets and i have over 60 pieces of pld gear on me at any given time Readies Gates of Hades //fireset ?
lol no i wouldnt bother using fireset for GoH, aegis cuts damage so much it doesnt do much already anyways, i scraped my fire resist set a while ago but had to build another one for some of the new mobs. IR gear worked better on tia cuz it would reduce enough damage that i wasnt in any risk but could still cur bomb for hate so mages could nuke like crazy
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-13 00:18:16
Probably resist it half the time without fireset at 85 anyways >_>
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-13 00:18:40
Titan.Bigpun said: i have over 60 pieces of pld gear on me at any given time SO MUCH GEAR
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-13 00:20:28
I'm at 79/80 without fireset >_>
Titan.Bigpun said: IR gear worked better on tia cuz it would reduce enough damage that i wasnt in any risk but could still cur bomb for hate so mages could nuke like crazy
Are you talking about Tiamat at 75 or 85? Cause at 75 I find that hard to believe.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-10-13 00:21:29
Titan.Bigpun said: cuz it would reduce enough damage that i wasnt in any risk but could still cur bomb for hate so mages could nuke like crazy
yeah it's very important for me to take some damage so that i am able to cure for hate!
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By Titan.Darkwizardzin 2010-10-13 00:21:49
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Titan.Bigpun said: lol ok ya u dont want the DA from the joytoy sometimes cuz if u feed mobs they spam TP moves like cerbs gates of hades or khims fulmination. and as for my gear thats what i wear just walking around lol. i have a ton of different gear sets and i have over 60 pieces of pld gear on me at any given time Readies Gates of Hades
//fireset
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Soooo apparently using a weapon that does a little less damage just to make an NM use his aoe tp moves less is a bad move if you have a fireset. Never mind the fact that its an aoe nor the fact that fireset or not you will still take more damage over time by feeding monsters more tp.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-13 00:22:59
Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Soooo apparently using a weapon that does a little less damage just to make an NM use his aoe tp moves less is a bad move if you have a fireset. Never mind the fact that its an aoe nor the fact that fireset or not you will still take more damage over time by feeding monsters more tp. I hear they came out with this awesome new spell called Stun.
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By Titan.Bigpun 2010-10-13 00:23:54
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: I'm at 79/80 without fireset >_> Titan.Bigpun said: IR gear worked better on tia cuz it would reduce enough damage that i wasnt in any risk but could still cur bomb for hate so mages could nuke like crazy Are you talking about Tiamat at 75 or 85? Cause at 75 I find that hard to believe.
that was at 75, we havent bothered with tiamat at 85.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-13 00:25:20
Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Soooo apparently using a weapon that does a little less damage just to make an NM use his aoe tp moves less is a bad move if you have a fireset. Never mind the fact that its an aoe nor the fact that fireset or not you will still take more damage over time by feeding monsters more tp.
Considering PLD is a great DD thanks to bonus Atonement damage, uh yeah? Joyeuse is giving it like 6tp a hit, if you have other DDs in range of GoH, to TP, it's going to spam it anyway.
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By Titan.Darkwizardzin 2010-10-13 00:25:59
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Soooo apparently using a weapon that does a little less damage just to make an NM use his aoe tp moves less is a bad move if you have a fireset. Never mind the fact that its an aoe nor the fact that fireset or not you will still take more damage over time by feeding monsters more tp. I hear they came out with this awesome new spell called Stun. Troll harder why don't you.
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By Titan.Bigpun 2010-10-13 00:26:58
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Soooo apparently using a weapon that does a little less damage just to make an NM use his aoe tp moves less is a bad move if you have a fireset. Never mind the fact that its an aoe nor the fact that fireset or not you will still take more damage over time by feeding monsters more tp. Considering PLD is a great DD thanks to bonus Atonement damage, uh yeah? Joyeuse is giving it like 6tp a hit, if you have other DDs in range of GoH, to TP, it's going to spam it anyway.
ya ur right thats y ur DD dont tp on it, if u have DD they jus ws and get tp on other mobs or come sam or /sam, and smn r best for it cuz no hate bouncing and lots of dmg
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-13 00:27:10
Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Soooo apparently using a weapon that does a little less damage just to make an NM use his aoe tp moves less is a bad move if you have a fireset. Never mind the fact that its an aoe nor the fact that fireset or not you will still take more damage over time by feeding monsters more tp. I hear they came out with this awesome new spell called Stun. Troll harder why don't you. There's that trolling = truth thing again.
If it's that much of a problem you shouldn't be *** meleeing to begin with. Either way, you lose.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-13 00:27:34
Titan.Bigpun said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: I'm at 79/80 without fireset >_> Titan.Bigpun said: IR gear worked better on tia cuz it would reduce enough damage that i wasnt in any risk but could still cur bomb for hate so mages could nuke like crazy Are you talking about Tiamat at 75 or 85? Cause at 75 I find that hard to believe. that was at 75, we havent bothered with tiamat at 85.
Then yeah, Aegis and IR gear alone isn't going to make you take "okay" damage. I was still take upwards of 150
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By Titan.Bigpun 2010-10-13 00:29:07
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Titan.Bigpun said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: I'm at 79/80 without fireset >_> Titan.Bigpun said: IR gear worked better on tia cuz it would reduce enough damage that i wasnt in any risk but could still cur bomb for hate so mages could nuke like crazy Are you talking about Tiamat at 75 or 85? Cause at 75 I find that hard to believe. that was at 75, we havent bothered with tiamat at 85. Then yeah, Aegis and IR gear alone isn't going to make you take "okay" damage. I was still take upwards of 150
i was a lil less then that cuz we had relic brd, so with them and a rdm i didnt have to worry bout being low on mp and that helped reduce dmg more
It seems to me that PLD is not what it once was as a "tank". With the amount of HP, and buffs other jobs can now get, along side the DMG most DD's put out, make it almost useless to use PLD's like they once were.
I think at 99 there are some exciting possibilitys for the job including haste, and other abilitys.
Any ideas how the job may change?
In 2004 it was pretty popular to stack VIT and DEF, 2010, haste ad ACC, it looks like SE is pushing for more -PDT% but who knows. :D
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