23% Haste Reckoning +1 VS. 26% Haste Apoc

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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-10-14 16:22:13  
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
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Sky/sea/limbus/einherjar/znm/vnm etc all don't exist anymore?! There is more to do now than there ever has been.

Besides WLegs, what comes from Sky that has not been replaced already?

Genbu's Kabuto yo. Best Water resist piece of all time.




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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-10-14 16:22:34  

Would be the optimal 5-hit setup
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-10-14 16:24:36  
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
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Sky/sea/limbus/einherjar/znm/vnm etc all don't exist anymore?! There is more to do now than there ever has been.

Besides WLegs, what comes from Sky that has not been replaced already?

This is what I'm getting at. Heca still has some uses but there's really not a lot of gear that people wanna go for anymore. It's all "Abyssea Abyssea Abyssea" now. There are basically no shouts for anything anymore and most shells just do *drumroll* ...Abyssea.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-14 16:25:13  
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
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Sky/sea/limbus/einherjar/znm/vnm etc all don't exist anymore?! There is more to do now than there ever has been.

Besides WLegs, what comes from Sky that has not been replaced already?
Pretty sure the actual "god gear" pieces haven't been beaten for at least one use. Hecatomb hands and maybe the feet as well for some jobs, Crimson Finger Gauntlets, Crimson Greaves for resist builds off the top of my head.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-10-14 16:25:29  
Phoenix.Fredjan said:
Would be the optimal 5-hit setup

Without carb? too lazy to add it up.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-10-14 16:25:34  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Odin.Zicdeh said:
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What DRK would like:
native DA
longer LR duration
stronger (crit-based) WS
better gear selection

What DRK will get:
The Best Magic Attack Bonus gear.


Fix'd...
Pretty sure one job or another has equal or better MAB gear in every slot, though it took them long enough to match/beat Abyss Cuirass...

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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-10-14 16:27:54  
Lets not bull ***. The obvious reason for abysea was to lower the ammount of dedication to play ffxi. Now think for a minute, why would SE want to lower the time needed? That's right, so you can play ff14 at the same time. They don't want you to quit 11 so they give you minimal content. They want you to play both and abysea is a scam designed to achieve that. Anyone who doesnt see this is a bit stupid.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-14 16:29:04  
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Oh Raen, I'm sure we'll get some more elemental spells to go with that Magic Attack Bonus gear. There's nothing to worry about.

They should give us an ability that makes our spells give TP = to the damage we do. That wouldn't even be broken but would be useful.

A fix to Occult Acumen would be nice, yes.
My theory on Occult Acumen is that eventually BLU will get it. Anything beyond the current incarnation has potential to be overpowered in the hands of a BLU given that it's the one job that can truly capitalize on the TP gain, so they created the initial trait and will release a second tier at some point for DRK, BLM, and SCH. Will that make it worthwhile for any of those jobs? Probably not unless they rework BLM/SCH weapons... and I dunno if they could ever make it truly useful for DRK. Just my theory.

EDIT: Though my theory was based on 10% when it's apparently 2.5% for T1 of the trait? What the *** SE, what the ***.
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-10-14 16:29:06  
Excelior the new Pchan?
(joke)
That setup is 21.5% TP/hit with carbo, you can WS in pretty much anything.... though, eve atma kills the point of carbo
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-14 16:29:22  
Odin.Zicdeh said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Odin.Zicdeh said:
Bahamut.Raenryong said:
What DRK would like:
native DA
longer LR duration
stronger (crit-based) WS
better gear selection

What DRK will get:
The Best Magic Attack Bonus gear.


Fix'd...
Pretty sure one job or another has equal or better MAB gear in every slot, though it took them long enough to match/beat Abyss Cuirass...

Bale Sollerets +2 Say Hi.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-10-14 16:30:10  
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Lets not bull ***. The obvious reason for abysea was to lower the ammount of dedication to play ffxi. Now think for a minute, why would SE want to lower the time needed? That's right, so you can play ff14 at the same time. They don't want you to quit 11 so they give you minimal content. They want you to play both and abysea is a scam designed to achieve that. Anyone who doesnt see this is a bit stupid.


As much as I hate to agree with such a paranoid "They're all out to get me" statement, it rings true on every level.


SE didn't plan on one thing though.









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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-10-14 16:30:42  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:

BLU's not a job, try again!
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-10-14 16:30:55  
Well, this is the problem. With FFXI, we've been too used to there being ONE item to get and that's it for each purpose. Eg: nuking hands, let's get Zenith Mitts! WS pieces, Hecatomb. When do you think you will get Eradico Mitts? Not soon? Go get Zenith as an intermediate. When do you think you'll get <x WS piece>? Go get another. Whands as mentioned are still excellent as are a few other pieces.

Sky still has Novio/some torques/AV!

Einherjar still has desirable abjurations without having to go through HNM hell.

Dynamis is pretty shite now, not gonna lie.

ZNM, Aurum Cuirass is still a very cool story as well as a few other choice pieces.

VNM suck but yield magian upgrade items and powerful rings.

Etc, etc.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-10-14 16:33:48  
Lowering the amount of dedication/commitment needed is a GOOD thing. This allows you to more easily play FFXI while having a productive real life (not using any real life cards here, saying in general), instead of being chained to a linkshell and forced to wait in huge item queues etc.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-14 16:34:47  
Odin.Zicdeh said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:

BLU's not a job, try again!


Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Sky still has Novio/some torques/AV!


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Dynamis is pretty shite now, not gonna lie.
True... I'll still be running Dyna for gear I need though >_>
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-10-14 16:36:55  
I'm not trying to sound paranoid but I think its a pretty logical explaination.
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By Leviathan.Solanis 2010-10-14 16:52:26  
Abyssea at its full potential is even more of a timesink than any endgame in FFXI ever was before.

However, it's really obviously an anti-HNM measure, and a way for casuals to slowly, slowly, slowly accomplish the exact same things hardcore players can do much faster.

It's an obnoxious system, but it's very fun, and very smart.
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-10-14 16:55:23  
Bahamut.Raenryong said:

VNM suck but yield magian upgrade items and powerful rings.
Killing Lord Ruthven "the right way" can be a PITA and can't be low manned efficiently =/
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-14 17:25:07  
Phoenix.Fredjan said:
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VNM suck but yield magian upgrade items and powerful rings.
Killing Lord Ruthven "the right way" can be a PITA and can't be low manned efficiently =/
That was sarcasm RIGHT? It's been soloed. right hur.

Edit: Just got what you meant by "the right way" but why would you do it that way anyways? :p
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-10-14 17:32:03  
Because some GMs can suspend you for using pinning. They're *** like that.
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-14 17:42:27  
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Because some GMs can suspend you for using pinning. They're *** like that.
Oh. Well that stinks >_>
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-10-14 17:43:10  
Bismarck.Dracondria said:
Because some GMs can suspend you for using pinning. They're *** like that.


Ya I've heard many stories of people getting butthurt like a mofo, and GMing you for pinning an NM....lame.
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-10-14 17:54:48  
Bahamut.Aeronis said:

Edit: Just got what you meant by "the right way" but why would you do it that way anyways? :p
Being able to kill Lord Ruthven in more zones than just one increases your chances of popping a shadow'd nm, but Beaucedine Glacier pinning spots suck, and no words for the past.
For reference, Krabkatoa can be pinned in 3 freaking zones <.<
but he's a cookbook (anyone who has done the cookbook quest in abyssea will get this reference). His spikes deal like 80+ damage to melee, has annoying gaze-terror and gaze-doom (terror being the more annoying), and magic damage is useless (so you have to resort to RNG and SMN damage). RDM/NIN can't tank it well if he can't damage it...
And I forgot that he still resists slow like a mofo, when it lands just fine on krab...
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-10-14 18:01:01  
since this thread has derailed to VNMs, how low can Urd be low-manned now? PM me if you dont want to blow up this thread


edit: including 1 85 sam with fairly decent gear and Keitonotachi+1 (WS path)
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-14 18:04:04  
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
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Because some GMs can suspend you for using pinning. They're *** like that.
Ya I've heard many stories of people getting butthurt like a mofo, and GMing you for pinning an NM....lame.
Also heard of the same GM saying it's ok lol
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-10-14 18:05:29  
Bahamut.Dasva said:

Also heard of the same GM saying it's ok lol
Don't see why not, as terrain has been used for stuff like wars too.
@Eike: I haven't fought those pixies myself tbh
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-10-14 18:06:15  
Hell the game was designed a certain way, I say its fair game considering how *** difficult some of those NMs can be if you toe to toe. And like some abyssea NMs (like the bat in mis) can be pinned on ruins...but kiting it can be annoying as well, and toe to toe is a no go with its crazy AOEs.
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-10-14 18:08:38  
I actually like RDM/NIN x2 for most abyssea nms, but that's just impossible to do on Lord Ruthven.
Feuerunke would be HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE if you couldn't pin it, though.... would need a lot of blms doing stun rotation during hundred fists <.<
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-14 18:10:48  
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
since this thread has derailed to VNMs, how low can Urd be low-manned now? PM me if you dont want to blow up this thread edit: including 1 85 sam with fairly decent gear and Keitonotachi+1 (WS path)

Urd can be soloed. Since you're a SAM, duo it with a DNC buddy that isn't HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, you should do fine, just run from Trance.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-14 18:10:48  
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I actually like RDM/NIN x2 for most abyssea nms, but that's just impossible to do on Lord Ruthven. Feuerunke would be HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE if you couldn't pin it, though.... would need a lot of blms doing stun rotation during hundred fists <.<
OR 1 good blu. I used stun lock during HF on blu
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