Amano Still Worth It?

Ghorn has lost a lot of ground now due to

1) The + skill not helping anymore (atm) due to March capping at 600 total skill

2) With Ballad+1 now, Ghorn is only adding +2mp/tick which is hardly worth it with the amount of refresh out now.

3) There is some instruments now that have +3 to some songs which makes those better to use than ghorn

Right now, all Ghorn really is is a space saver, until we get a new march song with a higher skill cap or Ghorn gets trials, its hardly worth the time and effort to make it.

Biggest use for skill was song tiers and macc, March now caps and can be reached without merits, and as of now, there's not much difficulty landing debuffs on anything. Other instruments have +3 to songs, so Ghorn doesn't beat that. So yeah it's +inv space right now, like I said it and other relics need bigger and better trials.

Edit: Bah beaten

Your avatar has me in a trance.

Wouldn't it be Ascetic's vs. Victory Smite? Assuming proper atmas, when would you really ever use Asuran anymore?

Anyways, 85 Masamune really does crush 85 Amano. It's easier to 5hit Amano, but not impossible to 5hit Masa. And 6hit Masa can/will still beat 5hit Amano. With level 90 gear and new stp tier for sam, it will only become easier to 5hit Masa and leave Amano even farther behind. But who knows, maybe they will give relics OAT, ODD, or empy WS and they might still have a chance.

edit: In case anyone was wondering. It took 6 days from the day i received my first gem to finish 85 masa. I was pretty hardcore but it's not as impossible as relics are for normal players.

little off topic buuuuuuuuuuut...

anyone know how Armageddon compares to Annihilator?

Personally, from what I've seen from Masamune, Amano is not worth it.
Fudo x2 makes light, along with the Aftermath of double damage occasionally. Unless you have absolutely nothing else you need with the gil you're using for this, don't waste your time and money. Time most deffinitely. Not only does this cost you a pretty penny, but there's more than 8500 WSs to dish out, 7000 being on the killing blow. As someone said earlier, you're not even a 1/3rd of the way there on the 75 weapon. You're better off using your time to get pop sets for Carabosse and Cirein-Croin. Oblit has a guide on the forums for low-manning Carabosse, and RDM can solo Cirein. The only thing Amano has over Masamune is atk down on the mob, which would be good for Tanking situations, but otherwise, Masamune tears it appart.

Wildfire seems to be more of a Leaden Salute +1 than a Slug Shot +1, so it's probably geared more towards CORs. Both Coronach and Wildfire have reduced enmity, but Coronach has the aftermath so take that as you will.

Jishnu's Radiance on the other hand might be your Sidewinder killer.

Some relics are still great.

Guttler > Farsha for example

Annihilator is still good too. But with Yoichi taking a back seat to Gandiva I'm curious if Gandiva is better than Annihilator.

wow a year later lol. And Yoichi has not taken a backseat to Gandiva. At all.

Amano > Masamune now.

lol

Masamune very much still has a use over Amano. I only see Amano being better when the Acc is needed.

From the point of view of someone who does not have a large group to oraganize and would plan to either solo-duo-trio the way to a relic/mythic, what would my better choice be?

I'm not concerned about out-damaging everyone and more concerned about being flexable in different situations.

Should I really work on getting both Amano & Masa to use depending on situations?

@.@ So much info to take in.

Relics take no time at all to create, and most people will probably never finish an Empyrean(to 99, that is). Difference between Amano and Masa is negligible, and Amano will almost assuredly be better at 99. Can't justify creating a new Empyrean at this point for most cases.

*** stupid necro from some *** with a 2002 anal sex joke as a player icon talking about how good guttler is and some blathering about RNG weapons he can't possibly begin to understand

USE COMMAS, PLEASE.

95 Amano is easier to get, and with the damage bonus and increase to 2.5x dmg rate. Amano easily beats Masa, and alot of VW are evasive giving Amano even more ground.

easily better?

situationally better

I can see it beating 95 Masa on evasive things, but not on anything else.

That necrobump is so wrong in many ways...

Sorry for the necro just didnt want to start a new thread when one was available.

Now i have a Masa @85 working on 90 (shouldnt take long now to 90). as a off note im also building a twash to off hand with my Mandau.

Now 1500 plates is no small feat to attain so which way i use the 1500 is yet undecided.

Chances are i wont be making a 99 relic, dont have the capacity to kill ADL nor am i dumb enough to pay the 80mil a vile lol. I mean rather than pay 400mil for Lv.99 id rather buy a KC, and build 2 more relics lol but i digress.

How does 90/95 Masamune compare to 95 Amanomurakumo? is the difference big enough to warrant making one?

As a side note how does 99 respectively for both compare?

Reason behind my asking is for my next (most likely my last) relic im gonna make either the Amano or yoichi. So if the Amano simply aint worth the time investment over the Masamune then ill start working on my Yoichi instead (and maybe a Occ. 2-4 attack GK to compliment Yoichi spam lol).


Thanks for reading and thanks in advance for your responses

From what I understand,you'd be better of building the mythic.Its alot rarer,a bit more expensive,harder to make,but in return you'd be getting the best weapon of the lot of them.With the new meritted WS and 300% aftermath,you'd be destorying everything else I believe.

Not to mention the mythic GK is the best looking weapon in the game.

And as always,superior ***always costs more/takes more work.

Mythic is 3 times as expensive as an Amano. At least on Fenrir lol.

What you're looking at here, excluding mythic, is what benefits do you actually gain from amano vs masa?

With shoha being as good as it is, let's assume you'll be using that ws (unless you somehow got a 99 amano with 40% increase to kaiten). That mean's no fudo and it's aftermath, so then masa just becomes a high base damage gk with a good amount of str on it. Amano provides 35 acc, and an always active ODD, plus a higher base damage.

However, 99 masamune is easier to get than 99 amano.

IMO the always active ODD is what sells amano for me.

ON Sylph bronze are 7.5k-8k,and lately alex has been coming down to around 6k (except for some JP shouting to buy at 12k,so it might go back up).Now either way its gonna be more expensive,as expected.

But from what i understand you're getting a significantly better weapon in every way,so its worth it to an extent (because I dont believe in this 300mil+ mythic ***) but I never said buy all the alex.I havent bought any since they rose from 3k.But logically to me,I cant see why anyone would build an inferior weapon just because its "easy".Use everything from that time on something better,and boom you're half way done with the hard part of a better weapon.Not to mention the exclusivity factor.

Edit: Nvm,ignore everything I posted.I just dont get it sometimes. /slapself

I dont know why you just totally wrote off Masa's aftermath...

It is incredibly easy to keep up. 300tp fudo > shoha spam till worn.

300tp fudo just for aftermath that'd have have ODD anyways is also 3 unusuaed shoha's

so from the gist of whats being discussed, forget Yoichi, Amano beats Masa on the active 2.5x dmg without Aftermath. and at 99 Amano obliterates Masa?

Or am i reading wrong?

As for the Mythic, its nothing i considered, may do but for now id just like to see which is the better of the 2 Amano and masa :)

Thanks

Well then it depends on what you are doing. (like everything in this game). VW is incredibly easy to keep the aftermath up with wings and usually start fights at 300tp (meditating while waiting).

Fodder mobs where att is capped on the mob fudo pulls ahead or is even with shoha.

Then abyssea, shoha is usually the better choice in aby depending on what you are fighting.