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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-04 13:58:41  
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I don't really think this hypothetical fits. You have to take in account that the justice league didn't do anything either.

Aquaman is excused at least. None of this happened in or near the ocean.
Aquaman was busy with the BP tragedy.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-11-04 14:00:27  
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maybe hypotheticals aren't the best way to illustrate a point :/

I liked this hypothetical moreso than the other ones I've posted. Simply because for years comics have been taking note of current events and making allusions to them. Look at some of the older comics during the Cold War, they are riddled with real-life allusions. Often times it's easier to understand a stand-alone scenario than a convoluted subject.
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By Asura.Baroma 2010-11-04 14:01:22  
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Oh, sure. Not defending Obama here. Just sayin', the bank and car industry bailouts were passed with the full approval of both parties, and neither should be allowed to now point the finger at the other.

A "Memo" from Wall Street to DC Pretty much summed up the blame. They themselves and also the Fed (Greenspan mainly) It started way before Bush & Obama can take the blame.

Well, Time for work! gotta make some money so i can help pay off the nations debt! I think i heard thast every American head has 40k debt, not including their own individual debts...
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-11-04 14:06:19  
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Oh, sure. Not defending Obama here. Just sayin', the bank and car industry bailouts were passed with the full approval of both parties, and neither should be allowed to now point the finger at the other.
A "Memo" from Wall Street to DC Pretty much summed up the blame. They themselves and also the Fed (Greenspan mainly) It started way before Bush & Obama can take the blame. Well, Time for work! gotta make some money so i can help pay off the nations debt! I think i heard thast every American head has 40k debt, not including their own individual debts...

hahah, would be funny to go to a baby shower and give a card: "Congratulations on your additional 40k debt!"
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By Asura.Baroma 2010-11-04 14:09:51  
Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Oh, sure. Not defending Obama here. Just sayin', the bank and car industry bailouts were passed with the full approval of both parties, and neither should be allowed to now point the finger at the other.
A "Memo" from Wall Street to DC Pretty much summed up the blame. They themselves and also the Fed (Greenspan mainly) It started way before Bush & Obama can take the blame. Well, Time for work! gotta make some money so i can help pay off the nations debt! I think i heard thast every American head has 40k debt, not including their own individual debts...

hahah, would be funny to go to a baby shower and give a card: "Congratulations on your additional 40k debt!"

LOL! you know, its funny cause it actually might come down to that one day. And in all seriousness, birthrate here has decreased like crazy. So that means more debt per baby unless theres a huge boom again.
 
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-11-04 14:31:14  
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And in all seriousness, birthrate here has decreased like crazy. So that means more debt per baby unless theres a huge boom again.
US Live Birth Rate, 1934 to 2004


Looks pretty stable to me.... I guess it depends where you cut the graph off.
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2010-11-04 14:35:29  
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Asura.Baroma said:
And in all seriousness, birthrate here has decreased like crazy. So that means more debt per baby unless theres a huge boom again.
US Live Birth Rate, 1934 to 2004


Looks pretty stable to me.... I guess it depends where you cut the graph off.

Problem is theres like 3 billion if not more of to many people on this planet... The book Ecotopia by Ernest Callenbach has a good reference to this issue and dealing with it.
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By Asura.Baroma 2010-11-04 14:37:22  
Lol look at more recent years! Post the stats. I'm on my droid or I would
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-11-04 14:42:44  
The graphs are... weird. I'm not sure which graph is representing what. But I don't see any major dip in the last few years regardless of where I look. Just a bunch of speculation.
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By Asura.Baroma 2010-11-04 14:54:36  
I can't make this a hyperlink, but this is what I meant, the rate of which its dropping is growing. http://www.vosizneias.com/63141/2010/08/29/washington-recession-may-have-pushed-u-s-birth-rate-to-new-low/
 
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-05 01:38:47  
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Here's the pie chart you guys are thinking of. This isn't the "national debt" but rather the federal budget. I.e. what the government's money is spent on every year.

Keep in mind that until a few weeks ago, over $100B in additional military and intelligence spending was not published with the federal budget. They had a blank check and not even Congress knew how much they spent. Obama finally published the number for the first time in history a few weeks ago, but it's not included on the chart.



The point to take away from this chart is thus: not even the Republicans and Tea Party are arguing we should cut Social Security, defense spending, war on terror spending, intelligence spending, or Medicare/Medicaid. It's not even in their platform, and we can't not pay debt interest. Together those things make up almost all of the federal budget.

There just aren't any easy areas to cut. People say "cut foreign aid!" but the amount we contribute is so microscopic it doesn't even make it onto the graph. We have to cut waste and spending from every area, but no one has any ideas how to do so, because there are too many interested parties.

drop social security, be a 1/5 reduction off the bat.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-05 01:42:20  
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Here's the pie chart you guys are thinking of. This isn't the "national debt" but rather the federal budget. I.e. what the government's money is spent on every year. Keep in mind that until a few weeks ago, over $100B in additional military and intelligence spending was not published with the federal budget. They had a blank check and not even Congress knew how much they spent. Obama finally published the number for the first time in history a few weeks ago, but it's not included on the chart. The point to take away from this chart is thus: not even the Republicans and Tea Party are arguing we should cut Social Security, defense spending, war on terror spending, intelligence spending, or Medicare/Medicaid. It's not even in their platform, and we can't not pay debt interest. Together those things make up almost all of the federal budget. There just aren't any easy areas to cut. People say "cut foreign aid!" but the amount we contribute is so microscopic it doesn't even make it onto the graph. We have to cut waste and spending from every area, but no one has any ideas how to do so, because there are too many interested parties.
drop social security, be a 1/5 reduction off the bat.

Our economy would bottom out because seniors would stop spending money. If you don't spend money business can't make profit and thus expand. We're sorta damned if we do damned if we don't. You have to keep current programs in place but bring them within sustainable budget range.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-05 01:56:59  
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Here's the pie chart you guys are thinking of. This isn't the "national debt" but rather the federal budget. I.e. what the government's money is spent on every year. Keep in mind that until a few weeks ago, over $100B in additional military and intelligence spending was not published with the federal budget. They had a blank check and not even Congress knew how much they spent. Obama finally published the number for the first time in history a few weeks ago, but it's not included on the chart. The point to take away from this chart is thus: not even the Republicans and Tea Party are arguing we should cut Social Security, defense spending, war on terror spending, intelligence spending, or Medicare/Medicaid. It's not even in their platform, and we can't not pay debt interest. Together those things make up almost all of the federal budget. There just aren't any easy areas to cut. People say "cut foreign aid!" but the amount we contribute is so microscopic it doesn't even make it onto the graph. We have to cut waste and spending from every area, but no one has any ideas how to do so, because there are too many interested parties.
drop social security, be a 1/5 reduction off the bat.

Our economy would bottom out because seniors would stop spending money. If you don't spend money business can't make profit and thus expand. We're sorta damned if we do damned if we don't. You have to keep current programs in place but bring them within sustainable budget range.

Economy would do fine, just have to kill the old people(75+) and take their money and distribute equally among the 30 & younger, we'd be fine.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-05 02:02:04  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Here's the pie chart you guys are thinking of. This isn't the "national debt" but rather the federal budget. I.e. what the government's money is spent on every year. Keep in mind that until a few weeks ago, over $100B in additional military and intelligence spending was not published with the federal budget. They had a blank check and not even Congress knew how much they spent. Obama finally published the number for the first time in history a few weeks ago, but it's not included on the chart. The point to take away from this chart is thus: not even the Republicans and Tea Party are arguing we should cut Social Security, defense spending, war on terror spending, intelligence spending, or Medicare/Medicaid. It's not even in their platform, and we can't not pay debt interest. Together those things make up almost all of the federal budget. There just aren't any easy areas to cut. People say "cut foreign aid!" but the amount we contribute is so microscopic it doesn't even make it onto the graph. We have to cut waste and spending from every area, but no one has any ideas how to do so, because there are too many interested parties.
drop social security, be a 1/5 reduction off the bat.
Our economy would bottom out because seniors would stop spending money. If you don't spend money business can't make profit and thus expand. We're sorta damned if we do damned if we don't. You have to keep current programs in place but bring them within sustainable budget range.
Economy would do fine, just have to kill the old people(75+) and take their money and distribute equally among the 30 & younger, we'd be fine.

lol. We'll follow your lead >.>
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-05 02:04:20  
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Here's the pie chart you guys are thinking of. This isn't the "national debt" but rather the federal budget. I.e. what the government's money is spent on every year. Keep in mind that until a few weeks ago, over $100B in additional military and intelligence spending was not published with the federal budget. They had a blank check and not even Congress knew how much they spent. Obama finally published the number for the first time in history a few weeks ago, but it's not included on the chart. The point to take away from this chart is thus: not even the Republicans and Tea Party are arguing we should cut Social Security, defense spending, war on terror spending, intelligence spending, or Medicare/Medicaid. It's not even in their platform, and we can't not pay debt interest. Together those things make up almost all of the federal budget. There just aren't any easy areas to cut. People say "cut foreign aid!" but the amount we contribute is so microscopic it doesn't even make it onto the graph. We have to cut waste and spending from every area, but no one has any ideas how to do so, because there are too many interested parties.
drop social security, be a 1/5 reduction off the bat.
Our economy would bottom out because seniors would stop spending money. If you don't spend money business can't make profit and thus expand. We're sorta damned if we do damned if we don't. You have to keep current programs in place but bring them within sustainable budget range.
Economy would do fine, just have to kill the old people(75+) and take their money and distribute equally among the 30 & younger, we'd be fine.

lol. We'll follow your lead >.>

what to do with the aging is a severe problem, and quite frankly I find that it's more of a problem than it's worth. You think of a better way and hell even more "humane" (subjective since making everyone else suffer due to some aging and often ailing old people isn't very humane) and I'll take note.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-05 02:09:56  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Here's the pie chart you guys are thinking of. This isn't the "national debt" but rather the federal budget. I.e. what the government's money is spent on every year. Keep in mind that until a few weeks ago, over $100B in additional military and intelligence spending was not published with the federal budget. They had a blank check and not even Congress knew how much they spent. Obama finally published the number for the first time in history a few weeks ago, but it's not included on the chart. The point to take away from this chart is thus: not even the Republicans and Tea Party are arguing we should cut Social Security, defense spending, war on terror spending, intelligence spending, or Medicare/Medicaid. It's not even in their platform, and we can't not pay debt interest. Together those things make up almost all of the federal budget. There just aren't any easy areas to cut. People say "cut foreign aid!" but the amount we contribute is so microscopic it doesn't even make it onto the graph. We have to cut waste and spending from every area, but no one has any ideas how to do so, because there are too many interested parties.
drop social security, be a 1/5 reduction off the bat.
Our economy would bottom out because seniors would stop spending money. If you don't spend money business can't make profit and thus expand. We're sorta damned if we do damned if we don't. You have to keep current programs in place but bring them within sustainable budget range.
Economy would do fine, just have to kill the old people(75+) and take their money and distribute equally among the 30 & younger, we'd be fine.
lol. We'll follow your lead >.>
what to do with the aging is a severe problem, and quite frankly I find that it's more of a problem than it's worth. You think of a better way and hell even more "humane" (subjective since making everyone else suffer due to some aging and often ailing old people isn't very humane) and I'll take note.

Raise the social security age and have people in the work force longer. Sixty is the new 50: people can still work.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-05 02:11:43  
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Here's the pie chart you guys are thinking of. This isn't the "national debt" but rather the federal budget. I.e. what the government's money is spent on every year. Keep in mind that until a few weeks ago, over $100B in additional military and intelligence spending was not published with the federal budget. They had a blank check and not even Congress knew how much they spent. Obama finally published the number for the first time in history a few weeks ago, but it's not included on the chart. The point to take away from this chart is thus: not even the Republicans and Tea Party are arguing we should cut Social Security, defense spending, war on terror spending, intelligence spending, or Medicare/Medicaid. It's not even in their platform, and we can't not pay debt interest. Together those things make up almost all of the federal budget. There just aren't any easy areas to cut. People say "cut foreign aid!" but the amount we contribute is so microscopic it doesn't even make it onto the graph. We have to cut waste and spending from every area, but no one has any ideas how to do so, because there are too many interested parties.
drop social security, be a 1/5 reduction off the bat.
Our economy would bottom out because seniors would stop spending money. If you don't spend money business can't make profit and thus expand. We're sorta damned if we do damned if we don't. You have to keep current programs in place but bring them within sustainable budget range.
Economy would do fine, just have to kill the old people(75+) and take their money and distribute equally among the 30 & younger, we'd be fine.
lol. We'll follow your lead >.>
what to do with the aging is a severe problem, and quite frankly I find that it's more of a problem than it's worth. You think of a better way and hell even more "humane" (subjective since making everyone else suffer due to some aging and often ailing old people isn't very humane) and I'll take note.

Raise the social security age and have people in the work force longer. Sixty is the new 50: people can still work.

Meh I find working for a living to be a crock anyway, which brings in another whole set of issues, but just on this why not just get rid of the old people? they aren't productive to society in the least, and it's not like they're going to reverse in age (babies aren't productive, but they will age to be).
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-05 02:13:16  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Here's the pie chart you guys are thinking of. This isn't the "national debt" but rather the federal budget. I.e. what the government's money is spent on every year. Keep in mind that until a few weeks ago, over $100B in additional military and intelligence spending was not published with the federal budget. They had a blank check and not even Congress knew how much they spent. Obama finally published the number for the first time in history a few weeks ago, but it's not included on the chart. The point to take away from this chart is thus: not even the Republicans and Tea Party are arguing we should cut Social Security, defense spending, war on terror spending, intelligence spending, or Medicare/Medicaid. It's not even in their platform, and we can't not pay debt interest. Together those things make up almost all of the federal budget. There just aren't any easy areas to cut. People say "cut foreign aid!" but the amount we contribute is so microscopic it doesn't even make it onto the graph. We have to cut waste and spending from every area, but no one has any ideas how to do so, because there are too many interested parties.
drop social security, be a 1/5 reduction off the bat.
Our economy would bottom out because seniors would stop spending money. If you don't spend money business can't make profit and thus expand. We're sorta damned if we do damned if we don't. You have to keep current programs in place but bring them within sustainable budget range.
Economy would do fine, just have to kill the old people(75+) and take their money and distribute equally among the 30 & younger, we'd be fine.
lol. We'll follow your lead >.>
what to do with the aging is a severe problem, and quite frankly I find that it's more of a problem than it's worth. You think of a better way and hell even more "humane" (subjective since making everyone else suffer due to some aging and often ailing old people isn't very humane) and I'll take note.
Raise the social security age and have people in the work force longer. Sixty is the new 50: people can still work.
Meh I find working for a living to be a crock anyway, which brings in another whole set of issues, but just on this why not just get rid of the old people? they aren't productive to society in the least, and it's not like they're going to reverse in age (babies aren't productive, but they will age to be).

Because I will be old someday
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-05 02:13:57  
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Here's the pie chart you guys are thinking of. This isn't the "national debt" but rather the federal budget. I.e. what the government's money is spent on every year. Keep in mind that until a few weeks ago, over $100B in additional military and intelligence spending was not published with the federal budget. They had a blank check and not even Congress knew how much they spent. Obama finally published the number for the first time in history a few weeks ago, but it's not included on the chart. The point to take away from this chart is thus: not even the Republicans and Tea Party are arguing we should cut Social Security, defense spending, war on terror spending, intelligence spending, or Medicare/Medicaid. It's not even in their platform, and we can't not pay debt interest. Together those things make up almost all of the federal budget. There just aren't any easy areas to cut. People say "cut foreign aid!" but the amount we contribute is so microscopic it doesn't even make it onto the graph. We have to cut waste and spending from every area, but no one has any ideas how to do so, because there are too many interested parties.
drop social security, be a 1/5 reduction off the bat.
Our economy would bottom out because seniors would stop spending money. If you don't spend money business can't make profit and thus expand. We're sorta damned if we do damned if we don't. You have to keep current programs in place but bring them within sustainable budget range.
Economy would do fine, just have to kill the old people(75+) and take their money and distribute equally among the 30 & younger, we'd be fine.
lol. We'll follow your lead >.>
what to do with the aging is a severe problem, and quite frankly I find that it's more of a problem than it's worth. You think of a better way and hell even more "humane" (subjective since making everyone else suffer due to some aging and often ailing old people isn't very humane) and I'll take note.
Raise the social security age and have people in the work force longer. Sixty is the new 50: people can still work.
Meh I find working for a living to be a crock anyway, which brings in another whole set of issues, but just on this why not just get rid of the old people? they aren't productive to society in the least, and it's not like they're going to reverse in age (babies aren't productive, but they will age to be).

Because I will be old someday
you have to die sometime, why be a burden to others? I don't ever plan to live to that age so I guess I don't give a rats *** either way.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-05 02:17:41  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Here's the pie chart you guys are thinking of. This isn't the "national debt" but rather the federal budget. I.e. what the government's money is spent on every year. Keep in mind that until a few weeks ago, over $100B in additional military and intelligence spending was not published with the federal budget. They had a blank check and not even Congress knew how much they spent. Obama finally published the number for the first time in history a few weeks ago, but it's not included on the chart. The point to take away from this chart is thus: not even the Republicans and Tea Party are arguing we should cut Social Security, defense spending, war on terror spending, intelligence spending, or Medicare/Medicaid. It's not even in their platform, and we can't not pay debt interest. Together those things make up almost all of the federal budget. There just aren't any easy areas to cut. People say "cut foreign aid!" but the amount we contribute is so microscopic it doesn't even make it onto the graph. We have to cut waste and spending from every area, but no one has any ideas how to do so, because there are too many interested parties.
drop social security, be a 1/5 reduction off the bat.
Our economy would bottom out because seniors would stop spending money. If you don't spend money business can't make profit and thus expand. We're sorta damned if we do damned if we don't. You have to keep current programs in place but bring them within sustainable budget range.
Economy would do fine, just have to kill the old people(75+) and take their money and distribute equally among the 30 & younger, we'd be fine.
lol. We'll follow your lead >.>
what to do with the aging is a severe problem, and quite frankly I find that it's more of a problem than it's worth. You think of a better way and hell even more "humane" (subjective since making everyone else suffer due to some aging and often ailing old people isn't very humane) and I'll take note.
Raise the social security age and have people in the work force longer. Sixty is the new 50: people can still work.
Meh I find working for a living to be a crock anyway, which brings in another whole set of issues, but just on this why not just get rid of the old people? they aren't productive to society in the least, and it's not like they're going to reverse in age (babies aren't productive, but they will age to be).
Because I will be old someday
you have to die sometime, why be a burden to others? I don't ever plan to live to that age so I guess I don't give a rats *** either way.

If were to eliminate everythign that is a burdern to others we would no longer be living in society.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-05 02:18:55  
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Here's the pie chart you guys are thinking of. This isn't the "national debt" but rather the federal budget. I.e. what the government's money is spent on every year. Keep in mind that until a few weeks ago, over $100B in additional military and intelligence spending was not published with the federal budget. They had a blank check and not even Congress knew how much they spent. Obama finally published the number for the first time in history a few weeks ago, but it's not included on the chart. The point to take away from this chart is thus: not even the Republicans and Tea Party are arguing we should cut Social Security, defense spending, war on terror spending, intelligence spending, or Medicare/Medicaid. It's not even in their platform, and we can't not pay debt interest. Together those things make up almost all of the federal budget. There just aren't any easy areas to cut. People say "cut foreign aid!" but the amount we contribute is so microscopic it doesn't even make it onto the graph. We have to cut waste and spending from every area, but no one has any ideas how to do so, because there are too many interested parties.
drop social security, be a 1/5 reduction off the bat.
Our economy would bottom out because seniors would stop spending money. If you don't spend money business can't make profit and thus expand. We're sorta damned if we do damned if we don't. You have to keep current programs in place but bring them within sustainable budget range.
Economy would do fine, just have to kill the old people(75+) and take their money and distribute equally among the 30 & younger, we'd be fine.
lol. We'll follow your lead >.>
what to do with the aging is a severe problem, and quite frankly I find that it's more of a problem than it's worth. You think of a better way and hell even more "humane" (subjective since making everyone else suffer due to some aging and often ailing old people isn't very humane) and I'll take note.
Raise the social security age and have people in the work force longer. Sixty is the new 50: people can still work.
Meh I find working for a living to be a crock anyway, which brings in another whole set of issues, but just on this why not just get rid of the old people? they aren't productive to society in the least, and it's not like they're going to reverse in age (babies aren't productive, but they will age to be).
Because I will be old someday
you have to die sometime, why be a burden to others? I don't ever plan to live to that age so I guess I don't give a rats *** either way.

If were to eliminate everythign that is a burdern to others we would no longer be living in society.
of course the level of the burden is a factor, this is a very large burden. However that depends on how you define society.
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I think there is also a level of due respect for anyone who comes before us. People of every generation have to face problems in order to advance the next. It is only fit that we bare their burdern after they have done so for us. The exception is the baby boomer generation. *** them.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-05 02:34:20  
Phoenix.Excelior said:
I think there is also a level of due respect for anyone who comes before us. People of every generation have to face problems in order to advance the next. It is only fit that we bare their burdern after they have done so for us. The exception is the baby boomer generation. *** them.

No, respect isn't given, it's earned and to be honest most old people suck, especially those "baby boomers" so yeah, screw old people.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-05 02:42:54  
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Phoenix.Excelior said:
I think there is also a level of due respect for anyone who comes before us. People of every generation have to face problems in order to advance the next. It is only fit that we bare their burdern after they have done so for us. The exception is the baby boomer generation. *** them.
No, respect isn't given, it's earned and to be honest most old people suck, especially those "baby boomers" so yeah, screw old people.

Respect isn't earned, it's a courtesy. You can respect somebody that you hate, you can respect somebody who is wrong.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-05 03:14:19  
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
I think there is also a level of due respect for anyone who comes before us. People of every generation have to face problems in order to advance the next. It is only fit that we bare their burdern after they have done so for us. The exception is the baby boomer generation. *** them.
No, respect isn't given, it's earned and to be honest most old people suck, especially those "baby boomers" so yeah, screw old people.

Respect isn't earned, it's a courtesy. You can respect somebody that you hate, you can respect somebody who is wrong.

Maybe in your world guy, but here in reality people don't just hand out respect, it's earned. Maybe not everyone rolls that way but an increasing number of people do.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-11-05 07:59:26  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
I think there is also a level of due respect for anyone who comes before us. People of every generation have to face problems in order to advance the next. It is only fit that we bare their burdern after they have done so for us. The exception is the baby boomer generation. *** them.
No, respect isn't given, it's earned and to be honest most old people suck, especially those "baby boomers" so yeah, screw old people.
Respect isn't earned, it's a courtesy. You can respect somebody that you hate, you can respect somebody who is wrong.
Maybe in your world guy, but here in reality people don't just hand out respect, it's earned. Maybe not everyone rolls that way but an increasing number of people do.

I'll agree that it's a courtesy. You can respect your father-in-law, doesn't mean you have to like him. He may not even do anything to earn your respect, but I'd say it's still important.

I like the concept of giri in Japan. I think a lot of concepts in Japan closely resemble the United States' "southern way" or "southern hospitality". Like keigo being important, saying your "yes sir"s and "yes ma'm"s. After befriending someone, you can start to let loose a little. There are so many similarities between traditional Japanese culture and American southern culture that it's kind of weird.

Are your elders worthy of respect? Maybe, maybe not. Should you do it anyway? Yes, why not? It's not like you lose anything by being respectful to someone.

The problem with both America and Japan right now is that there are a large number of people who expect traditional views, and there are a large number of people who think that those views are weird so they almost go out of their way to be *** in spite of tradition. Either group would look down on the other in an encounter.

"Who's this *** calling me 'sir' like it's the 1940's? Is he being sarcastic?"
"Why won't this kid respect his elders?"
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-05 08:31:24  
Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
I think there is also a level of due respect for anyone who comes before us. People of every generation have to face problems in order to advance the next. It is only fit that we bare their burdern after they have done so for us. The exception is the baby boomer generation. *** them.
No, respect isn't given, it's earned and to be honest most old people suck, especially those "baby boomers" so yeah, screw old people.
Respect isn't earned, it's a courtesy. You can respect somebody that you hate, you can respect somebody who is wrong.
Maybe in your world guy, but here in reality people don't just hand out respect, it's earned. Maybe not everyone rolls that way but an increasing number of people do.
I'll agree that it's a courtesy. You can respect your father-in-law, doesn't mean you have to like him. He may not even do anything to earn your respect, but I'd say it's still important. I like the concept of giri in Japan. I think a lot of concepts in Japan closely resemble the United States' "southern way" or "southern hospitality". Like keigo being important, saying your "yes sir"s and "yes ma'm"s. After befriending someone, you can start to let loose a little. There are so many similarities between traditional Japanese culture and American southern culture that it's kind of weird. Are your elders worthy of respect? Maybe, maybe not. Should you do it anyway? Yes, why not? It's not like you lose anything by being respectful to someone. The problem with both America and Japan right now is that there are a large number of people who expect traditional views, and there are a large number of people who think that those views are weird so they almost go out of their way to be *** in spite of tradition. Either group would look down on the other in an encounter. "Who's this *** calling me 'sir' like it's the 1940's? Is he being sarcastic?" "Why won't this kid respect his elders?"

I pretty much show it to everyone in real life regardless of if they return the courtesy. Women are usually the worst because if you ever try to be nice they'll snap at you. Then they wonder why their boyfriends don't respect them. I think it's a shame when people aren't friendly. Even the day to day transactions you do at a store become much less of a hassle when people act to you in a personable manner.
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By Vittles 2010-11-05 08:38:14  
Phoenix.Excelior said:
I think there is also a level of due respect for anyone who comes before us. People of every generation have to face problems in order to advance the next. It is only fit that we bare their burdern after they have done so for us. The exception is the baby boomer generation. *** them.

Don't just *** us baby boomers, we enjoy a good oral too dammit!
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