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Ok then u dont support the constitution at all because the constitution gives judges that right.

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straw man.

wtf is that?

Nope. I didn't say I object to judges ruling on the law and the constitutionality of things. It's the legal theory they use I don't care for.

your point was.
here's the wiki:
straw man

Which judges in particular?

I wasn't trying to debate his original position of church and state.

I was saying that you can't be for upholding the constitution while at the same time being against it.

still doesn't make your debate faux pas any better.
but now you know one more thing not to do which is never a bad thing.
in regards to this whole deal going in this thread now :/
eh..
i can see jaeriks logic as well as emo-one.
but i honestly can't decide which i would agree with more :/
guess i just don't have much vested in politics.
actually forget it.
i agree with j-man because of his last post because it's so easy to say you disagree with a group rather than individuals.

We obviously aren't following the same conversation. I'll explain it to you word for word 1 sec.

Some interesting data is to compare the results of various pollsters to that of the actual election, and see which polling firms are worth listening to in the future and which are not.

In this particular election cycle, it seems Rasmussen Reports performed the worst, while Quinnipiac and SurveyUSA performed the best.

You implied that emo-one doesn't support the constitution excel :/
and they refuted your claim.....IE you were putting words in somebodies mouth.
it is not good to do.
but keep in mind it was in reference to just that one post...hence the reply.
we on the same page now?

polls about which polls are best?

Emon- " I don't consider it a living document. If you want to change it, get an amendment. Otherwise it should be interpreted as written. Otherwise there is no constancy, all just changes as whims come up."

Ok I'll explain this as simply as possible.

Judical Review: Came from Maubury V. Madison This case said that any law that contradicts with the supremecy clause of the constitution must disagree with the constitution itself.

The supremacy clause was written into the constitution by the founding fathers, they understood that they wanted the values in the constitution to be the highest.

You are arguing that we should interpret it as written and thus you MUST agree with the supremacy clause because it is written.

If a law contradics the language of the constitution it is therefore impossible for it to be constitutional which is the purpose of judicial review.

When a law is written it is analyzed EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD compared to the language in the constitution.

Many times it comes down to where a comma is placed and where the conjunction "and" is placed.

If you disagree with the power of the courts to interpret the constitution then u disagree with what is written in the constitution.

If you disagree with what is written in the constitution in one instance but agree with it in another then the constitution isn't the common basis of your argument.

Therefore: You agree with the constitution when it is convienent for you.

No, mathematical analysis of which polls performed best by their ability to predict the actual results of various elections.

Seems Rasmussen was truly abyssmal this cycle, over-estimating Republican chances in every race by over 6 points, and in one case calling an election in favor of Republicans by 40 points higher than the actual result.

Just goes to show, even polling firms can be spectacularly biased these days, and one has to be careful which numbers one links to in order to back up a point. It's a shame, because Rasmussen has traditionally done slightly above average in the past.

If you want to see where I'm "coming" from, try reading "The Tempting of America, The Political Seduction of the Law" by Judge Robert Bork.

And just to clear up the name, it was an attempt at phonetically rendering M1A1. Ever since the game was described to me, I knew I wanted to be a tank!

Can't you just say where you are coming from rather than using someone elses words?

trying to derail

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Looking at those numbers. I dont know what to think anymore.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America

I guess the World Health Organization must be wrong because you say the US is #1. I'm guessing they didn't contact you when they conducted this extensive report.

There are many many variables to decide who has the best healthcare. If you're going for quality of doctors and equipment, I do believe the US is number 1, or close. If you're going for percentage of citizens covered, the WHO might be right.

Coming in late to this, but....
How exactly is the veteran's healthcare system run?

I hope that was sarcasm, because you seem to be forgetting....
The Saxon wars?
The crusades?
The Spanish Inquisition?
Try googling Olaf I/II sometime, regarding the treatment of pagans.

Hell, that's just talking about Christianity, let alone other religions. Monotheistic religions tend to not be tolerant of other religions, because by default it means that someone is wrong.

If one feels that their ethics are based on their religion, and want laws based on precepts in their religion, then one has no right to cast stones at others trying to do the exact same thing.

Here are some fun questions:
What is it worth to you, as an individual, to have a colleague stay at home if they have a contagious illness (ex. flu), rather than possibly transmitting it to you?
What is it worth to a business, to have an employee stay at home if they have a contagious illness, rather than transmitting it to others inside of an office?

Read before you respond please. None of those events took place in america, and thus we arent not victims. However, when a group of Muslims come to a country and set up an entire muslim town and attempt to bring muslim law to the area it becomes a "Cancer" and does not merge with the rest of that society. I believe that everyone has the right to practice their religion but in doing so they can not alter the very landscape of our towns/states.

Christians were not the first people to live in North America.
*Edit* Not that you can call Christians a people, but you get the point.
*Edit2* Also, Blue laws
*Edit3* Bolded section of Excelior's quote regarding Islam as the only religion that does not assimilate with others.

That survey was about 10 years ago. The WHO no longer does them and therefore our ranking is ambiguous.

Hmm, I had talks with my host dad(again, they're about 70ish years old, so this may not be the case for the younger generations) about my culture classes in Japan. Just trying to get a more personal feel for the things that we were being taught. We'd spend hours talking about these kinds of concepts.

I'll admit, at first he was shocked that we were learning about these kinds of things. Honestly, the face he gave me was kind of like his unique nature was being breached in some way. A lot of the other students who stayed with my host family were all gung-ho about Samurai swords and stupid anime ***, that he didn't expect me to be legitimately interested in the actual culture and how it has evolved. My attraction to Japan is more of interest in how it relates to southern American culture than that of "COOOL AWESOME SWORDS".

If a person of Asian descent told me that he noticed some of my actions resembled chivalry, I certainly wouldn't laugh in his face about it. I'd probably agree and say that that is the southern way. In fact, when presented with questions like that from my host family, I did just that. I'd say that it likely evolved in some way, shape, or form from whatever core value that our parents, grandparents(or further back) had. Considering all the ancestral teachings(and Shinto/Buddhism) that occur in Japan, I don't see why you think this is such a stretch. I dunno, maybe you only ever had interactions with younger people or only visited Tokyo instead of some of the other regions(hurray Kansai!).

I think it'd be kind of silly to say that something you do today wasn't influenced by the people before you. Even if it was a thousand years ago. Filial piety, on, giri; all of these ideals still existed in Japan when I visited. Sure, it's an evolving culture, as all cultures are, but it takes a shitload of effort to completely snuff out core social values. And with the way the language is structured and used, I don't envision things ever changing completely.

I think it's especially easy to quantify in Japan due to the near homogeneous society. In America, you have such a mix of cultures, values, and ideas that it's difficult at times to see where one stops and another begins. But for Japan, it is much more direct. Yes, there are different sub-cultures within a culture, but nothing to the extent of what you see in America where there is such diversity.

If you're anything like me, then maybe you're just trying to "protect me" from going to Japan and making an *** out of myself by asking all the people around me, "Where are all the ninjas and samurais?!? Oh! You just did that because of *thing I learned in society class*." Like hearing some kid re-hash anime quotes to Japanese people and expect them to know what the hell they're talking about and think that the Japanese will instantly love them for it. Nah, I'm more-so interested in the idea behind it all. Thinking to myself, "a large group of people are doing *this* for a reason, where did this originate from and why do they do it?" And fortunately I was close enough with my host-father to openly discuss these things.