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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-11-13 00:18:59  
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To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago.
What exactly do you abhor and find sinful that we've done? Oh and say why you think that.
Universal Health care Social Security Medicare Foreign Aid Playing world police Welfare Affirmative Action Federal Bailouts How long should I go on? People want to pay taxes and have access to these programs? Fine, let them sign up for them and pay those taxes. Like Jefferson said, don't take my money to pay for programs / activities that I don't believe in.

Jefferson isn't alive and didn't know ***about the world of 2010. Don't read into quotes.

1. There is no Universal Health Care. The goal of the public option was to bring down the rates of private insurance companies by creating artificial competition via the public program. It also made it so less money was spent on people who had no insurance. This means you're spending less money on people who don't deserve it.

2. Social Security was designed as an economic saftey net to prevent the economy from bottoming out. You see without SSI people who retire would STOP SPENDING MONEY and hoard. When you stop spending money you hurt the economy. Social Security provides a way for people to retire but still stimulate the economy. Guess what pays for the federal budget? Taxes on the economy.

3. Medicare is another example of spending policies designed to avoid stagnating the economy.

4. Foreign Aid? Like what? The .0000001% of our budget that we donated to Haiti? Are you *** serious? We got that money back in national security. Donating money and sending aid made us look good in the international community and bollasters our support from other states.

5. World Police? /facedesk. We engage in combat with other countries only when it is in our vital interest. If you don't think the war in the middle east is in our interest you're really blind. Hello oil? We can not afford to allow that region to fully destablize. It would *** our economy.

6. Welfare. I agree with this one to an extent. However, wellfare is largely a state by state issue these days, and generally they require you to work a job. I know you'd rather let people go poor but if you sat down and thought about how the economy works then you'd realize that the money spent into limited wellfare programs stop people from doing devasting things like defaulting on loans and screwing people over.

7. Affirmative Action: There is no statistic proof that Affirmative Action in any way, shape, form, or abstract imagination harms a white man. You act as if there are limited jobs and colleges in the country. Really? REALLY!? What makes you think you're anymore entitled to a job than an equally qualified black man? What makes you think that you're even equally qualified? If a black man has a 4.0 GPA and a college degree and he grew up in downtown Brooklyn then he has COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY OUT PERFORMED ANY WHITE SUBURBAN KID. Accomplishments are defined by the obstacles you overcome not by the things you do.

8. Federal Bailouts. Ok so wallstreet pays for about 95% of our taxes, and employs about 50% of the people who work in America I think bailouts are fine. Furthermore we have already recovered money from AIG and several of the other industries. Projections show that we will not only make all our money back but we will make substantial profit.

My suggestion to you:

If you completely hate every aspect of society and want every man to live according to your means then go join a society that does that. Oh, that's right that's an Amish town. America is no longer an agarian nation where people can say, "Oh *** I'll just make it myself". The computer you're typing on right now is a product of society. The job you work to pay for that computper is a product of society. You sure as hell don't see smart enough to invent a computer or start a company. QQ more.

Wow something from Excelior that I'm impressed with, anything can happen.
Almost lol.
#5 #7 and especially #8 are out there.

#5 isn't too bad, should look like:
5. World Police? /facedesk. We engage in combat with other countries only when it is in our vital interest. If you don't think the war in the middle east is in our interest you're really blind. Hello oil? We can not afford to allow that region to fully destablize. It would *** our economy.

#7 Affirmative action should be eliminated. No need for it.

#8 No bailouts. They are not fine.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-13 00:19:08  
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Saiii said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
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To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago.
so the Boy Scouts(a Mormon Organization) getting funds from the US government and other benefits is sinful and tyrannical.
They boy scouts getting money from people that don't want to fund them is tyrannical. Just because you want to try and point out some sort of "feel good" application of taxes doesn't change the root of the problem.
It's the price you pay for society guy, if you don't like society, don't live in it.
By getting up everyday and going to work, and doing my job, and spending my money on goods and services I need is the price I pay for society. A tyrannical government that takes from the people to fund whatever they feel like funding is not the price of society.
Taxes are the price you pay for society, not what you do to make a living. I'm sorry that you're this delusional, maybe you need to seek medical help for your brain, because you obviously need it.
I'm fine with paying taxes for the things that I believe in. National Defense, Police, Fire, Hospitals, Infrastructure, etc. Using my taxes to fund things that I don't believe in is not my price to society. Also, stating I am in need of medical attention because my ideals are different from yours? What kind of backwards *** draconian thinking is that? "Oh no, someone thinks differently than I do, there must be something wrong with him." Seems like you are the one that needs to catch up with the times.
Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think.

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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 00:20:41  
Leviathan.Chaosx said:
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Phoenix.Excelior said:
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To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago.
What exactly do you abhor and find sinful that we've done? Oh and say why you think that.
Universal Health care Social Security Medicare Foreign Aid Playing world police Welfare Affirmative Action Federal Bailouts How long should I go on? People want to pay taxes and have access to these programs? Fine, let them sign up for them and pay those taxes. Like Jefferson said, don't take my money to pay for programs / activities that I don't believe in.

Jefferson isn't alive and didn't know ***about the world of 2010. Don't read into quotes.

1. There is no Universal Health Care. The goal of the public option was to bring down the rates of private insurance companies by creating artificial competition via the public program. It also made it so less money was spent on people who had no insurance. This means you're spending less money on people who don't deserve it.

2. Social Security was designed as an economic saftey net to prevent the economy from bottoming out. You see without SSI people who retire would STOP SPENDING MONEY and hoard. When you stop spending money you hurt the economy. Social Security provides a way for people to retire but still stimulate the economy. Guess what pays for the federal budget? Taxes on the economy.

3. Medicare is another example of spending policies designed to avoid stagnating the economy.

4. Foreign Aid? Like what? The .0000001% of our budget that we donated to Haiti? Are you *** serious? We got that money back in national security. Donating money and sending aid made us look good in the international community and bollasters our support from other states.

5. World Police? /facedesk. We engage in combat with other countries only when it is in our vital interest. If you don't think the war in the middle east is in our interest you're really blind. Hello oil? We can not afford to allow that region to fully destablize. It would *** our economy.

6. Welfare. I agree with this one to an extent. However, wellfare is largely a state by state issue these days, and generally they require you to work a job. I know you'd rather let people go poor but if you sat down and thought about how the economy works then you'd realize that the money spent into limited wellfare programs stop people from doing devasting things like defaulting on loans and screwing people over.

7. Affirmative Action: There is no statistic proof that Affirmative Action in any way, shape, form, or abstract imagination harms a white man. You act as if there are limited jobs and colleges in the country. Really? REALLY!? What makes you think you're anymore entitled to a job than an equally qualified black man? What makes you think that you're even equally qualified? If a black man has a 4.0 GPA and a college degree and he grew up in downtown Brooklyn then he has COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY OUT PERFORMED ANY WHITE SUBURBAN KID. Accomplishments are defined by the obstacles you overcome not by the things you do.

8. Federal Bailouts. Ok so wallstreet pays for about 95% of our taxes, and employs about 50% of the people who work in America I think bailouts are fine. Furthermore we have already recovered money from AIG and several of the other industries. Projections show that we will not only make all our money back but we will make substantial profit.

My suggestion to you:

If you completely hate every aspect of society and want every man to live according to your means then go join a society that does that. Oh, that's right that's an Amish town. America is no longer an agarian nation where people can say, "Oh *** I'll just make it myself". The computer you're typing on right now is a product of society. The job you work to pay for that computper is a product of society. You sure as hell don't see smart enough to invent a computer or start a company. QQ more.

Wow something from Excelior that I'm impressed with, anything can happen.
Almost lol.
#5 #7 and especially #8 are out there.

#5 isn't too bad, should look like:
5. World Police? /facedesk. We engage in combat with other countries only when it is in our vital interest. If you don't think the war in the middle east is in our interest you're really blind. Hello oil? We can not afford to allow that region to fully destablize. It would *** our economy.

#7 Affirmative action should be eliminated. No need for it.

#8 No bailouts. They are not fine.

I haven't done enough research into the bailouts, but bailing out companies to prevent them from going under and losing more jobs just sounds like a decent idea, the implementation of it however can be severely ***, dunno the details of it, nor do I care to. It's done, and over with.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-13 00:20:47  
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Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think.
Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology.

TIME OUT! STOP!

Ok who's on what team now? I am *** confused.

Am I supposed to still be hating Spicy and Jet? Do you two still hate each other?
 
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 00:21:40  
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Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think.

Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology.

considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-13 00:22:51  
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Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think.
Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology.
considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality.

Reality is completely subjective. From my perspective the world consists of rainbows and fairy dust.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 00:22:59  
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Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think.
Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology.

TIME OUT! STOP!

Ok who's on what team now? I am *** confused.

Am I supposed to still be hating Spicy and Jet? Do you two still hate each other?

There's nobody I hate, takes too much effort.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-11-13 00:23:11  
Reality is subjective, not objective.

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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 00:23:18  
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Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think.
Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology.
considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality.

Reality is completely subjective. From my perspective the world consists of rainbows and fairy dust.

Meh, fair enough I guess.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-11-13 00:23:20  
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Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think.

You do indirectly, when you vote someone into office. If a candidate campaigns that he'll cut useless programs(usually out of the desires of the public) and downsize the overhead of government and you vote him into office based on that, you should expect that those programs would be cut. You indirectly decide where your money goes based on the candidate's promises.
 
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 00:24:27  
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Reality is subjective, not objective.


well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds.
 
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-13 00:25:18  
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Reality is subjective, not objective.
well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds.

So you concur that God MAY exist?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 00:25:39  
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Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think.

Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology.

considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality.

Well he seemed to work hard and achieve a standard of living. Seems like he is in touch enough with reality to do that. If that was the case everyone who believed in jesus *** christ or the (insert holy text here) would need medical attention.

Stupid ideas do not mean the person is some lunatic in need of asylum you ***.

Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 00:26:45  
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Reality is subjective, not objective.
well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds.

So you concur that God MAY exist?

A god, yes, the christian god, no. However the need for one is non-existent.

Just as much as the boogey man may exist, but there's no need for one.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-11-13 00:26:46  
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Reality is subjective, not objective.


well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds.
Now you're heading into quantum physics talk, lol!
 
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-11-13 00:27:47  
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Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think.

You do indirectly, when you vote someone into office. If a candidate campaigns that he'll cut useless programs(usually out of the desires of the public) and downsize the overhead of government and you vote him into office based on that, you should expect that those programs would be cut. You indirectly decide where your money goes based on the candidate's promises.

Oh please, that means trusting the integrity of a politician in a higher office. You tell me the track record for success on that one.

Promises mean about as much as Stanflame's claim of playing with Bill Gates.
He did though, he said so himself. Why would he lie?
 
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-11-13 00:28:39  
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Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think.

You do indirectly, when you vote someone into office. If a candidate campaigns that he'll cut useless programs(usually out of the desires of the public) and downsize the overhead of government and you vote him into office based on that, you should expect that those programs would be cut. You indirectly decide where your money goes based on the candidate's promises.

Oh please, that means trusting the integrity of a politician in a higher office. You tell me the track record for success on that one.

Promises mean about as much as Stanflame's claim of playing with Bill Gates.

haha, yeah. +1 to that. It would be nice, but that's the general idea. If you can't trust either Republican or Democrat(which is the case today, then we really need to focus on another party. In the very least to show those two parties that we actually do want a change and that they're not guaranteed a spot in the government simply by running on one of those platforms.
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Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention.

That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too.

Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Leviathan.Chaosx said:
Reality is subjective, not objective.
well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds.

So you concur that God MAY exist?

Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world.


Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way?
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If there is ever a brutal dictatorship in America you should really submitt your resume jet. I think you could top Hitler or Stalin.
 
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Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention.
That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too.
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Leviathan.Chaosx said:
Reality is subjective, not objective.
well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds.
So you concur that God MAY exist?
Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world.
Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way?

What you consider acceptable is completely subjective.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 00:30:53  
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Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think.

You do indirectly, when you vote someone into office. If a candidate campaigns that he'll cut useless programs(usually out of the desires of the public) and downsize the overhead of government and you vote him into office based on that, you should expect that those programs would be cut. You indirectly decide where your money goes based on the candidate's promises.

Oh please, that means trusting the integrity of a politician in a higher office. You tell me the track record for success on that one.

Promises mean about as much as Stanflame's claim of playing with Bill Gates.

haha, yeah. +1 to that. It would be nice, but that's the general idea. If you can't trust either Republican or Democrat(which is the case today, then we really need to focus on another party. In the very to least to show those two parties that we actually do want a change and that they're not guaranteed a spot in the government simply by running on one of those platforms.

nobody in either party is willing to cut any of the major programs, and most people are fine with the existence of the majority of the social programs, just they wish they'd have better regulations. They just blow things and nothing really gets done, however regulation of said programs is what should be done, but due to (well just about everything) it's not getting done, so we're pretty much ***.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-13 00:31:05  
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If there is ever a brutal dictatorship in America you should really submitt your resume jet. I think you could top Hitler or Stalin.
You could top Bush and that might just be worse.

Dude. I was watching a video of Kanye West and Bush last night, was the greatest ***ever. I know it's off topic.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 00:32:16  
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention.
That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too.
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Leviathan.Chaosx said:
Reality is subjective, not objective.
well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds.
So you concur that God MAY exist?
Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world.
Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way?

What you consider acceptable is completely subjective.

Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way?
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