White House Gives In On Bush-Era Tax Cuts

If there is ever a brutal dictatorship in America you should really submitt your resume jet. I think you could top Hitler or Stalin.

Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way?

Now you're heading into quantum physics talk, lol!

The best way I can explain it is to say that the greatest thinkers in all society have understood that we know relatively little. Our understanding evolves and try to tackle problems from as many angles as possible. At one point in history religion was the primary tool for scientific inquiry. Obviously this has changed but some people hang onto the old traditions. The important thing is that people maintain an open minded view to learning and constantly try to aquire more. I see no issue with believing in religion so long as you don't let it shut your mind. Unfortunately that happens to many people. I also think religion stablizes people. The weak minded people who would otherwise rebel against society and laws are kept in check by religion.

Jefferson isn't alive and didn't know ***about the world of 2010. Don't read into quotes.

People are the same now as they always have been, those in power become corrupt > they oppress those not in power > the oppressed overthrow those in power > the oppressed are now in power > repeat.
This isn't likely to change anytime soon.

1. There is no Universal Health Care. The goal of the public option was to bring down the rates of private insurance companies by creating artificial competition via the public program. It also made it so less money was spent on people who had no insurance. This means you're spending less money on people who don't deserve it.

A. Mandating people carry insurance or face a penalty is a problem.
B. Exactly how many people's rates have gone done as a result of this so far?

2. Social Security was designed as an economic saftey net to prevent the economy from bottoming out. You see without SSI people who retire would STOP SPENDING MONEY and hoard. When you stop spending money you hurt the economy. Social Security provides a way for people to retire but still stimulate the economy. Guess what pays for the federal budget? Taxes on the economy.

That's great for SSI, but the problem is, we are severely in debt and it is one of the top reasons for that. Also, SSI has no chance to continue to exist in its current form

3. Medicare is another example of spending policies designed to avoid stagnating the economy.

Awesome, but Medicare is an inefficient bloated mess and is plagued with rampant fraud. Just the place I want my money going.

4. Foreign Aid? Like what? The .0000001% of our budget that we donated to Haiti? Are you *** serious? We got that money back in national security. Donating money and sending aid made us look good in the international community and bollasters our support from other states.

The point here is not what % of the deficit each of these points accounts for, but what I would not want my taxes going towards. It's going to take a lot more than Haiti to make us look good in the international community.

5. World Police? /facedesk. We engage in combat with other countries only when it is in our vital interest. If you don't think the war in the middle east is in our interest you're really blind. Hello oil? We can not afford to allow that region to fully destablize. It would *** our economy.

Cause Iraq is the only place we currently have soldiers in active situations right?

6. Welfare. I agree with this one to an extent. However, wellfare is largely a state by state issue these days, and generally they require you to work a job. I know you'd rather let people go poor but if you sat down and thought about how the economy works then you'd realize that the money spent into limited wellfare programs stop people from doing devasting things like defaulting on loans and screwing people over.

Welfare just like most government programs is grossly inefficient and full of leeches. Just because programs were designed to do one thing doesn't mean they are very effective in fulfilling that purpose.

7. Affirmative Action: There is no statistic proof that Affirmative Action in any way, shape, form, or abstract imagination harms a white man. You act as if there are limited jobs and colleges in the country. Really? REALLY!? What makes you think you're anymore entitled to a job than an equally qualified black man? What makes you think that you're even equally qualified? If a black man has a 4.0 GPA and a college degree and he grew up in downtown Brooklyn then he has COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY OUT PERFORMED ANY WHITE SUBURBAN KID. Accomplishments are defined by the obstacles you overcome not by the things you do.

Again, that's a great little story you wrote there, but it doesn't change the fact that it's something I don't want any of my taxes funding.

8. Federal Bailouts. Ok so wallstreet pays for about 95% of our taxes, and employs about 50% of the people who work in America I think bailouts are fine. Furthermore we have already recovered money from AIG and several of the other industries. Projections show that we will not only make all our money back but we will make substantial profit.

My suggestion to you:

If you completely hate every aspect of society and want every man to live according to your means then go join a society that does that. Oh, that's right that's an Amish town. America is no longer an agarian nation where people can say, "Oh *** I'll just make it myself". The computer you're typing on right now is a product of society. The job you work to pay for that computer is a product of society. You sure as hell don't see smart enough to invent a computer or start a company. QQ more.

Humanity fears the unknown Jet. So an answer needs to be found so we can sleep at night then revise it later. I am not saying I agree with such methods either.

Nothing in this world means anything anymore when you decided you are in the right to force your will on another in such a way that it takes their freedom from them simply because they think differently than you. Please separate the average person from someone with actual mental problems too please when I say that.

Can religious people be a threat to everyone? Yes, especially fanaticism as we all know, but everyone has the right to believe anything they want. Saying there is a giant flying spaghetti monster in the sky does not mean you should have some drugs shoved down your throat or be injected with anything.

Does organized religion retard the progress of humanity? Yes, I am sure you and me agree that it does. However, there is a very fine line to walk Jet and such people have a right to ideas no matter what they are. When they are speaking of them in a way that they are going to carry them out then they are a danger to themselves and others. It is more of a case by case basis as times, and blanket statements are hard as well.

I do not see how religions are still a tool needed by society to keep those in check, and in fact it may be hindering the evolution of society in itself, because without it they would be forced to move on, but that's just my rambling about it.

I don't recall telling anyone to go and build their own house or invent a computer etc. In fact your entire final paragraph is utter ***. I've stated some things I dislike about our current society and would rather my money not be used to fund them. For you to then take that and say I "completely hate every aspect of society" is foolish at best. QQ more that I don't want to support shitty government programs that either do jack ***already or will eventually drag us down even further than we already are.

I'm not certain that eliminating religion will protect people. I really don't know what would happen with morals. I know everyone claims that morals werent created by religion but for a large number of people they are still the same thing. I feel more confident that most people are afraid to commit murder because of hell than I do because they might get caught.

It is a right because you can not force people to think a certain way. They either agree to it or not.

Large problem to tackle? What you are saying is equally insane to "the other side" do you not see that? You see someone as crazy and they see you as crazy, so what the *** do you do when both of you can not be 100% correct? It is a subjective topic and there is nothing to be "fixed".

Yeah, we found out lightning was not from Thor and people changed their minds in time. The christians tried making the pagans believe that lightning came from "god the almighty" and not Thor and you see how well that worked right Jet? What you are condoning to me is a modern day mass mission of conversion.

people shouldn't be allowed to think insanity, regardless of their level of danger, if you disagree, meh then we disagree.

not just religion but the entire mindset that creates it, jumping to illogical conclusions and ignoring the possibility of logic, granted logically you can't rule out some unknown presence, but there's no need to jump to such a conclusion first. people feared lightning, we now know what causes it, you get the idea, why do we continue to allow this behavior, is it that most people can't handle logical thinking? It's a problem that needs to be addressed before society can evolve past what it is now. Also to the fascism/freedom thing, to be honest there needs to be a good balance for society to continue, just with everything, balance.

No wonder we disagree so much, you are actually in support of actual tyrannical rule.

Well logic is an interesting subject. It only works on undisputable facts. I do a lot of philosophy readings. Let me give you a really basic example of how it is subjective.


All cats are animals.

When we look at that statement presented as a fact we can only conclude ONE thing:

1. Anything that is not an animal is not a cat.

Now. If we assume that the world does have cats, and they do actually exist then we can assume this as well:

2. Some animals are cats.

Basically the point is that before you can even proceed in the logical process you have to have an undisputable fact and evidence. We have some in terms of physics but of the nature of the universe beyond our immeadiate area we don't have quite as much. There is still the open possibility that we could be wrong and thus it can not be a fact.

It be an impossible task even if it was correct (which it is not). You can not tell people what to think on subjective issues Jet. Get that through your head please, you are not some omniscient deity.

So instead of jumping to illogical conclusions to get an answer right away we wait for a logical answer.

Read your *** PMs jet.