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 Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 01:04:07
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago. so the Boy Scouts(a Mormon Organization) getting funds from the US government and other benefits is sinful and tyrannical. They boy scouts getting money from people that don't want to fund them is tyrannical. Just because you want to try and point out some sort of "feel good" application of taxes doesn't change the root of the problem. It's the price you pay for society guy, if you don't like society, don't live in it. By getting up everyday and going to work, and doing my job, and spending my money on goods and services I need is the price I pay for society. A tyrannical government that takes from the people to fund whatever they feel like funding is not the price of society. Taxes are the price you pay for society, not what you do to make a living. I'm sorry that you're this delusional, maybe you need to seek medical help for your brain, because you obviously need it. I'm fine with paying taxes for the things that I believe in. National Defense, Police, Fire, Hospitals, Infrastructure, etc. Using my taxes to fund things that I don't believe in is not my price to society. Also, stating I am in need of medical attention because my ideals are different from yours? What kind of backwards *** draconian thinking is that? "Oh no, someone thinks differently than I do, there must be something wrong with him." Seems like you are the one that needs to catch up with the times. Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think. Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology. considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality. Well he seemed to work hard and achieve a standard of living. Seems like he is in touch enough with reality to do that. If that was the case everyone who believed in jesus *** christ or the (insert holy text here) would need medical attention. Stupid ideas do not mean the person is some lunatic in need of asylum you ***. Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention. That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too. Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Reality is subjective, not objective. well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds. So you concur that God MAY exist? Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world. Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way? What you consider acceptable is completely subjective. Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way? The best way I can explain it is to say that the greatest thinkers in all society have understood that we know relatively little. Our understanding evolves and try to tackle problems from as many angles as possible. At one point in history religion was the primary tool for scientific inquiry. Obviously this has changed but some people hang onto the old traditions. The important thing is that people maintain an open minded view to learning and constantly try to aquire more. I see no issue with believing in religion so long as you don't let it shut your mind. Unfortunately that happens to many people. I also think religion stablizes people. The weak minded people who would otherwise rebel against society and laws are kept in check by religion. I do not see how religions are still a tool needed by society to keep those in check, and in fact it may be hindering the evolution of society in itself, because without it they would be forced to move on, but that's just my rambling about it.
I'm not certain that eliminating religion will protect people. I really don't know what would happen with morals. I know everyone claims that morals werent created by religion but for a large number of people they are still the same thing. I feel more confident that most people are afraid to commit murder because of hell than I do because they might get caught.
not just religion but the entire mindset that creates it, jumping to illogical conclusions and ignoring the possibility of logic, granted logically you can't rule out some unknown presence, but there's no need to jump to such a conclusion first.
people feared lightning, we now know what causes it, you get the idea, why do we continue to allow this behavior, is it that most people can't handle logical thinking? It's a problem that needs to be addressed before society can evolve past what it is now.
Also to the fascism/freedom thing, to be honest there needs to be a good balance for society to continue, just with everything, balance.
Yeah, we found out lightning was not from Thor and people changed their minds in time. The christians tried making the pagans believe that lightning came from "god the almighty" and not Thor and you see how well that worked right Jet? What you are condoning to me is a modern day mass mission of conversion.
deconversion is closer to what I have in mind. But the entire mindset that it's OK to jump to radical conclusions (at the start).
It be an impossible task even if it was correct (which it is not). You can not tell people what to think on subjective issues Jet. Get that through your head please, you are not some omniscient deity.
I'm sorry but sanity isn't subjective, so you can tell people it's not ok to be insane. If you disagree you disagree, and quite frankly I don't care for your approval.
Never claimed I was or wasn't.
This is not about sanity it is about what people think that is making you say they are insane. Believing in some religion does not make anyone insane it just makes them ignorant.
My approval is a moot point. What have I ever said on here that makes anyone think I give two shits about approval?
When somebody immediately jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it, it's quite insane. There are some that are religious that are bat ***crazy, and some that are just ignorant, and then there are those that are just pretending for whatever reason it may be, my point goes beyond religion though, the mindset that causes religion.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-13 01:05:41
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago. so the Boy Scouts(a Mormon Organization) getting funds from the US government and other benefits is sinful and tyrannical. They boy scouts getting money from people that don't want to fund them is tyrannical. Just because you want to try and point out some sort of "feel good" application of taxes doesn't change the root of the problem. It's the price you pay for society guy, if you don't like society, don't live in it. By getting up everyday and going to work, and doing my job, and spending my money on goods and services I need is the price I pay for society. A tyrannical government that takes from the people to fund whatever they feel like funding is not the price of society. Taxes are the price you pay for society, not what you do to make a living. I'm sorry that you're this delusional, maybe you need to seek medical help for your brain, because you obviously need it. I'm fine with paying taxes for the things that I believe in. National Defense, Police, Fire, Hospitals, Infrastructure, etc. Using my taxes to fund things that I don't believe in is not my price to society. Also, stating I am in need of medical attention because my ideals are different from yours? What kind of backwards *** draconian thinking is that? "Oh no, someone thinks differently than I do, there must be something wrong with him." Seems like you are the one that needs to catch up with the times. Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think. Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology. considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality. Well he seemed to work hard and achieve a standard of living. Seems like he is in touch enough with reality to do that. If that was the case everyone who believed in jesus *** christ or the (insert holy text here) would need medical attention. Stupid ideas do not mean the person is some lunatic in need of asylum you ***. Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention. That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too. Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Reality is subjective, not objective. well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds. So you concur that God MAY exist? Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world. Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way? What you consider acceptable is completely subjective. Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way? The best way I can explain it is to say that the greatest thinkers in all society have understood that we know relatively little. Our understanding evolves and try to tackle problems from as many angles as possible. At one point in history religion was the primary tool for scientific inquiry. Obviously this has changed but some people hang onto the old traditions. The important thing is that people maintain an open minded view to learning and constantly try to aquire more. I see no issue with believing in religion so long as you don't let it shut your mind. Unfortunately that happens to many people. I also think religion stablizes people. The weak minded people who would otherwise rebel against society and laws are kept in check by religion. I do not see how religions are still a tool needed by society to keep those in check, and in fact it may be hindering the evolution of society in itself, because without it they would be forced to move on, but that's just my rambling about it. I'm not certain that eliminating religion will protect people. I really don't know what would happen with morals. I know everyone claims that morals werent created by religion but for a large number of people they are still the same thing. I feel more confident that most people are afraid to commit murder because of hell than I do because they might get caught. not just religion but the entire mindset that creates it, jumping to illogical conclusions and ignoring the possibility of logic, granted logically you can't rule out some unknown presence, but there's no need to jump to such a conclusion first. people feared lightning, we now know what causes it, you get the idea, why do we continue to allow this behavior, is it that most people can't handle logical thinking? It's a problem that needs to be addressed before society can evolve past what it is now. Also to the fascism/freedom thing, to be honest there needs to be a good balance for society to continue, just with everything, balance. Yeah, we found out lightning was not from Thor and people changed their minds in time. The christians tried making the pagans believe that lightning came from "god the almighty" and not Thor and you see how well that worked right Jet? What you are condoning to me is a modern day mass mission of conversion. deconversion is closer to what I have in mind. But the entire mindset that it's OK to jump to radical conclusions (at the start). It be an impossible task even if it was correct (which it is not). You can not tell people what to think on subjective issues Jet. Get that through your head please, you are not some omniscient deity. I'm sorry but sanity isn't subjective, so you can tell people it's not ok to be insane. If you disagree you disagree, and quite frankly I don't care for your approval. Never claimed I was or wasn't. This is not about sanity it is about what people think that is making you say they are insane. Believing in some religion does not make anyone insane it just makes them ignorant. My approval is a moot point. What have I ever said on here that makes anyone think I give two shits about approval?
Sanity is a creation of man's reality. There are no insane animals. What you perceive as sane or insane is not "true". Technically insanity and sanity do not even exist independent of the concepts we have applied to those terms. And then even those concepts are also artificially created. Life is just like FFXI: ***is situational (subjective)
By Saiii 2010-11-13 01:07:47
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago. so the Boy Scouts(a Mormon Organization) getting funds from the US government and other benefits is sinful and tyrannical. They boy scouts getting money from people that don't want to fund them is tyrannical. Just because you want to try and point out some sort of "feel good" application of taxes doesn't change the root of the problem. It's the price you pay for society guy, if you don't like society, don't live in it. By getting up everyday and going to work, and doing my job, and spending my money on goods and services I need is the price I pay for society. A tyrannical government that takes from the people to fund whatever they feel like funding is not the price of society. Taxes are the price you pay for society, not what you do to make a living. I'm sorry that you're this delusional, maybe you need to seek medical help for your brain, because you obviously need it. I'm fine with paying taxes for the things that I believe in. National Defense, Police, Fire, Hospitals, Infrastructure, etc. Using my taxes to fund things that I don't believe in is not my price to society. Also, stating I am in need of medical attention because my ideals are different from yours? What kind of backwards *** draconian thinking is that? "Oh no, someone thinks differently than I do, there must be something wrong with him." Seems like you are the one that needs to catch up with the times. Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think. Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology. considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality. Well he seemed to work hard and achieve a standard of living. Seems like he is in touch enough with reality to do that. If that was the case everyone who believed in jesus *** christ or the (insert holy text here) would need medical attention. Stupid ideas do not mean the person is some lunatic in need of asylum you ***. Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention. That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too. Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Reality is subjective, not objective. well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds. So you concur that God MAY exist? Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world. Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way? What you consider acceptable is completely subjective. Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way? The best way I can explain it is to say that the greatest thinkers in all society have understood that we know relatively little. Our understanding evolves and try to tackle problems from as many angles as possible. At one point in history religion was the primary tool for scientific inquiry. Obviously this has changed but some people hang onto the old traditions. The important thing is that people maintain an open minded view to learning and constantly try to aquire more. I see no issue with believing in religion so long as you don't let it shut your mind. Unfortunately that happens to many people. I also think religion stablizes people. The weak minded people who would otherwise rebel against society and laws are kept in check by religion. I do not see how religions are still a tool needed by society to keep those in check, and in fact it may be hindering the evolution of society in itself, because without it they would be forced to move on, but that's just my rambling about it.
I'm not certain that eliminating religion will protect people. I really don't know what would happen with morals. I know everyone claims that morals werent created by religion but for a large number of people they are still the same thing. I feel more confident that most people are afraid to commit murder because of hell than I do because they might get caught.
not just religion but the entire mindset that creates it, jumping to illogical conclusions and ignoring the possibility of logic, granted logically you can't rule out some unknown presence, but there's no need to jump to such a conclusion first.
people feared lightning, we now know what causes it, you get the idea, why do we continue to allow this behavior, is it that most people can't handle logical thinking? It's a problem that needs to be addressed before society can evolve past what it is now.
Also to the fascism/freedom thing, to be honest there needs to be a good balance for society to continue, just with everything, balance.
Yeah, we found out lightning was not from Thor and people changed their minds in time. The christians tried making the pagans believe that lightning came from "god the almighty" and not Thor and you see how well that worked right Jet? What you are condoning to me is a modern day mass mission of conversion.
deconversion is closer to what I have in mind. But the entire mindset that it's OK to jump to radical conclusions (at the start).
It be an impossible task even if it was correct (which it is not). You can not tell people what to think on subjective issues Jet. Get that through your head please, you are not some omniscient deity.
I'm sorry but sanity isn't subjective, so you can tell people it's not ok to be insane. If you disagree you disagree, and quite frankly I don't care for your approval.
Never claimed I was or wasn't.
This is not about sanity it is about what people think that is making you say they are insane. Believing in some religion does not make anyone insane it just makes them ignorant.
My approval is a moot point. What have I ever said on here that makes anyone think I give two shits about approval?
When somebody immediately jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it, it's quite insane. There are some that are religious that are bat ***crazy, and some that are just ignorant, and then there are those that are just pretending for whatever reason it may be, my point goes beyond religion though, the mindset that causes religion.
Just sitting back lol'ing at the fact that this is the same person that said I need medical attention for my beliefs.
And this guy wants to go all thought police on everyone.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-13 01:08:47
Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago. so the Boy Scouts(a Mormon Organization) getting funds from the US government and other benefits is sinful and tyrannical. They boy scouts getting money from people that don't want to fund them is tyrannical. Just because you want to try and point out some sort of "feel good" application of taxes doesn't change the root of the problem. It's the price you pay for society guy, if you don't like society, don't live in it. By getting up everyday and going to work, and doing my job, and spending my money on goods and services I need is the price I pay for society. A tyrannical government that takes from the people to fund whatever they feel like funding is not the price of society. Taxes are the price you pay for society, not what you do to make a living. I'm sorry that you're this delusional, maybe you need to seek medical help for your brain, because you obviously need it. I'm fine with paying taxes for the things that I believe in. National Defense, Police, Fire, Hospitals, Infrastructure, etc. Using my taxes to fund things that I don't believe in is not my price to society. Also, stating I am in need of medical attention because my ideals are different from yours? What kind of backwards *** draconian thinking is that? "Oh no, someone thinks differently than I do, there must be something wrong with him." Seems like you are the one that needs to catch up with the times. Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think. Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology. considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality. Well he seemed to work hard and achieve a standard of living. Seems like he is in touch enough with reality to do that. If that was the case everyone who believed in jesus *** christ or the (insert holy text here) would need medical attention. Stupid ideas do not mean the person is some lunatic in need of asylum you ***. Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention. That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too. Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Reality is subjective, not objective. well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds. So you concur that God MAY exist? Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world. Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way? What you consider acceptable is completely subjective. Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way? The best way I can explain it is to say that the greatest thinkers in all society have understood that we know relatively little. Our understanding evolves and try to tackle problems from as many angles as possible. At one point in history religion was the primary tool for scientific inquiry. Obviously this has changed but some people hang onto the old traditions. The important thing is that people maintain an open minded view to learning and constantly try to aquire more. I see no issue with believing in religion so long as you don't let it shut your mind. Unfortunately that happens to many people. I also think religion stablizes people. The weak minded people who would otherwise rebel against society and laws are kept in check by religion. I do not see how religions are still a tool needed by society to keep those in check, and in fact it may be hindering the evolution of society in itself, because without it they would be forced to move on, but that's just my rambling about it. I'm not certain that eliminating religion will protect people. I really don't know what would happen with morals. I know everyone claims that morals werent created by religion but for a large number of people they are still the same thing. I feel more confident that most people are afraid to commit murder because of hell than I do because they might get caught. not just religion but the entire mindset that creates it, jumping to illogical conclusions and ignoring the possibility of logic, granted logically you can't rule out some unknown presence, but there's no need to jump to such a conclusion first. people feared lightning, we now know what causes it, you get the idea, why do we continue to allow this behavior, is it that most people can't handle logical thinking? It's a problem that needs to be addressed before society can evolve past what it is now. Also to the fascism/freedom thing, to be honest there needs to be a good balance for society to continue, just with everything, balance. Yeah, we found out lightning was not from Thor and people changed their minds in time. The christians tried making the pagans believe that lightning came from "god the almighty" and not Thor and you see how well that worked right Jet? What you are condoning to me is a modern day mass mission of conversion. deconversion is closer to what I have in mind. But the entire mindset that it's OK to jump to radical conclusions (at the start). It be an impossible task even if it was correct (which it is not). You can not tell people what to think on subjective issues Jet. Get that through your head please, you are not some omniscient deity. I'm sorry but sanity isn't subjective, so you can tell people it's not ok to be insane. If you disagree you disagree, and quite frankly I don't care for your approval. Never claimed I was or wasn't. This is not about sanity it is about what people think that is making you say they are insane. Believing in some religion does not make anyone insane it just makes them ignorant. My approval is a moot point. What have I ever said on here that makes anyone think I give two shits about approval? When somebody immediately jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it, it's quite insane. There are some that are religious that are bat ***crazy, and some that are just ignorant, and then there are those that are just pretending for whatever reason it may be, my point goes beyond religion though, the mindset that causes religion. Just sitting back lol'ing at the fact that this is the same person that said I need medical attention for my beliefs. And this guy wants to go all thought police on everyone.
If he's bender and you're fry arent you supposed to be friends? FFS stop *** with futurama.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 01:09:30
Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago. so the Boy Scouts(a Mormon Organization) getting funds from the US government and other benefits is sinful and tyrannical. They boy scouts getting money from people that don't want to fund them is tyrannical. Just because you want to try and point out some sort of "feel good" application of taxes doesn't change the root of the problem. It's the price you pay for society guy, if you don't like society, don't live in it. By getting up everyday and going to work, and doing my job, and spending my money on goods and services I need is the price I pay for society. A tyrannical government that takes from the people to fund whatever they feel like funding is not the price of society. Taxes are the price you pay for society, not what you do to make a living. I'm sorry that you're this delusional, maybe you need to seek medical help for your brain, because you obviously need it. I'm fine with paying taxes for the things that I believe in. National Defense, Police, Fire, Hospitals, Infrastructure, etc. Using my taxes to fund things that I don't believe in is not my price to society. Also, stating I am in need of medical attention because my ideals are different from yours? What kind of backwards *** draconian thinking is that? "Oh no, someone thinks differently than I do, there must be something wrong with him." Seems like you are the one that needs to catch up with the times. Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think. Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology. considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality. Well he seemed to work hard and achieve a standard of living. Seems like he is in touch enough with reality to do that. If that was the case everyone who believed in jesus *** christ or the (insert holy text here) would need medical attention. Stupid ideas do not mean the person is some lunatic in need of asylum you ***. Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention. That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too. Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Reality is subjective, not objective. well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds. So you concur that God MAY exist? Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world. Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way? What you consider acceptable is completely subjective. Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way? The best way I can explain it is to say that the greatest thinkers in all society have understood that we know relatively little. Our understanding evolves and try to tackle problems from as many angles as possible. At one point in history religion was the primary tool for scientific inquiry. Obviously this has changed but some people hang onto the old traditions. The important thing is that people maintain an open minded view to learning and constantly try to aquire more. I see no issue with believing in religion so long as you don't let it shut your mind. Unfortunately that happens to many people. I also think religion stablizes people. The weak minded people who would otherwise rebel against society and laws are kept in check by religion. I do not see how religions are still a tool needed by society to keep those in check, and in fact it may be hindering the evolution of society in itself, because without it they would be forced to move on, but that's just my rambling about it.
I'm not certain that eliminating religion will protect people. I really don't know what would happen with morals. I know everyone claims that morals werent created by religion but for a large number of people they are still the same thing. I feel more confident that most people are afraid to commit murder because of hell than I do because they might get caught.
not just religion but the entire mindset that creates it, jumping to illogical conclusions and ignoring the possibility of logic, granted logically you can't rule out some unknown presence, but there's no need to jump to such a conclusion first.
people feared lightning, we now know what causes it, you get the idea, why do we continue to allow this behavior, is it that most people can't handle logical thinking? It's a problem that needs to be addressed before society can evolve past what it is now.
Also to the fascism/freedom thing, to be honest there needs to be a good balance for society to continue, just with everything, balance.
Yeah, we found out lightning was not from Thor and people changed their minds in time. The christians tried making the pagans believe that lightning came from "god the almighty" and not Thor and you see how well that worked right Jet? What you are condoning to me is a modern day mass mission of conversion.
deconversion is closer to what I have in mind. But the entire mindset that it's OK to jump to radical conclusions (at the start).
It be an impossible task even if it was correct (which it is not). You can not tell people what to think on subjective issues Jet. Get that through your head please, you are not some omniscient deity.
I'm sorry but sanity isn't subjective, so you can tell people it's not ok to be insane. If you disagree you disagree, and quite frankly I don't care for your approval.
Never claimed I was or wasn't.
This is not about sanity it is about what people think that is making you say they are insane. Believing in some religion does not make anyone insane it just makes them ignorant.
My approval is a moot point. What have I ever said on here that makes anyone think I give two shits about approval?
When somebody immediately jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it, it's quite insane. There are some that are religious that are bat ***crazy, and some that are just ignorant, and then there are those that are just pretending for whatever reason it may be, my point goes beyond religion though, the mindset that causes religion.
Just sitting back lol'ing at the fact that this is the same person that said I need medical attention for my beliefs.
And this guy wants to go all thought police on everyone.
One as ignorant as yourself really should shut up, especially since you have no understanding of what I'm talking about.
Also you do need medical attention, your mind's distortion from reality isn't healthy.
By Saiii 2010-11-13 01:12:04
Phoenix.Excelior said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago. so the Boy Scouts(a Mormon Organization) getting funds from the US government and other benefits is sinful and tyrannical. They boy scouts getting money from people that don't want to fund them is tyrannical. Just because you want to try and point out some sort of "feel good" application of taxes doesn't change the root of the problem. It's the price you pay for society guy, if you don't like society, don't live in it. By getting up everyday and going to work, and doing my job, and spending my money on goods and services I need is the price I pay for society. A tyrannical government that takes from the people to fund whatever they feel like funding is not the price of society. Taxes are the price you pay for society, not what you do to make a living. I'm sorry that you're this delusional, maybe you need to seek medical help for your brain, because you obviously need it. I'm fine with paying taxes for the things that I believe in. National Defense, Police, Fire, Hospitals, Infrastructure, etc. Using my taxes to fund things that I don't believe in is not my price to society. Also, stating I am in need of medical attention because my ideals are different from yours? What kind of backwards *** draconian thinking is that? "Oh no, someone thinks differently than I do, there must be something wrong with him." Seems like you are the one that needs to catch up with the times. Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think. Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology. considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality. Well he seemed to work hard and achieve a standard of living. Seems like he is in touch enough with reality to do that. If that was the case everyone who believed in jesus *** christ or the (insert holy text here) would need medical attention. Stupid ideas do not mean the person is some lunatic in need of asylum you ***. Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention. That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too. Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Reality is subjective, not objective. well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds. So you concur that God MAY exist? Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world. Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way? What you consider acceptable is completely subjective. Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way? The best way I can explain it is to say that the greatest thinkers in all society have understood that we know relatively little. Our understanding evolves and try to tackle problems from as many angles as possible. At one point in history religion was the primary tool for scientific inquiry. Obviously this has changed but some people hang onto the old traditions. The important thing is that people maintain an open minded view to learning and constantly try to aquire more. I see no issue with believing in religion so long as you don't let it shut your mind. Unfortunately that happens to many people. I also think religion stablizes people. The weak minded people who would otherwise rebel against society and laws are kept in check by religion. I do not see how religions are still a tool needed by society to keep those in check, and in fact it may be hindering the evolution of society in itself, because without it they would be forced to move on, but that's just my rambling about it. I'm not certain that eliminating religion will protect people. I really don't know what would happen with morals. I know everyone claims that morals werent created by religion but for a large number of people they are still the same thing. I feel more confident that most people are afraid to commit murder because of hell than I do because they might get caught. not just religion but the entire mindset that creates it, jumping to illogical conclusions and ignoring the possibility of logic, granted logically you can't rule out some unknown presence, but there's no need to jump to such a conclusion first. people feared lightning, we now know what causes it, you get the idea, why do we continue to allow this behavior, is it that most people can't handle logical thinking? It's a problem that needs to be addressed before society can evolve past what it is now. Also to the fascism/freedom thing, to be honest there needs to be a good balance for society to continue, just with everything, balance. Yeah, we found out lightning was not from Thor and people changed their minds in time. The christians tried making the pagans believe that lightning came from "god the almighty" and not Thor and you see how well that worked right Jet? What you are condoning to me is a modern day mass mission of conversion. deconversion is closer to what I have in mind. But the entire mindset that it's OK to jump to radical conclusions (at the start). It be an impossible task even if it was correct (which it is not). You can not tell people what to think on subjective issues Jet. Get that through your head please, you are not some omniscient deity. I'm sorry but sanity isn't subjective, so you can tell people it's not ok to be insane. If you disagree you disagree, and quite frankly I don't care for your approval. Never claimed I was or wasn't. This is not about sanity it is about what people think that is making you say they are insane. Believing in some religion does not make anyone insane it just makes them ignorant. My approval is a moot point. What have I ever said on here that makes anyone think I give two shits about approval? When somebody immediately jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it, it's quite insane. There are some that are religious that are bat ***crazy, and some that are just ignorant, and then there are those that are just pretending for whatever reason it may be, my point goes beyond religion though, the mindset that causes religion. Just sitting back lol'ing at the fact that this is the same person that said I need medical attention for my beliefs. And this guy wants to go all thought police on everyone.
If he's bender and you're fry arent you supposed to be friends? FFS stop *** with futurama. 
Then I'll be this guy? Any better?
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-13 01:12:16
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago. so the Boy Scouts(a Mormon Organization) getting funds from the US government and other benefits is sinful and tyrannical. They boy scouts getting money from people that don't want to fund them is tyrannical. Just because you want to try and point out some sort of "feel good" application of taxes doesn't change the root of the problem. It's the price you pay for society guy, if you don't like society, don't live in it. By getting up everyday and going to work, and doing my job, and spending my money on goods and services I need is the price I pay for society. A tyrannical government that takes from the people to fund whatever they feel like funding is not the price of society. Taxes are the price you pay for society, not what you do to make a living. I'm sorry that you're this delusional, maybe you need to seek medical help for your brain, because you obviously need it. I'm fine with paying taxes for the things that I believe in. National Defense, Police, Fire, Hospitals, Infrastructure, etc. Using my taxes to fund things that I don't believe in is not my price to society. Also, stating I am in need of medical attention because my ideals are different from yours? What kind of backwards *** draconian thinking is that? "Oh no, someone thinks differently than I do, there must be something wrong with him." Seems like you are the one that needs to catch up with the times. Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think. Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology. considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality. Well he seemed to work hard and achieve a standard of living. Seems like he is in touch enough with reality to do that. If that was the case everyone who believed in jesus *** christ or the (insert holy text here) would need medical attention. Stupid ideas do not mean the person is some lunatic in need of asylum you ***. Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention. That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too. Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Reality is subjective, not objective. well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds. So you concur that God MAY exist? Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world. Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way? What you consider acceptable is completely subjective. Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way? The best way I can explain it is to say that the greatest thinkers in all society have understood that we know relatively little. Our understanding evolves and try to tackle problems from as many angles as possible. At one point in history religion was the primary tool for scientific inquiry. Obviously this has changed but some people hang onto the old traditions. The important thing is that people maintain an open minded view to learning and constantly try to aquire more. I see no issue with believing in religion so long as you don't let it shut your mind. Unfortunately that happens to many people. I also think religion stablizes people. The weak minded people who would otherwise rebel against society and laws are kept in check by religion. I do not see how religions are still a tool needed by society to keep those in check, and in fact it may be hindering the evolution of society in itself, because without it they would be forced to move on, but that's just my rambling about it. I'm not certain that eliminating religion will protect people. I really don't know what would happen with morals. I know everyone claims that morals werent created by religion but for a large number of people they are still the same thing. I feel more confident that most people are afraid to commit murder because of hell than I do because they might get caught. not just religion but the entire mindset that creates it, jumping to illogical conclusions and ignoring the possibility of logic, granted logically you can't rule out some unknown presence, but there's no need to jump to such a conclusion first. people feared lightning, we now know what causes it, you get the idea, why do we continue to allow this behavior, is it that most people can't handle logical thinking? It's a problem that needs to be addressed before society can evolve past what it is now. Also to the fascism/freedom thing, to be honest there needs to be a good balance for society to continue, just with everything, balance. Yeah, we found out lightning was not from Thor and people changed their minds in time. The christians tried making the pagans believe that lightning came from "god the almighty" and not Thor and you see how well that worked right Jet? What you are condoning to me is a modern day mass mission of conversion. deconversion is closer to what I have in mind. But the entire mindset that it's OK to jump to radical conclusions (at the start). It be an impossible task even if it was correct (which it is not). You can not tell people what to think on subjective issues Jet. Get that through your head please, you are not some omniscient deity. I'm sorry but sanity isn't subjective, so you can tell people it's not ok to be insane. If you disagree you disagree, and quite frankly I don't care for your approval. Never claimed I was or wasn't. This is not about sanity it is about what people think that is making you say they are insane. Believing in some religion does not make anyone insane it just makes them ignorant. My approval is a moot point. What have I ever said on here that makes anyone think I give two shits about approval? When somebody immediately jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it, it's quite insane. There are some that are religious that are bat ***crazy, and some that are just ignorant, and then there are those that are just pretending for whatever reason it may be, my point goes beyond religion though, the mindset that causes religion. No when someone jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it that means they would be ignorant and not insane. Last time I checked people were not locked up for being ignorant since 50 Cent and Glenn Beck are still free. There is nothing you can do about the human mind being susceptible to thinking certain things. That would be like trying to "fix" everyone from wanting to *** or form hierarchies.
He's a Christian Scientist; they can't get medical or mental help unless it's the will of god.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 01:13:00
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago. so the Boy Scouts(a Mormon Organization) getting funds from the US government and other benefits is sinful and tyrannical. They boy scouts getting money from people that don't want to fund them is tyrannical. Just because you want to try and point out some sort of "feel good" application of taxes doesn't change the root of the problem. It's the price you pay for society guy, if you don't like society, don't live in it. By getting up everyday and going to work, and doing my job, and spending my money on goods and services I need is the price I pay for society. A tyrannical government that takes from the people to fund whatever they feel like funding is not the price of society. Taxes are the price you pay for society, not what you do to make a living. I'm sorry that you're this delusional, maybe you need to seek medical help for your brain, because you obviously need it. I'm fine with paying taxes for the things that I believe in. National Defense, Police, Fire, Hospitals, Infrastructure, etc. Using my taxes to fund things that I don't believe in is not my price to society. Also, stating I am in need of medical attention because my ideals are different from yours? What kind of backwards *** draconian thinking is that? "Oh no, someone thinks differently than I do, there must be something wrong with him." Seems like you are the one that needs to catch up with the times. Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think. Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology. considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality. Well he seemed to work hard and achieve a standard of living. Seems like he is in touch enough with reality to do that. If that was the case everyone who believed in jesus *** christ or the (insert holy text here) would need medical attention. Stupid ideas do not mean the person is some lunatic in need of asylum you ***. Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention. That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too. Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Reality is subjective, not objective. well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds. So you concur that God MAY exist? Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world. Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way? What you consider acceptable is completely subjective. Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way? The best way I can explain it is to say that the greatest thinkers in all society have understood that we know relatively little. Our understanding evolves and try to tackle problems from as many angles as possible. At one point in history religion was the primary tool for scientific inquiry. Obviously this has changed but some people hang onto the old traditions. The important thing is that people maintain an open minded view to learning and constantly try to aquire more. I see no issue with believing in religion so long as you don't let it shut your mind. Unfortunately that happens to many people. I also think religion stablizes people. The weak minded people who would otherwise rebel against society and laws are kept in check by religion. I do not see how religions are still a tool needed by society to keep those in check, and in fact it may be hindering the evolution of society in itself, because without it they would be forced to move on, but that's just my rambling about it.
I'm not certain that eliminating religion will protect people. I really don't know what would happen with morals. I know everyone claims that morals werent created by religion but for a large number of people they are still the same thing. I feel more confident that most people are afraid to commit murder because of hell than I do because they might get caught.
not just religion but the entire mindset that creates it, jumping to illogical conclusions and ignoring the possibility of logic, granted logically you can't rule out some unknown presence, but there's no need to jump to such a conclusion first.
people feared lightning, we now know what causes it, you get the idea, why do we continue to allow this behavior, is it that most people can't handle logical thinking? It's a problem that needs to be addressed before society can evolve past what it is now.
Also to the fascism/freedom thing, to be honest there needs to be a good balance for society to continue, just with everything, balance.
Yeah, we found out lightning was not from Thor and people changed their minds in time. The christians tried making the pagans believe that lightning came from "god the almighty" and not Thor and you see how well that worked right Jet? What you are condoning to me is a modern day mass mission of conversion.
deconversion is closer to what I have in mind. But the entire mindset that it's OK to jump to radical conclusions (at the start).
It be an impossible task even if it was correct (which it is not). You can not tell people what to think on subjective issues Jet. Get that through your head please, you are not some omniscient deity.
I'm sorry but sanity isn't subjective, so you can tell people it's not ok to be insane. If you disagree you disagree, and quite frankly I don't care for your approval.
Never claimed I was or wasn't.
This is not about sanity it is about what people think that is making you say they are insane. Believing in some religion does not make anyone insane it just makes them ignorant.
My approval is a moot point. What have I ever said on here that makes anyone think I give two shits about approval?
When somebody immediately jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it, it's quite insane. There are some that are religious that are bat ***crazy, and some that are just ignorant, and then there are those that are just pretending for whatever reason it may be, my point goes beyond religion though, the mindset that causes religion.
No when someone jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it that means they would be ignorant and not insane. Last time I checked people were not locked up for being ignorant since 50 Cent and Glenn Beck are still free.
There is nothing you can do about the human mind being susceptible to thinking certain things. That would be like trying to "fix" everyone from wanting to *** or form hierarchies.
OK to continue with that belief when evidence is presented to the contrary is what then? I never said anyone should be locked up. Your last part I'm not so sure about, people evolve and so do their thoughts (unlike Saiii) so I wouldn't jump to "it's impossible" just yet, but it very well may be
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 01:14:24
Phoenix.Excelior said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago. so the Boy Scouts(a Mormon Organization) getting funds from the US government and other benefits is sinful and tyrannical. They boy scouts getting money from people that don't want to fund them is tyrannical. Just because you want to try and point out some sort of "feel good" application of taxes doesn't change the root of the problem. It's the price you pay for society guy, if you don't like society, don't live in it. By getting up everyday and going to work, and doing my job, and spending my money on goods and services I need is the price I pay for society. A tyrannical government that takes from the people to fund whatever they feel like funding is not the price of society. Taxes are the price you pay for society, not what you do to make a living. I'm sorry that you're this delusional, maybe you need to seek medical help for your brain, because you obviously need it. I'm fine with paying taxes for the things that I believe in. National Defense, Police, Fire, Hospitals, Infrastructure, etc. Using my taxes to fund things that I don't believe in is not my price to society. Also, stating I am in need of medical attention because my ideals are different from yours? What kind of backwards *** draconian thinking is that? "Oh no, someone thinks differently than I do, there must be something wrong with him." Seems like you are the one that needs to catch up with the times. Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think. Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology. considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality. Well he seemed to work hard and achieve a standard of living. Seems like he is in touch enough with reality to do that. If that was the case everyone who believed in jesus *** christ or the (insert holy text here) would need medical attention. Stupid ideas do not mean the person is some lunatic in need of asylum you ***. Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention. That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too. Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Reality is subjective, not objective. well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds. So you concur that God MAY exist? Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world. Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way? What you consider acceptable is completely subjective. Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way? The best way I can explain it is to say that the greatest thinkers in all society have understood that we know relatively little. Our understanding evolves and try to tackle problems from as many angles as possible. At one point in history religion was the primary tool for scientific inquiry. Obviously this has changed but some people hang onto the old traditions. The important thing is that people maintain an open minded view to learning and constantly try to aquire more. I see no issue with believing in religion so long as you don't let it shut your mind. Unfortunately that happens to many people. I also think religion stablizes people. The weak minded people who would otherwise rebel against society and laws are kept in check by religion. I do not see how religions are still a tool needed by society to keep those in check, and in fact it may be hindering the evolution of society in itself, because without it they would be forced to move on, but that's just my rambling about it. I'm not certain that eliminating religion will protect people. I really don't know what would happen with morals. I know everyone claims that morals werent created by religion but for a large number of people they are still the same thing. I feel more confident that most people are afraid to commit murder because of hell than I do because they might get caught. not just religion but the entire mindset that creates it, jumping to illogical conclusions and ignoring the possibility of logic, granted logically you can't rule out some unknown presence, but there's no need to jump to such a conclusion first. people feared lightning, we now know what causes it, you get the idea, why do we continue to allow this behavior, is it that most people can't handle logical thinking? It's a problem that needs to be addressed before society can evolve past what it is now. Also to the fascism/freedom thing, to be honest there needs to be a good balance for society to continue, just with everything, balance. Yeah, we found out lightning was not from Thor and people changed their minds in time. The christians tried making the pagans believe that lightning came from "god the almighty" and not Thor and you see how well that worked right Jet? What you are condoning to me is a modern day mass mission of conversion. deconversion is closer to what I have in mind. But the entire mindset that it's OK to jump to radical conclusions (at the start). It be an impossible task even if it was correct (which it is not). You can not tell people what to think on subjective issues Jet. Get that through your head please, you are not some omniscient deity. I'm sorry but sanity isn't subjective, so you can tell people it's not ok to be insane. If you disagree you disagree, and quite frankly I don't care for your approval. Never claimed I was or wasn't. This is not about sanity it is about what people think that is making you say they are insane. Believing in some religion does not make anyone insane it just makes them ignorant. My approval is a moot point. What have I ever said on here that makes anyone think I give two shits about approval? When somebody immediately jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it, it's quite insane. There are some that are religious that are bat ***crazy, and some that are just ignorant, and then there are those that are just pretending for whatever reason it may be, my point goes beyond religion though, the mindset that causes religion. No when someone jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it that means they would be ignorant and not insane. Last time I checked people were not locked up for being ignorant since 50 Cent and Glenn Beck are still free. There is nothing you can do about the human mind being susceptible to thinking certain things. That would be like trying to "fix" everyone from wanting to *** or form hierarchies.
He's a Christian Scientist; they can't get medical or mental help unless it's the will of god.
/lol
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 01:16:46
to make it clear, I was thinking of this when I'm talking about stuff like this when talking about insanity:
http://www.aetv.com/paranormal-state/index.jsp
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 01:18:28
Saiii said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago. so the Boy Scouts(a Mormon Organization) getting funds from the US government and other benefits is sinful and tyrannical. They boy scouts getting money from people that don't want to fund them is tyrannical. Just because you want to try and point out some sort of "feel good" application of taxes doesn't change the root of the problem. It's the price you pay for society guy, if you don't like society, don't live in it. By getting up everyday and going to work, and doing my job, and spending my money on goods and services I need is the price I pay for society. A tyrannical government that takes from the people to fund whatever they feel like funding is not the price of society. Taxes are the price you pay for society, not what you do to make a living. I'm sorry that you're this delusional, maybe you need to seek medical help for your brain, because you obviously need it. I'm fine with paying taxes for the things that I believe in. National Defense, Police, Fire, Hospitals, Infrastructure, etc. Using my taxes to fund things that I don't believe in is not my price to society. Also, stating I am in need of medical attention because my ideals are different from yours? What kind of backwards *** draconian thinking is that? "Oh no, someone thinks differently than I do, there must be something wrong with him." Seems like you are the one that needs to catch up with the times. Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think. Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology. considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality. Well he seemed to work hard and achieve a standard of living. Seems like he is in touch enough with reality to do that. If that was the case everyone who believed in jesus *** christ or the (insert holy text here) would need medical attention. Stupid ideas do not mean the person is some lunatic in need of asylum you ***. Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention. That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too. Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Reality is subjective, not objective. well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds. So you concur that God MAY exist? Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world. Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way? What you consider acceptable is completely subjective. Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way? The best way I can explain it is to say that the greatest thinkers in all society have understood that we know relatively little. Our understanding evolves and try to tackle problems from as many angles as possible. At one point in history religion was the primary tool for scientific inquiry. Obviously this has changed but some people hang onto the old traditions. The important thing is that people maintain an open minded view to learning and constantly try to aquire more. I see no issue with believing in religion so long as you don't let it shut your mind. Unfortunately that happens to many people. I also think religion stablizes people. The weak minded people who would otherwise rebel against society and laws are kept in check by religion. I do not see how religions are still a tool needed by society to keep those in check, and in fact it may be hindering the evolution of society in itself, because without it they would be forced to move on, but that's just my rambling about it. I'm not certain that eliminating religion will protect people. I really don't know what would happen with morals. I know everyone claims that morals werent created by religion but for a large number of people they are still the same thing. I feel more confident that most people are afraid to commit murder because of hell than I do because they might get caught. not just religion but the entire mindset that creates it, jumping to illogical conclusions and ignoring the possibility of logic, granted logically you can't rule out some unknown presence, but there's no need to jump to such a conclusion first. people feared lightning, we now know what causes it, you get the idea, why do we continue to allow this behavior, is it that most people can't handle logical thinking? It's a problem that needs to be addressed before society can evolve past what it is now. Also to the fascism/freedom thing, to be honest there needs to be a good balance for society to continue, just with everything, balance. Yeah, we found out lightning was not from Thor and people changed their minds in time. The christians tried making the pagans believe that lightning came from "god the almighty" and not Thor and you see how well that worked right Jet? What you are condoning to me is a modern day mass mission of conversion. deconversion is closer to what I have in mind. But the entire mindset that it's OK to jump to radical conclusions (at the start). It be an impossible task even if it was correct (which it is not). You can not tell people what to think on subjective issues Jet. Get that through your head please, you are not some omniscient deity. I'm sorry but sanity isn't subjective, so you can tell people it's not ok to be insane. If you disagree you disagree, and quite frankly I don't care for your approval. Never claimed I was or wasn't. This is not about sanity it is about what people think that is making you say they are insane. Believing in some religion does not make anyone insane it just makes them ignorant. My approval is a moot point. What have I ever said on here that makes anyone think I give two shits about approval? When somebody immediately jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it, it's quite insane. There are some that are religious that are bat ***crazy, and some that are just ignorant, and then there are those that are just pretending for whatever reason it may be, my point goes beyond religion though, the mindset that causes religion. Just sitting back lol'ing at the fact that this is the same person that said I need medical attention for my beliefs. And this guy wants to go all thought police on everyone.
If he's bender and you're fry arent you supposed to be friends? FFS stop *** with futurama.
Then I'll be this guy? Any better?
Shut up before I hit you with an unbend-able girder.
By Saiii 2010-11-13 01:20:08
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago. so the Boy Scouts(a Mormon Organization) getting funds from the US government and other benefits is sinful and tyrannical. They boy scouts getting money from people that don't want to fund them is tyrannical. Just because you want to try and point out some sort of "feel good" application of taxes doesn't change the root of the problem. It's the price you pay for society guy, if you don't like society, don't live in it. By getting up everyday and going to work, and doing my job, and spending my money on goods and services I need is the price I pay for society. A tyrannical government that takes from the people to fund whatever they feel like funding is not the price of society. Taxes are the price you pay for society, not what you do to make a living. I'm sorry that you're this delusional, maybe you need to seek medical help for your brain, because you obviously need it. I'm fine with paying taxes for the things that I believe in. National Defense, Police, Fire, Hospitals, Infrastructure, etc. Using my taxes to fund things that I don't believe in is not my price to society. Also, stating I am in need of medical attention because my ideals are different from yours? What kind of backwards *** draconian thinking is that? "Oh no, someone thinks differently than I do, there must be something wrong with him." Seems like you are the one that needs to catch up with the times. Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think. Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology. considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality. Well he seemed to work hard and achieve a standard of living. Seems like he is in touch enough with reality to do that. If that was the case everyone who believed in jesus *** christ or the (insert holy text here) would need medical attention. Stupid ideas do not mean the person is some lunatic in need of asylum you ***. Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention. That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too. Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Reality is subjective, not objective. well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds. So you concur that God MAY exist? Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world. Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way? What you consider acceptable is completely subjective. Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way? The best way I can explain it is to say that the greatest thinkers in all society have understood that we know relatively little. Our understanding evolves and try to tackle problems from as many angles as possible. At one point in history religion was the primary tool for scientific inquiry. Obviously this has changed but some people hang onto the old traditions. The important thing is that people maintain an open minded view to learning and constantly try to aquire more. I see no issue with believing in religion so long as you don't let it shut your mind. Unfortunately that happens to many people. I also think religion stablizes people. The weak minded people who would otherwise rebel against society and laws are kept in check by religion. I do not see how religions are still a tool needed by society to keep those in check, and in fact it may be hindering the evolution of society in itself, because without it they would be forced to move on, but that's just my rambling about it.
I'm not certain that eliminating religion will protect people. I really don't know what would happen with morals. I know everyone claims that morals werent created by religion but for a large number of people they are still the same thing. I feel more confident that most people are afraid to commit murder because of hell than I do because they might get caught.
not just religion but the entire mindset that creates it, jumping to illogical conclusions and ignoring the possibility of logic, granted logically you can't rule out some unknown presence, but there's no need to jump to such a conclusion first.
people feared lightning, we now know what causes it, you get the idea, why do we continue to allow this behavior, is it that most people can't handle logical thinking? It's a problem that needs to be addressed before society can evolve past what it is now.
Also to the fascism/freedom thing, to be honest there needs to be a good balance for society to continue, just with everything, balance.
Yeah, we found out lightning was not from Thor and people changed their minds in time. The christians tried making the pagans believe that lightning came from "god the almighty" and not Thor and you see how well that worked right Jet? What you are condoning to me is a modern day mass mission of conversion.
deconversion is closer to what I have in mind. But the entire mindset that it's OK to jump to radical conclusions (at the start).
It be an impossible task even if it was correct (which it is not). You can not tell people what to think on subjective issues Jet. Get that through your head please, you are not some omniscient deity.
I'm sorry but sanity isn't subjective, so you can tell people it's not ok to be insane. If you disagree you disagree, and quite frankly I don't care for your approval.
Never claimed I was or wasn't.
This is not about sanity it is about what people think that is making you say they are insane. Believing in some religion does not make anyone insane it just makes them ignorant.
My approval is a moot point. What have I ever said on here that makes anyone think I give two shits about approval?
When somebody immediately jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it, it's quite insane. There are some that are religious that are bat ***crazy, and some that are just ignorant, and then there are those that are just pretending for whatever reason it may be, my point goes beyond religion though, the mindset that causes religion.
Just sitting back lol'ing at the fact that this is the same person that said I need medical attention for my beliefs.
And this guy wants to go all thought police on everyone.
Hey Saiii, what do you think about Jefferson's quote you used in comparison to the events that caused the Whiskey Rebellion? I demand it be spoken of for the possibilities it could have lead to!
What about it? The government wanted the tax and the farmers didn't want to give it up?
Where do you want to go with this?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 01:21:33
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: OK to continue with that belief when evidence is presented to the contrary is what then? I never said anyone should be locked up. Your last part I'm not so sure about, people evolve and so do their thoughts (unlike Saiii) so I wouldn't jump to "it's impossible" just yet, but it very well may be
1
: mentally disordered : exhibiting insanity
2
: used by, typical of, or intended for insane persons <an insane asylum>
3
: absurd <an insane scheme for making money>
4
: extreme 1
— in·sane·ly adverb
— in·sane·ness\-ˈsān-nəs\ noun
Examples of INSANE
1. The murderer was found to be criminally insane.
2. She was insane with jealousy.
3. He had an insane look in his eyes.
4. She likes to drive at insane speeds.
5. He had this insane idea that he could get rich by selling old computers.
Definition of STUPID
1
a : slow of mind : obtuse b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c : lacking intelligence or reason : brutish
2
: dulled in feeling or sensation : torpid <still stupid from the sedative>
3
: marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting : senseless <a stupid decision>
4
a : lacking interest or point <a stupid event> b : vexatious, exasperating <the stupid car won't start>
— stu·pid·ly adverb
— stu·pid·ness noun
Definition of UNREASONABLE
1
a : not governed by or acting according to reason <unreasonable people> b : not conformable to reason : absurd <unreasonable beliefs>
2
: exceeding the bounds of reason or moderation <working under unreasonable pressure>
— un·rea·son·able·ness\-nəs\ noun
— un·rea·son·ably\-blē\ adverb
Maybe you will understand some words a little better Jet.
Oh, and if someone is insane they are generally put into asylum which is the same as locking them up.
not always, there are plenty of insane people wondering around, just as long as they aren't a danger to themselves or others (violently is typically the factor) most will never bother with them. You can sit here and call such people sane all day but when it comes down to it people who think this way and find it entirely acceptable to think this way are insane.
By Saiii 2010-11-13 01:24:09
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Saiii said: To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson It's funny reading his quotes, he already saw all this *** that is happening today 200 years ago. so the Boy Scouts(a Mormon Organization) getting funds from the US government and other benefits is sinful and tyrannical. They boy scouts getting money from people that don't want to fund them is tyrannical. Just because you want to try and point out some sort of "feel good" application of taxes doesn't change the root of the problem. It's the price you pay for society guy, if you don't like society, don't live in it. By getting up everyday and going to work, and doing my job, and spending my money on goods and services I need is the price I pay for society. A tyrannical government that takes from the people to fund whatever they feel like funding is not the price of society. Taxes are the price you pay for society, not what you do to make a living. I'm sorry that you're this delusional, maybe you need to seek medical help for your brain, because you obviously need it. I'm fine with paying taxes for the things that I believe in. National Defense, Police, Fire, Hospitals, Infrastructure, etc. Using my taxes to fund things that I don't believe in is not my price to society. Also, stating I am in need of medical attention because my ideals are different from yours? What kind of backwards *** draconian thinking is that? "Oh no, someone thinks differently than I do, there must be something wrong with him." Seems like you are the one that needs to catch up with the times. Thing is guy you don't get to decide what your tax money goes to, nor is it your place to. Your mind is set to a time that isn't the world today, you do need mental medical attention, and it's regardless of how or what I think. Shut the *** up Jet. Sprinkle insults over your statements, but do not sit there and try to rationally argue he needs medical attention for his ideology. considering he's in a mindset that is inapplicable to the world today, yeah he does need medical attention, he clearly doesn't understand reality. Well he seemed to work hard and achieve a standard of living. Seems like he is in touch enough with reality to do that. If that was the case everyone who believed in jesus *** christ or the (insert holy text here) would need medical attention. Stupid ideas do not mean the person is some lunatic in need of asylum you ***. Ok I'm a ***, but I see nothing wrong with making everyone who believes in religion or other ***seek medical attention. That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not even need to rant on why that is the case too. Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Reality is subjective, not objective. well I guess that depends on whether or not you accept everything as observable or not, which does raise a good question and a line of thinking that far exceeds most minds. So you concur that God MAY exist? Yeah he is in my *** and brings ***into this world. Tell me Spicy, why is it wrong? Why does society accept irrational thought and instantly jumping to illogical conclusions when we don't see an immediate answer the acceptable way? What you consider acceptable is completely subjective. Duh, but why is this the accepted way? Is it just blatant fear? ignorance? stupidity? etc, and should we continue this way? The best way I can explain it is to say that the greatest thinkers in all society have understood that we know relatively little. Our understanding evolves and try to tackle problems from as many angles as possible. At one point in history religion was the primary tool for scientific inquiry. Obviously this has changed but some people hang onto the old traditions. The important thing is that people maintain an open minded view to learning and constantly try to aquire more. I see no issue with believing in religion so long as you don't let it shut your mind. Unfortunately that happens to many people. I also think religion stablizes people. The weak minded people who would otherwise rebel against society and laws are kept in check by religion. I do not see how religions are still a tool needed by society to keep those in check, and in fact it may be hindering the evolution of society in itself, because without it they would be forced to move on, but that's just my rambling about it. I'm not certain that eliminating religion will protect people. I really don't know what would happen with morals. I know everyone claims that morals werent created by religion but for a large number of people they are still the same thing. I feel more confident that most people are afraid to commit murder because of hell than I do because they might get caught. not just religion but the entire mindset that creates it, jumping to illogical conclusions and ignoring the possibility of logic, granted logically you can't rule out some unknown presence, but there's no need to jump to such a conclusion first. people feared lightning, we now know what causes it, you get the idea, why do we continue to allow this behavior, is it that most people can't handle logical thinking? It's a problem that needs to be addressed before society can evolve past what it is now. Also to the fascism/freedom thing, to be honest there needs to be a good balance for society to continue, just with everything, balance. Yeah, we found out lightning was not from Thor and people changed their minds in time. The christians tried making the pagans believe that lightning came from "god the almighty" and not Thor and you see how well that worked right Jet? What you are condoning to me is a modern day mass mission of conversion. deconversion is closer to what I have in mind. But the entire mindset that it's OK to jump to radical conclusions (at the start). It be an impossible task even if it was correct (which it is not). You can not tell people what to think on subjective issues Jet. Get that through your head please, you are not some omniscient deity. I'm sorry but sanity isn't subjective, so you can tell people it's not ok to be insane. If you disagree you disagree, and quite frankly I don't care for your approval. Never claimed I was or wasn't. This is not about sanity it is about what people think that is making you say they are insane. Believing in some religion does not make anyone insane it just makes them ignorant. My approval is a moot point. What have I ever said on here that makes anyone think I give two shits about approval? When somebody immediately jumps to a conclusion without any logic behind it, it's quite insane. There are some that are religious that are bat ***crazy, and some that are just ignorant, and then there are those that are just pretending for whatever reason it may be, my point goes beyond religion though, the mindset that causes religion. Just sitting back lol'ing at the fact that this is the same person that said I need medical attention for my beliefs. And this guy wants to go all thought police on everyone.
If he's bender and you're fry arent you supposed to be friends? FFS stop *** with futurama.
Then I'll be this guy? Any better?
Shut up before I hit you with an unbend-able girder. 
Yeah, and which one of us ended up with the girl?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 01:27:53
oh and another thing spicy, you forgot a few.
ir·ra·tion·al
/ɪˈræʃənl/ Show Spelled[ih-rash-uh-nl] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
without the faculty of reason; deprived of reason.
2.
without or deprived of normal mental clarity or sound judgment.
3.
not in accordance with reason; utterly illogical: irrational arguments.
4.
not endowed with the faculty of reason: irrational animals.
5.
Mathematics .
a.
(of a number) not capable of being expressed exactly as a ratio of two integers.
b.
(of a function) not capable of being expressed exactly as a ratio of two polynomials.
6.
Algebra . (of an equation) having an unknown under a radical sign or, alternately, with a fractional exponent.
7.
Greek and Latin Prosody .
a.
of or pertaining to a substitution in the normal metrical pattern, esp. a long syllable for a short one.
b.
noting a foot or meter containing such a substitution.
–noun
8.
Mathematics . irrational number.
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Origin:
1425–75; late ME < L irratiōnālis. See ir-2 , rational
—Related forms
ir·ra·tion·al·ly, adverb
ir·ra·tion·al·ness, noun
non·ir·ra·tion·al, adjective, noun
non·ir·ra·tion·al·ly, adverb
non·ir·ra·tion·al·ness, noun
—Synonyms
3. unreasonable, ridiculous; insensate.
in·sane
/ɪnˈseɪn/ Show Spelled[in-seyn] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
not sane; not of sound mind; mentally deranged.
2.
of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a person who is mentally deranged: insane actions; an insane asylum.
3.
utterly senseless: an insane plan.
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Origin:
1550–60; < L insānus. See in-3 , sane
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in·sane·ly, adverb
in·sane·ness, noun
pseu·do·in·sane, adjective
—Synonyms
1. demented; lunatic, crazed, crazy; maniacal. 3. foolish, irrational. See mad.
here's another fun word
syn·o·nym
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–noun
1.
a word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another in the language, as joyful, elated, glad.
2.
a word or expression accepted as another name for something, as Arcadia for pastoral simplicity; metonym.
3.
Biology . one of two or more scientific names applied to a single taxon.
By Saiii 2010-11-13 01:28:31
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Saiii said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Hey Saiii, what do you think about Jefferson's quote you used in comparison to the events that caused the Whiskey Rebellion? I demand it be spoken of for the possibilities it could have lead to!
What about it? The government wanted the tax and the farmers didn't want to give it up?
Where do you want to go with this?
Well you went on about Jefferson said: To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. yet the founders could not live by such words in actuality because the country (the people as a whole) was all in debt.
They had a war over taxation with out representation and then did exactly that because it was needed by the people.
Don't confuse my admiration for Jefferson as universal admiration for everything the founding fathers did. The farmers were right to stand up against the government and it seems they were at least somewhat successful.
Also, the tax was repealed when Jefferson took office.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 01:29:16
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: OK to continue with that belief when evidence is presented to the contrary is what then? I never said anyone should be locked up. Your last part I'm not so sure about, people evolve and so do their thoughts (unlike Saiii) so I wouldn't jump to "it's impossible" just yet, but it very well may be
1
: mentally disordered : exhibiting insanity
2
: used by, typical of, or intended for insane persons <an insane asylum>
3
: absurd <an insane scheme for making money>
4
: extreme 1
— in·sane·ly adverb
— in·sane·ness\-ˈsān-nəs\ noun
Examples of INSANE
1. The murderer was found to be criminally insane.
2. She was insane with jealousy.
3. He had an insane look in his eyes.
4. She likes to drive at insane speeds.
5. He had this insane idea that he could get rich by selling old computers.
Definition of STUPID
1
a : slow of mind : obtuse b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c : lacking intelligence or reason : brutish
2
: dulled in feeling or sensation : torpid <still stupid from the sedative>
3
: marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting : senseless <a stupid decision>
4
a : lacking interest or point <a stupid event> b : vexatious, exasperating <the stupid car won't start>
— stu·pid·ly adverb
— stu·pid·ness noun
Definition of UNREASONABLE
1
a : not governed by or acting according to reason <unreasonable people> b : not conformable to reason : absurd <unreasonable beliefs>
2
: exceeding the bounds of reason or moderation <working under unreasonable pressure>
— un·rea·son·able·ness\-nəs\ noun
— un·rea·son·ably\-blē\ adverb
Maybe you will understand some words a little better Jet.
Oh, and if someone is insane they are generally put into asylum which is the same as locking them up.
not always, there are plenty of insane people wondering around, just as long as they aren't a danger to themselves or others (violently is typically the factor) most will never bother with them. You can sit here and call such people sane all day but when it comes down to it people who think this way and find it entirely acceptable to think this way are insane.
I never once called these people you are speaking of sane.
What I will say since you clearly do not understand the word is that you and these people you are speaking of are stupid, blinded, and unreasonable.
yeah, same (or close enough) meaning bud.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-13 01:42:32
@Spicy, I've always used the words as synapses of each other, I'm kind of surprised that they aren't direct ones, I'll file a request to the dictionary people later to correct it, since they have a common one. Until then, good night and have a wonderful day.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2010-11-13 03:42:47
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: @Spicy, I've always used the words as synapses of each other, I'm kind of surprised that they aren't direct ones, I'll file a request to the dictionary people later to correct it, since they have a common one. Until then, good night and have a wonderful day.
That word doesn't mean what you think it does...
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-13 03:46:08
always gotta have one who see's themself as a conservative/reblican or w/e that isn't as informed as they should be, a few guys sitting throwing ***, occasionally me who throws ***and/or says something reasonable rather than partisan bs and then you have 1 random pop of a person who knows their ***that happens to put them in check for a while.
that last part can be a bit of a double-edged sword depending on who is wielding the "knowledge" if you know what I'm saying.
I know the ffxiah coflict equation!
Bahamut.Milamber said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: @Spicy, I've always used the words as synapses of each other, I'm kind of surprised that they aren't direct ones, I'll file a request to the dictionary people later to correct it, since they have a common one. Until then, good night and have a wonderful day.
That word doesn't mean what you think it does...
isn't that a brain-relevant word?
like you are in the matrix neo?
that kind of deal?
the phrase "neural synapses" comes to mind which makes me think interface for some reason.
i dunno.
I hate it when words are thrown in all willy nilly though.
edit: electrical junctions in the nervous system...
guess that kind of is an interface of sorts.
my brain associates things in a fun way and most of the time I'm right with things like that...makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
welp I'm going to bed.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2010-11-13 06:02:29
Ramuh.Vinvv said: always gotta have one who see's themself as a conservative/reblican or w/e that isn't as informed as they should be, a few guys sitting throwing ***, occasionally me who throws ***and/or says something reasonable rather than partisan bs and then you have 1 random pop of a person who knows their ***that happens to put them in check for a while.
that last part can be a bit of a double-edged sword depending on who is wielding the "knowledge" if you know what I'm saying.
I know the ffxiah coflict equation!
Bahamut.Milamber said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: @Spicy, I've always used the words as synapses of each other, I'm kind of surprised that they aren't direct ones, I'll file a request to the dictionary people later to correct it, since they have a common one. Until then, good night and have a wonderful day.
That word doesn't mean what you think it does...
isn't that a brain-relevant word?
like you are in the matrix neo?
that kind of deal?
the phrase "neural synapses" comes to mind which makes me think interface for some reason.
i dunno.
I hate it when words are thrown in all willy nilly though.
edit: electrical junctions in the nervous system...
guess that kind of is an interface of sorts.
my brain associates things in a fun way and most of the time I'm right with things like that...makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
welp I'm going to bed.
I would hazard they meant to put synonyms instead of synapses. Possibly they meant synopsis, but that doesn't fit either.
By Luz 2010-11-13 10:40:37
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/10/white-house-gives-in-on-bush-tax-cuts_n_781992.html
so uh...Happy Veteran's Day I guess. >_>
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