What Grinds Your Gears?

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 Ifrit.Kungfuhustle
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-04-27 14:12:09  
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1. PUP
2. MNKs and SAMs who are afraid to tank (esp w/2 healers)
3. The Dunes.
4. Campaign battles (since the update)
5. Macs
6. not important
7. also not important
8. Freshman who test out of comp classes (High School does not teach one how to write for college >.<)
9. Hangovers
10. Maintenance


As a MNK, I would tank at the drop of a hat, its the lack of warning beforehand that irks me.

I've always hated the dunes, stupidity and death seem to go hand in hand out there.

Level Sync Sucks!... end of story. All Level Sync does is inhibit new players from truly learning their jobs,
as well as letting higher level players dumb themselves down by being 75 IN TEH DOONZ!

Freshmen are stupid, hence why they're so fun to play tricks on.

Maintenance, wtf are they fixing this time? Are the Chocobos running backwards or something, or are the Mithras jumping
on poles?
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-04-27 14:18:10  
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6. RNGs who refuse to pull


RNGs are so not supposed to pull after 55, for one obvious reason, and several other non-obvious ones.

1)If you are the first person to hit a mob, you gain a massive hate boost. Couple that with a 300+ damage ranged attack, like most RNGs are very capable of, and you WILL be the tank for the whole mob.

2)RNGs use weapons with very high delays. It would be far faster to run up and voke a mob. Hell, it would even be faster to melee pull.

3)RNGs usually have hate at the end of mobs, be it through WS hate or otherwise. Having to wait until the mob is dead before pulling is really going to slow down your party.

4)It's just not smart. All jobs should have some form of pulling available, be it through dia or ranged attack or voke. RNG is quite possibly the LEAST logical job to pull.
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-04-27 14:22:46  
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Level Sync Sucks!... end of story. All Level Sync does is inhibit new players from truly learning their jobs, as well as letting higher level players dumb themselves down by being 75 IN TEH DOONZ!


You're crazy. Sure there's a downside, but I take it you never looked for a party pre-level sync as a DD before. Good *** luck with that...trying to get Jungle parties was a *** nightmare back then unless you were tank/main heal.

Now you can sync, get the bulk of your level, then hit up a level appropriate party to get your skills capped. So basically, LAZY PEOPLE SUCK...since those are the peeps that don't take the time to do that.
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By Sylph.Pocoterremoto 2009-04-27 14:23:55  
(enter whats grinds ur gears) grinds my gears
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By Caitsith.Faythful 2009-04-27 14:26:19  
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Enternius said:
Spoon said:
6. RNGs who refuse to pull


RNGs are so not supposed to pull after 55, for one obvious reason, and several other non-obvious ones.

1)If you are the first person to hit a mob, you gain a massive hate boost. Couple that with a 300+ damage ranged attack, like most RNGs are very capable of, and you WILL be the tank for the whole mob.

2)RNGs use weapons with very high delays. It would be far faster to run up and voke a mob. Hell, it would even be faster to melee pull.

3)RNGs usually have hate at the end of mobs, be it through WS hate or otherwise. Having to wait until the mob is dead before pulling is really going to slow down your party.

4)It's just not smart. All jobs should have some form of pulling available, be it through dia or ranged attack or voke. RNG is quite possibly the LEAST logical job to pull.

^This.

Maybe back in the day when brds didn't pull, colibri's didnt exist, and when 4-5k an hour was amazing.


lol RNG pull is simple.. Pull, Do some DD til you get 100% TP, Pull again, Come in to camp, WS the old mob, kill it, and start on the new one (insert a smart mage who can sleep the new mobs being pulled if needed). If you dont have smart mages/rng then yea, dont have a rng pull but lol at needing another job to do it.. hell its not THAT hard if you know your jobs DMG output!
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By Hades.Spoon 2009-04-27 14:28:23  
I looooooove Level Sync! I quit before it was in place and came back afterwards, and this game moves way faster now. FoV ftw for the same reason, soloing is much more tolerable. I think SE is finally recognizing that we don't have the time to lfp for an hour before pting for 4 hours. I can now play at my leisure! /gasp
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By Hades.Jacinda 2009-04-27 14:34:04  
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I think SE is finally recognizing that we don't have the time to lfp for 4 hours before pting for an hour.


Fixed. ^^
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-04-27 14:35:36  
If you ask me, the only three jobs that should pull are BRD, COR, or THF, mainly because these three jobs have no uses outside of support reasons. If you have a THF running out to pull mobs, the party will not slow down dramatically, but if you have a RNG (Especially the ones that consist of 50% or more of your party's total damage) then having them run around like idiots looking for a mob will drastically slow down any party.
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By Hades.Spoon 2009-04-27 14:51:19  
every job has to pull at some point, if a job's main weapon is ranged and the player is /nin, then it's fair to expect them to do it as well
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-04-27 14:57:57  
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every job has to pull at some point, if a job's main weapon is ranged and the player is /nin, then it's fair to expect them to do it as well


Just tell them when you invite, is all we ask, saves the whole "Where the *** is your ranged weapon?!" or showing up with like 25 bolts/arrows and getting ***on...
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By Hades.Spoon 2009-04-27 15:01:50  
This is true, it's what we were saying earlier about tanking as well. As sam, i always brought a tank gear macro and a ranged weapon because I figured it was inevitable that I would do one or the other, or both
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By Ifrit.Thunderz 2009-04-27 15:07:04
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Seed of judgment spam at 10%, with 5min left on timer...grinds my gears
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-04-27 15:10:40  
forgetting to turn on the crockpot earlier grinds my gears...
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By Diabolos.Travieso 2009-04-27 15:41:28  
The One Thing That REALLY Grinds My Gears:

People Dumbing Down Summoner To Be A WHM-1.

I Understand That As A TaruTaru Summoner I Have An INSANE MP Pool (Even Before MP+ Gear). I Also Get That My BP Timer Causes Me Not To Be Able To WS or SC As Fast As Say A MNK or SAM Could (Even After BP Timer- Gear). But Why Try To Make Me ONLY Main Heal/Buff?

Why Should I Be Forced To Level A "Real" DD Job In Order To Get Invites To Or Be Taken Seriously In Nyzul Isle Statics? I've Proven On Numerous Occasions That One Well Placed BP:Rage That Exploit The Mobs Weakness (I.E. Mountain Buster -vs- Magic Pots Or Even A Tier IV Nuke On The End Of A SC) Is Impossible To Gauge!

Now I'm Not Saying By Any Means That I Can Out Damage A DRK, SAM, MNK, Or RNG. Nor Am I Saying I Can Out MB A BLM Or Even SCH, But Much Like BST, PUP, & DRG, I Have Pets To Assist Me For A Reason. I'm Not Trying To Tank Or Take Anyone's Job, But I'd Like To Be Able To Use All My Talents And Resources Without Being Looked At Like An Arse Because I Choose NOT To Main Heal When WHMs Are Seeking.

I Didn't Spend Days/Weeks/Months/Years Raising Fame To Get All Avatars, Gil To Get All Spirits, Or Meriting To Raise Their Acc/Att And Lower My Enmity To Use ALL My Mana Keeping A Tank Alive That Won't Buy Decent Tanking Gear. I'd Like To Use My Gods For What They Were Meant For, Somewhere Else Besides Campaign Battle Or Soloing/Duoing Imps In Caedavera Mire.

And That's What Really Grinds My Gears.
Back To You Diane.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-04-27 15:42:56  
Great Job Typing Like This The Whole Time.
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-04-27 15:44:37  
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Great Job Typing Like This The Whole Time.


I Know Right Hitting That Shift Key At The Beginning Of Every Word Must Have Been Annoying.
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By Lakshmi.Darknesss 2009-04-27 15:54:38  
Lol yeah... was a guy in my dyn shell (DRK) and he would mele in full heca +1 (*** idiot)
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By Ifrit.Thunderz 2009-04-27 16:07:43
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Travieso said:
The One Thing That REALLY Grinds My Gears:

People Dumbing Down Summoner To Be A WHM-1.

I Understand That As A TaruTaru Summoner I Have An INSANE MP Pool (Even Before MP+ Gear). I Also Get That My BP Timer Causes Me Not To Be Able To WS or SC As Fast As Say A MNK or SAM Could (Even After BP Timer- Gear). But Why Try To Make Me ONLY Main Heal/Buff?

Why Should I Be Forced To Level A "Real" DD Job In Order To Get Invites To Or Be Taken Seriously In Nyzul Isle Statics? I've Proven On Numerous Occasions That One Well Placed BP:Rage That Exploit The Mobs Weakness (I.E. Mountain Buster -vs- Magic Pots Or Even A Tier IV Nuke On The End Of A SC) Is Impossible To Gauge!

Now I'm Not Saying By Any Means That I Can Out Damage A DRK, SAM, MNK, Or RNG. Nor Am I Saying I Can Out MB A BLM Or Even SCH, But Much Like BST, PUP, & DRG, I Have Pets To Assist Me For A Reason. I'm Not Trying To Tank Or Take Anyone's Job, But I'd Like To Be Able To Use All My Talents And Resources Without Being Looked At Like An Arse Because I Choose NOT To Main Heal When WHMs Are Seeking.

I Didn't Spend Days/Weeks/Months/Years Raising Fame To Get All Avatars, Gil To Get All Spirits, Or Meriting To Raise Their Acc/Att And Lower My Enmity To Use ALL My Mana Keeping A Tank Alive That Won't Buy Decent Tanking Gear. I'd Like To Use My Gods For What They Were Meant For, Somewhere Else Besides Campaign Battle Or Soloing/Duoing Imps In Caedavera Mire.

And That's What Really Grinds My Gears.
Back To You Diane.


there is a simple reason behind this. I'm not saying your job sucks or anything...or that you can't DD but...in nyzle you have 30mins

Lets say we have a rdm, sam, sam, mnk, smn, pld. So the DDs are doing their thing and your assisting in the DD side of it.

Floors: Kill all, kill ennemy Leader, lamps, kill all, kill spec ennemys, then NM floor

Now with a 1k MP pool you would sponge out your MP in the Kill all floor (if you DD all out)

On the enemy leader if your MP isn't out It's gonna run dry here

rest on lamp floor but a good nyzle perma will clear lamps asap before your mp can reach 200~300
(thou you have your elemental convert which can bring it back 250mp)

Again on the kill all floor your MP will suffer big timer on the reg onslaught of 20mobs etc

Then on kill spec mobs if you bump into the gears or flyers your mp gonna get sponge in support healing/ DD'ing/ and status removal (para, curse, poison, etc)

Then the NM floor, if your a good Mage you will have a either thingy on you and there ya go DD the NM

What im saying is... a nyzle perma would rather have a sam, mnk, even a warrior over a smn DD since your MP limits you (out of Mana after a hard floor, means you will be resting a good 2~4min). I've done nyzle with tons of jobs and Just to tell you a SMN DD in nyzle just isn't as good as any other (desired DD jobs)

=o
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-04-27 16:09:10  
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Level Sync Sucks!... end of story. All Level Sync does is inhibit new players from truly learning their jobs,
as well as letting higher level players dumb themselves down by being 75 IN TEH DOONZ!

When you can come back and explain to me exactly how Level Sync prevents players from learning their jobs, I'll listen. As it stands it's made my time in ffxi a hell of a lot easier because I can party with friends or lsmates of any level whenever I wish, not to mention actually get a party in a reasonable amount of time. I'm not the best player but damned if I'm gonna blame that on Level Sync. Anybody who got "dumbed down" by Level Sync was an idiot already. PEBKAC
People not paying attention to my /seacom grinds my gears. Chain 6 as a DRG/BLU with nothing but FOV Refresh, however, makes my day ^^ Still think I coulda made 7 if there had been another mob nearby >.>
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Lol yeah... was a guy in my dyn shell (DRK) and he would mele in full heca +1 (*** idiot)

Lolololololol
Fail.
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2009-04-27 16:11:47  
Programming grinds my gears.
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By Bahamut.Fyyvoaa 2009-04-27 16:19:57  
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Kungfuhustle said:
Level Sync Sucks!... end of story. All Level Sync does is inhibit new players from truly learning their jobs,
as well as letting higher level players dumb themselves down by being 75 IN TEH DOONZ!

When you can come back and explain to me exactly how Level Sync prevents players from learning their jobs, I'll listen. As it stands it's made my time in ffxi a hell of a lot easier because I can party with friends or lsmates of any level whenever I wish, not to mention actually get a party in a reasonable amount of time. I'm not the best player but damned if I'm gonna blame that on Level Sync. Anybody who got "dumbed down" by Level Sync was an idiot already. PEBKAC
People not paying attention to my /seacom grinds my gears. Chain 6 as a DRG/BLU with nothing but FOV Refresh, however, makes my day ^^ Still think I coulda made 7 if there had been another mob nearby >.>


I (IMO) think the only thing level sync really hurts me is that it killed my skills (While I was leveling BLM that hurt alot!)

It is quite nice to be able to level with fellow LS mates and friends, but when you LFP and only get {Hello!} {Level Sync} 20 - 30 {Do you need it?} /tell s when your level 60s is sad (and what really grinds my gears about tat (TOPIC!) is when they don't even bother to read my /seacom (Even when it specifically says I want a level sync 54+ party!) )
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By Ifrit.Thunderz 2009-04-27 16:26:57
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Nightfyre said:
Kungfuhustle said:
Level Sync Sucks!... end of story. All Level Sync does is inhibit new players from truly learning their jobs,
as well as letting higher level players dumb themselves down by being 75 IN TEH DOONZ!

When you can come back and explain to me exactly how Level Sync prevents players from learning their jobs, I'll listen. As it stands it's made my time in ffxi a hell of a lot easier because I can party with friends or lsmates of any level whenever I wish, not to mention actually get a party in a reasonable amount of time. I'm not the best player but damned if I'm gonna blame that on Level Sync. Anybody who got "dumbed down" by Level Sync was an idiot already. PEBKAC
People not paying attention to my /seacom grinds my gears. Chain 6 as a DRG/BLU with nothing but FOV Refresh, however, makes my day ^^ Still think I coulda made 7 if there had been another mob nearby >.>


ok lemme explain this to you via a ex.

PLD job:

JA: Invincible (lvl 1)
Holy Circle (lvl 5)
Shield Bash (lvl 15)
Sentinel (lvl 30)
Cover (lvl 35)
Rampart (lvl 62)

PLD sword skill cap at 20(using someone who dings 75 in dunes): Sword skill 63
" Shield skill cap at 20: Shield skill cap is also 63 (both A+)

So a PLD who level sync in dunes will have his overall jobs skills extremely gimped (1)

a PLD in dunes will only have the experience of fighting mobs in the dunes

a PLD in the dunes will only have access to a few Job Abilities...so he won't learn how to
properly use the others (lack of experience)

Also since the PLD doesn't need access to other areas since he level sync in dunes onry he wont get:

Kazham airship pass
Access to ToAU

I can keep going really...

edit: oh yeah he won't need to buy all the other spells after lvl 20
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2009-04-27 16:29:11  
Level Sync hurts Plds if the Pld is not the one being sync'd to. A Pld really, really needs his/her skills to be up to date, especially Shield. Level Sync made parties easier, but also flooded exp camps.

I have mixed feelings about it, but in all I like it.

Simply said - it makes leveling faster and efficient. It doesn't make people noobs - it's people that let newer players constantly level sync without saying "Hey, you are Lv40 in the dunes with Lv15 gear, have you heard of this place called Jeuno?" instead of "What a noob hahaha gtfo FFXI lol" and walking away.
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-04-27 16:43:09  
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ok lemme explain this to you via a ex. (cont.)


I think everyone can agree that someone constantly syncing below their actual level, and not taking the time to skill up is being dumb. I did it myself once, with DNC...got about 8 levels ahead of where my daggers shoulda been, and it was painful skilling that ***up afterwards. Painful enough that I know better then to do that ever again...

Good players will take the time every few levels to get their skillz capped; obviously some jobs have it easier then others as far as that goes (my horribly underskilled WHM can attest to that) but it's really not that hard to do unless you let it go for too long. Now that I'm in the 70's, I spend most of my actual exping in campaign, and focus on skilling up close to the end of the level...makes it quicker for me anyways, and soloable.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-04-27 16:49:42  
The above examples all go back to PEBKAC. If the idiot's gonna stay in Dunes well hey he's in Dunes and I'm elsewhere, not my problem. I've seen idiots who get to 40 and even 50+ who still don't know how to play a tank job, are you saying they didn't exist before Level Sync? No way, it's just easier to identify some of them now.

As a player whose first job was BLM, I can tell you that the only way Level Sync hurt my skills was I didn't have to go solo until around 40 so it took me a while to develop the skillset for "oh ***" situations. First couple of times I did missions I was dead weight because I had no clue, yeah, but that's the fault of inexperience, not Level Sync.

Fyyvoaa: you don't have to accept those invites ;) I just picked up DRG again, soloed past Qufim and then put my flag up with the /seacom:
{Level Sync} 25+ {I'm interested.}
i turned down 3 invites to Qufim before I got invited to a Yuhtunga Jungle party. The moment I got out of there I went out and soloed again to cap my polearm skill.

I will admit that it hurts PLD simply because Shield skill is a pain to recap, but they have the option of only syncing to their level or at most like 1 level lower. Those that care will make the effort to keep skills capped and thus only benefit from level sync. Those that don't likely wouldn't have made the effort to play the job properly anyway and thus might have barely coasted through because at least back then their skills would have stayed capped.

tl;dr: Good players were at most only slightly hurt by level sync and overall they benefitted imo. Bad players got worse, sucks for them.
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By Bahamut.Fyyvoaa 2009-04-27 17:05:57  
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The above examples all go back to PEBKAC. If the idiot's gonna stay in Dunes well hey he's in Dunes and I'm elsewhere, not my problem. I've seen idiots who get to 40 and even 50+ who still don't know how to play a tank job, are you saying they didn't exist before Level Sync? No way, it's just easier to identify some of them now.

As a player whose first job was BLM, I can tell you that the only way Level Sync hurt my skills was I didn't have to go solo until around 40 so it took me a while to develop the skillset for "oh ***" situations. First couple of times I did missions I was dead weight because I had no clue, yeah, but that's the fault of inexperience, not Level Sync.

Fyyvoaa: you don't have to accept those invites ;) I just picked up DRG again, soloed past Qufim and then put my flag up with the /seacom:
{Level Sync} 25+ {I'm interested.}
i turned down 3 invites to Qufim before I got invited to a Yuhtunga Jungle party. The moment I got out of there I went out and soloed again to cap my polearm skill.

I will admit that it hurts PLD simply because Shield skill is a pain to recap, but they have the option of only syncing to their level or at most like 1 level lower. Those that care will make the effort to keep skills capped and thus only benefit from level sync. Those that don't likely wouldn't have made the effort to play the job properly anyway and thus might have barely coasted through because at least back then their skills would have stayed capped.

tl;dr: Good players were at most only slightly hurt by level sync and overall they benefitted imo. Bad players got worse, sucks for them.


I generally DO turn down those invites due to the fact that noone seems to read /seacom, the only time I will accept a low level sync is if: A) I'm low enough that I don't care B) it's a burn party (Only applies to BLM for me) and C) if I have been sitting there for 4+ hrs without a invite and I am just DESPERATE for exp.
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2009-04-27 17:09:54  
You all are noobs that grind my gears.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-04-27 17:11:17  
Agreed on the manaburns, though I generally don't go lower than a Vunkerl Inlet (S) party. I'm never sitting for hours lfp, I'm always doing something else (usually farming or soloing) so if I don't get a good invite for hours it really doesn't bother me, I'm getting exp or gil so my time is not wasted.
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