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Why is religion even brought up in this context. This is local culture not related at all with Islam.


Ignorances....

I didn't bring up religion.

sorry I'm in a good mood and saw that in the kclub thread and couldn't resist :D

wow Spic, are you serious? NEITHER of the passages you quoted state that it is ok or that one should keep slaves, Jesus is addressing the issue because he knows it happens, not because he wants it to happen and continue to happen.


Ok first of all, the scripture actually says "bring them out so we shall KNOW them", now.... in the original language it was translated from "know" could mean one of two things, 1. Know who they are 2. Have sex with them, and it's not certain which it should be translated to. Assuming it was sex even, 1. How do you know the angels were men? 2. The angels were sent down way AFTER God had decided to destroy Sodom. 3. It still nowhere mentions homosexuality as the basis for his decision. You have proved NOTHING, but I'm sure in your own head you totally pwned that point, right? No.

@Jet, knew that would come up and you kinda have a point but consider this as one of a handful I could and will mention when I get time: The Jews are about to stone a woman accused of adultery and ask Jesus if it is wrong, he replies "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" and not one can accuse her and punish her. In the Law (Levitical laws) it is 100% positive she would have been rightfully killed, but Jesus disagreed with that, so how could he both 1.Overwrite a Levitical law. 2.Attain to ALL Laws and believe none should or will ever be overwritten? They are incompatible if you take both as their literal meaning, Jesus does not mean that we should attain to the Laws to the extent that they are FOREMOST over the new covenant and teachings he bought, to love thy neighbour, others as oneself, humility etc. You can't just throw random scripture in and say ZOMG LOOK I R WRITE, you have to understand the meaning behind it etc before it has any basis for an argument.

Or you could look up the quote on google, go to a bible website, and then use the arguments that you found there. And then say you understand it.

And what is so wrong with orgies, too?
One, you are assuming that everyone wants to be free. Some normal people are perfectly happy having someone else make all their decisions for them and providing for them. And no, that is not talking about nutcases. What the hell does love have to do with slavery?
I'm happy you think that you are an idiot? /shrug

Boom earthquake!

I never got it from a website, I saw it discussed in a debate in a video I saw on YouTube, try again.

Of course everyone wants to be free, to depend on someone is not to be their slave. I am more intelligent than you, prove me wrong.

easy, he was a hypocritical *** and he wanted the *** kept alive for his own selfish reasons

o.o

Mornin' Jet

Hey, you are the one calling yourself an idiot. Read what you wrote.

Please, prove that everyone wants to be free.

Logical proof. Not Youtube proof.

They were punished because they continued to disobey the law at that time (the 10 Commandments).

....It didn't exist at the time. The story about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah occurred in Abraham's time (Lot being Abraham's nephew), which is all before the 12 tribes of Israel, which is a bit before enslavement in and exodus from Egypt, which is before the Ten Commandments and Mosaic law.

I can't tell if your serious or not.... entertaining none the less..

context:

You are 9 years old, it is late at night, you are in your bed under confortable sheets trying to fall asleep after a good night story from your mom. You suddenly hear noises in your mother and father's room so you decide out of curiosity to go check out whats happening. You dont know anything about sex and why it is done, you walk in and find the following:

A. Your mother taking it hard in the *** by some guy you dont know while another guy is satisfying her from below, all of this while she is sucking your father off. The guy behind your mother tells you to go to bed while your father nodes to it.

B. Your mother and father in a kinda of a strange position on the bed breaking their swet. Your father tells you to go back to bed.

Choose which situation's explanation the morning after it has happened would make you grow up in a more normal matter.

so did Sodom get fire bombed cz they were ***? or for something else?

No, I'm not, because I do understand it and don't make fallacious points.

I don't need to prove it, it's common sense.

The logic you are using is NO different than for me to say that if you claim Evolution is real that you cannot use Charles Darwin's theory to substantiate it because it is not your proof. The research I educate myself from is not a random guy on YouTube, that is just one of the places where I have seen professors in Christian theology that know Aramaic explaining mis-translations. I do wish there was some intelligence out there.

The sexuality of the Sodom story is really inconsequential. I had a professor who used to argue that the whole story was meant to teach hospitality.

Two angels (dressed as travelers) go to Sodom. Lot and his family respond to the travelers by taking them in, feeding them, etc. The rest of the city reacts to the presence of the travelers by forming a mob and demanding that Lot send the travelers out so they can "know" them.

The Hebrew verb which roughly translates to "know" is used in many different ways throughout the Old Testament (not just two ways as Starr stated before). In this passage it is quite likely an unspecific way of saying that the people of Sodom want to do wicked things to the travelers--steal their belongings, murder them, and maybe even rape them. However, even if rape is implied, it's not the point of the story, it's just a detail of their wickedness.

According to Genesis 18, what they were doing was defined as sin. But, as most Biblical scholars point out, the point is--ironically--to illustrate God's mercy, as Abraham asks, "'May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten [righteous men] can be found there?' [God] answered, 'For the sake of ten [righteous men], I will not destroy [Sodom and Gomorrah].'"

I've edited it for context, but if you want to read the entire passage, it's Genesis 18-19.

In a way, it's sort of an illustrative microcosmic version of the Christian perspective of God and humanity. And I'm sure both sides will bring up the same arguments in either microcosmic or macrocosmic aspects.

-edit- And what Wombat said. XD

Also doesn't imply that God destroyed Sodom because of homosexuality.

You do realize that at this point in time a child didn't have their own room for the most part? Their parents had sex in the same room with them. Maybe it's weird from our point of view but until only a few hundred years ago everyone -except the seriously wealthy- slept in the same room together to conserve the amount of fuel needed to heat the place or if they couldn't afford fuel for body heat. The animals also slept in there in the winter time.

In Genesis 19:13 it states that it is the outcry against the wickedness that elicited a response from God. But that's just indirectly implying that the "wickedness" is the cause.

oh silly me, im terribly sorry, disregard my relatively clever way of stating why orgies are bad and why sexual deviance should be shunned. My ignorance in the housing mechanics of the "back in the days" has proven me wrong. Ill admit to my ignorance, so long live orgies and the bible is bad guyzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ninja edit: no picking on ya, just being unreasonably extremist like some ppl in this thread for the sake of sarcasm.