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NIN TP set/s
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-03-17 14:36:19
Do I really have to stalk you guys every day and keep you guys in line? It's well within your abilities to correct someone without resorting to blatant insults.
"Wrong" is not an insult. It as in observation and it is far more *** annoying to have false information spread because someone thinks they're right.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2012-03-17 14:38:04
Do I really have to stalk you guys every day and keep you guys in line? It's well within your abilities to correct someone without resorting to blatant insults.
"Wrong" is not an insult. It as in observation and it is far more *** annoying to have false information spread because someone thinks they're right. I'd have to say that repeating it *counts* 104 times, is pretty insulting. Again, let me repeat that you can easily prove your point once and be done with it without resorting to insults.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-03-17 14:39:08
Beats having to say it in 104 posts. It's still not an insult.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-17 14:39:46
And I'd say calling my math wrong without even attempting to prove it is pretty *** insulting too. I guarantee if Nightfyre posted the same math, dude wouldn't have said anything.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-03-17 14:40:13
you can easily prove your point once and be done with it without resorting to insults.
Except the point was proven, and has been previously proven. Yet, they still won't accept the simple fact that they are not correct.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2012-03-17 14:41:01
Beats having to say it in 104 posts. It's still not an insult. Then this is where I get to say I'm a mod, and you're not. Carry on the discussion--and if you can't do so without disparaging other players, then I'm here to make sure you don't post here again.
Except the point was proven, and has been previously proven. Yet, they still won't accept the simple fact that they are not correct. Then why do you find the need to continue posting?
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-17 14:41:14
The real insult is to the NIN job as a whole. He claimed to have accuracy problems on DCs.
Melee BLMs are capping accuracy on DCs :(
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-03-17 14:44:08
Except the point was proven, and has been previously proven. Yet, they still won't accept the simple fact that they are not correct. Then why do you find the need to continue posting?
Because people see "information" that they believe to be useful and follow the "advice" to construct their TP sets and subsequently inform others of their "knowledge" and then we have hundred of Kaerins circulating.
Unless, of course, it is clarified that they actually aren't making a valid point.
By Kaerin 2012-03-17 14:44:51
Except the point was proven, and has been previously proven. Yet, they still won't accept the simple fact that they are not correct. Then why do you find the need to continue posting? They keep posting because I used their faulty math and corrected it to prove I was right.
And now they have nothing.
Oops, accidently looked at this thread and posted in it again. =[
I've also argued against Nightfrye before.
And how you can all fight DCs and not cap crit rate is just sad. I pity you.
EDIT: Reading comprehension is good too, I said if you can't easily cap crit rate, you should be adding accuracy because it will most likely not be capped as well.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2012-03-17 14:45:39
Except the point was proven, and has been previously proven. Yet, they still won't accept the simple fact that they are not correct. Then why do you find the need to continue posting?
Because people see "information" that they believe to be useful and follow the "advice" to construct their TP sets and subsequently inform others of their "knowledge" and then we have hundred of Kaerins circulating.
Unless, of course, it is clarified that they actually aren't making a valid point. Then we'll leave that to the discretion of the players--not you--who happen to read this thread, and hope to God that they follow substantiated advice.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-17 14:46:21
Except the point was proven, and has been previously proven. Yet, they still won't accept the simple fact that they are not correct. Then why do you find the need to continue posting? They keep posting because I used their faulty math and corrected it to prove I was right.
And now they have nothing.
Oops, accidently looked at this thread and posted in it again. =[
I've also argued against Nightfrye before. And how you can all fight DCs and not cap crit rate is just sad. I pity you. Even if Byakko's put you at exactly 50 dDEX, would not even be 1% increase over Koga +2, without Shinobi Ring.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-17 14:47:27
So you cap dDEX on VW mobs? Doubt it. Guess you don't cap acc either, sucks to be you.
By Kaerin 2012-03-17 14:48:08
Except the point was proven, and has been previously proven. Yet, they still won't accept the simple fact that they are not correct. Then why do you find the need to continue posting? They keep posting because I used their faulty math and corrected it to prove I was right.
And now they have nothing.
Oops, accidently looked at this thread and posted in it again. =[
I've also argued against Nightfrye before. And how you can all fight DCs and not cap crit rate is just sad. I pity you. Even if Byakko's put you at exactly 50 dDEX, would not even be 1% increase over Koga +2, without Shinobi Ring.
Better is better.
Also, you're carrying around byakkos already anyway, why make and carry around AF2+2 when theyre inferior?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-17 14:49:13
Except the point was proven, and has been previously proven. Yet, they still won't accept the simple fact that they are not correct. Then why do you find the need to continue posting? They keep posting because I used their faulty math and corrected it to prove I was right.
And now they have nothing.
Oops, accidently looked at this thread and posted in it again. =[
I've also argued against Nightfrye before. And how you can all fight DCs and not cap crit rate is just sad. I pity you. Even if Byakko's put you at exactly 50 dDEX, would not even be 1% increase over Koga +2, without Shinobi Ring.
Better is better. Reading comprehension is good. You'd need to hit EXACTLY 50 dDEX with your set, no more, no less. Otherwise, it's worse. Must suck fighting mobs with only 84 AGI, guess that's why you're not very good, fighting worse than dynamis mobs.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-17 14:49:37
Because they're not inferior 99.9% of the time.
By Kaerin 2012-03-17 14:51:55
Because they're not inferior 99.9% of the time. At least I'm not advertising inferior sets as the best.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-17 14:52:17
Because they're not inferior 99.9% of the time. At least I'm not advertising inferior sets as the best. You are, 99.99% of the time your set is worse.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-03-17 14:53:09
As far as NIN being a relevant DD, it pretty much ends at dynamis. Koga pants set is going to be better regardless in dynamis, and you have the ability to use shinobi ring with ease. You still won't be capping ddex on DC mobs, and you won't have accuracy issues.
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By Kaerin 2012-03-17 14:53:48
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »As far as NIN being a relevant DD, it pretty much ends at dynamis. Koga pants set is going to be better regardless in dynamis, and you have the ability to use shinobi ring with ease. You still won't be capping ddex on DC mobs, and you won't have accuracy issues.
This set easily trumps your AF2+2 leg set and is most likely the best possible without marches.
This set with AF1+1 body sometimes caps my crit rate on poopy lame stuff like dynamis, and this actual set listed with AF3+2 body always has.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-17 14:54:33
You need ~142 DEX (on average) to cap Crit Rate vs. DCs in Dynamis. It obviously varies from mob to mob, but the average AGI is 92.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-03-17 14:55:06
I happily await a set that beats a capped haste koga pants set, good luck.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-17 14:56:32
I'd also like to point out that I didn't just make that number up. But, since we're not proving things, I won't.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-17 14:58:18
I'm right 0.01% of the time, therefor I'm right all of the time.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-17 15:06:18
If you use shinobi, ninja chainmail would still beat Thaumas.
And your set with iga would still be behind your set with chainmail.
By Kaerin 2012-03-17 15:13:39
If you use shinobi, ninja chainmail would still beat Thaumas.
5% DW beats 12 accuracy 3% QA 3% TA 3% DA 5 STR and 5STP? Maybe if the 5% DW caps your delay reduction it stands a chance, but not with just haste.
And your set with iga would still be behind your set with chainmail.
Except for that whole little thing where if AF1+1 body isn't capping my crit rate, 99% of the time I also need to equip the AF3+2 body to cap my acc. If most of the AF3+2 body is having an effect on damage output, it is better then AF1+1.
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2012-03-17 15:15:25
My head hurts.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-17 15:15:37
We're talking dynamis mobs, I'm sorry you're having such a hard time capping acc.
And yes, 5% DW would if you don't need the accuracy.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-17 15:15:45
Quote: Except for that whole little thing where if AF1+1 body isn't capping my crit rate, 99% of the time I also need to equip the AF3+2 body to cap my acc.
If you're not capping Acc on DCs in Dynamis, then you don't have capped Katana skill. I don't care what your dDEX is.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-17 15:17:55
Since you're such a badass, we'll step up to red curries.
We'll assume EXACTLY 50 dDEX for your set.
So 35 for this one.
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I have been trying to find sets listed for TP but the newest I could find from November/December, I only see items sets about Jin/Hi. I know not a ton has changed since then but there has/had been new findings on DW and now with the +2 sets I would think it could change things.
Goal?
First off I don't even know how much the set bonus from +2 for DW is. For Ammo I didn't even really know what to put so I stuck that in there, I can't afford the White Tathlum
1. Is it worth using the entire set to TP in sacrificing possible haste gear for HANDS and making up the haste in neck?
2. Or would it be better to use AF1 Chainmail + Dusk Gloves and then using something else in Neck?
3. In either case is suppa going to be marginally better or much a difference over Iga earring?
I have a long way to go still (prioritizing on getting Rajas when not busy with LS) but want to make sure I am aiming in the right direction. I also don't want to buy Tiercel if I would have been better off getting more haste out of another slot (would sure be cheaper) and not worrying about the DW bonus from the +2 set.
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