Idk I just don't see what other people see when they talk about older games like they are god compaired to what we have now... I didn't play many games growing up so I've been going back and trying alot lately and I'm not finding anything that makes them any better then what we get now.
I just finished FF4 for example, it took 22 hours and only got killed twice. Story was all right and it was fun to see the first atb (I think right?) but I can't really say it was any better (or worse) then the more recent entries.
Part way through FF5 and I have to go back to that at somepoint but again I havn't been blown away. Chrono trigger I started but nothing was able to keep me at it so it's also on the todo list.
Part of the problem is we are now more mature as gamers than we used to be. Challanges that before would have given us problems we can solve no problem now and the same goes for boss fights. We have seen so many storys and known so many characters that we can't help but find the similarities and call them repeats or pick apart a character because they don't appear to be what we want them to be. I love FF7, 8, Legend of Dragoon etc, but as soon as I step away from the nostalga factor the flaws in the argument of them being better then current games becomes apparent. FF7 for example isn't much less liniar then FF13, the only points where it breaks is the fort condor mini game and if you go and let Yuffie steal your materia. Other then that the path through the story is very straight forward and theres nothing to be had thats not on your path anyways. From the time you get the airship > the time you finish is about the same ammount of stuff on the side as FF13.
Next on my list of old games is FF6 or Arc the Lad(1) so will see how that goes.
If you can complete everything in 13 in 20 hours, I think you deserve a medal. I'd never be able to blow through the story and beat all 64 Cie'th Stones in such a short time.
I didnt 100% it,I've done almost all of the stones except for maybe 6 or 8.Havent bothered will all achievements,but alot of them came naturally as I was levelling and ***for some of the stones.I didnt feel the game was worth my time to 100% in every way
Don't forget that FF9 was so short, the developers expected people to finish it in under 12 hours; they even added a reward for it.
Also, play FF6. Great story. :3
I just don't see how it's possible while still getting everything, still think it's *** that that game doesn't have a new game+ (somebody needs to hack it in) and hack out the jump rope minigame, stupid JP onry crap.
Idk I just don't see what other people see when they talk about older games like they are god compaired to what we have now... I didn't play many games growing up so I've been going back and trying alot lately and I'm not finding anything that makes them any better then what we get now.
I just finished FF4 for example, it took 22 hours and only got killed twice. Story was all right and it was fun to see the first atb (I think right?) but I can't really say it was any better (or worse) then the more recent entries.
Part way through FF5 and I have to go back to that at somepoint but again I havn't been blown away. Chrono trigger I started but nothing was able to keep me at it so it's also on the todo list.
Part of the problem is we are now more mature as gamers than we used to be. Challanges that before would have given us problems we can solve no problem now and the same goes for boss fights. We have seen so many storys and known so many characters that we can't help but find the similarities and call them repeats or pick apart a character because they don't appear to be what we want them to be. I love FF7, 8, Legend of Dragoon etc, but as soon as I step away from the nostalga factor the flaws in the argument of them being better then current games becomes apparent. FF7 for example isn't much less liniar then FF13, the only points where it breaks is the fort condor mini game and if you go and let Yuffie steal your materia. Other then that the path through the story is very straight forward and theres nothing to be had thats not on your path anyways. From the time you get the airship > the time you finish is about the same ammount of stuff on the side as FF13.
Next on my list of old games is FF6 or Arc the Lad(1) so will see how that goes.
In the end, it really all comes down to semantics and what games contain elements that an individual player finds particularly enjoyable, or memorable. For me, it just so happens that older games were particularly more interesting, developed, and memorable. If we were to ignore the eye of the beholder and critically analyze each and every RPG from then to now, we probably would come across many similarities both in flaws and virtues alike. But doing that kind of takes away from the whole underlying purpose of playing an RPG. It's grandiose escapism set in a fictional world that you get to explore and discover behind the eyes of someone new each time.
To scrutinize any game with over analyzed critical criticism takes away more and more from what a game should do in the first place. Yet at the same time, lingering in one's rose tinted nostalgia glasses leaves little room to improve or even accept things for the future, which is equally if not more so detrimental to the game industry. Ideally, somewhere in the middle is an ideal position to take on old and modern games. A great deal of respect and fundamental enjoyment for games of old, and a mutual acceptance of how things have changed and shaped to the modern world of wide demographs of gaming, yet critical enough to recognize flaws and knowing how and where they can be improved.
With all that said, I still recommend:
Chrono Trigger
Chrono Cross
FF4-9 & Tactics
Earthbound
Lufia 1 & 2
Secret of Evermore
Golden Sun
Dragon Quest/Warrior (depending on regionization)
Breath of Fire series
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
Tales of Phantasia
Secret of Mana
Illusion of Gaia
Fire Emblem series
I just don't see how it's possible while still getting everything
Only way is to leave the game on long enough that the play time runs over maximum and resets.
Otherwise, you have to skip every side-quest and missable item in the game just to barely make it in time. Using some kind of glitch to skip the cutscenes is recommended, too.
Don't forget that FF9 was so short, the developers expected people to finish it in under 12 hours; they even added a reward for it.
Also, play FF6. Great story. :3
6 imho has the second best story. I don't think any FF title beats 4's story. Cecil's story of redemption is so awesome.
I'm glad the reboot did it some justice, because when I played the original (FF2 regionization), I kept telling myself how much more amazing this game would be if it had the capacity for putting everything on a slightly more elevated scale, especially with dialog.
It was like polishing a gemstone, you know it was still beautiful and valuable despite the initial appearance, but when cut, refined, and polished, it reached it's true potential in beauty.
Nice analogy and all, but I really did like the original as it was. The PS1 remake kept it the exact same, but added a dash button (which was great) and I *** HATED the DS remake of FF4.
Nice analogy and all, but I really did like the original as it was. The PS1 remake kept it the exact same, but added a dash button (which was great) and I *** HATED the DS remake of FF4.
I have to admit, the DS version was... awkward, yet well presented.
However, I find the PSP version to be the best because it touches up everything without altering the core of the game at hand, and even leaving the option of keeping the unaltered soundtrack in all of it's retro glory.
Well the PS1 version wasn't really that different than the SNES. I only remember the dash button added (and the "extras" you unlock for beating it or w/e like the soundtrack and stuff). The DS remake was ***... It added entire scenes to the game, and those new abilities pissed me off. The original game didn't need them, so the newest version definitely should not have. I didn't even like the updated graphics. Rydia looked like a 15yr old stripper at the end of the game...wtf
This is a thread that I found on another website I post at. It can be really really interesting. I thought it deserved a place here.
Post your random thoughts for the day here, or anything else that intrigues you.
For starters, is it possible to give constructive critism to someone who doesn't have a neck? I totally just walked by a girl who didn't. Someone isn't getting a necklace for Valentines day!
And who decided black and white can't be colors? I want to say a racist. I really do.