Becoming The Best

Varuna is still a big increase in damage. Can't think of a piece that would get you a bigger boost. Dark staff? for Drains? oO I don't even use drain/aspir anymore really. Never needed

I'm unaware of a diminishing return on MAB. I'm aware of a diminishing return on INT. Can you link some sites that show calculations about the MAB diminishing return?

Gl with that tho.

there is no such thing as the best,at best you can become equal to the other top blm's(i.e by getting the best gear in game).
unless you have some to secret gear we dont know about that is "ZOMG i pawn youz all!"

This should explain it a bit. I can scan you parts of my economic book, but I think I sold it...

Theory (especially when dealing with economic theory) is not the same thing as an example of actual calculations. Which is why I asked for the calculations for this problem.

I can give you a more thorough derivation if you desire, but using number substitution:

MAB part of the damage equation is

MAB/MDB, and this is multiplicative. Note MAB starts at 1.00 here.

Assuming MDB of 1.00 to simplify matters (though it is easy to prove that the result is independent of MDB), your increase in MAB is given by the ratio of your new MAB and old MAB, eg 5 MAB to a 0 base => 0.05/1 = 5% increase in damage of this term. However, add this same 5 MAB to a 50 base and you get 0.05/1.5 = 3.33% increase in damage of this term... etc. Decreasing returns.

MAB Rate of return ((mab(f)-mab(i))/(mab(i))
0.01
0.02 100.000%
0.03 50.000%
0.04 33.333%
0.05 25.000%
0.06 20.000%
0.07 16.667%
0.08 14.286%
0.09 12.500%
0.10 11.111%
0.11 10.000%
0.12 9.091%
0.13 8.333%
0.14 7.692%
0.15 7.143%
0.16 6.667%
0.17 6.250%
0.18 5.882%
0.19 5.556%
0.20 5.263%
0.21 5.000%
0.22 4.762%
0.23 4.545%
0.24 4.348%
0.25 4.167%
***
0.50 2.041%
***
1.00 1.010%
***
655.35 0.002%


RoR
MAB

Ok, thanks! Running figures and playing around with formula.

ok I've updated my idle set a bit.. added a -5% PDT cape and the sorc earring. Other then the augmented dark rings is there anything else i can use for -pdt? (if not then im going to work on a refresh set).

Also if anyone has any tips for my other sets im still open for them.

Overall, your gear sets look excellent to me.

Since you asked, a few suggestions for possible upgrades:

Dark set: Nashira Manteel
INT set: Augur's Jaseran
Enfeebling set: Macero Grip, Portent Pants
Nuke set: Searing Cape?

While MAB isn't as good in abyssea neither is int and 10 MAB will pretty much beat 7 int any day

Um not much for blm. Succor ring for 3% DT, patronus for 2% pdt, jelly for 5% pdt um defending ring... be much easier to comment if you had your sets in the OP so we could just look on there instead of having 2 pages open 1 for the response and another going thru each of your sets

ok i'll do that now. how do you post a set?

[itemset ]number of the set[/ itemset]

Op updated Dasva

Enfeebling...

Really lots of things you could add. Macero Grip. goliard feet. macc/int rings/ammo. Portent Pants. Witch sash... but might be more than you need most the time

Dark: Nashira Manteel, Merciful Cape +drain/aspir potency gear, Zelus Tiara, haste belt and then jam as much macc/int in the rest of the slots. If it's for stun just go all out on haste/fastcast then skill/macc/int but you will tend to land just fine without or cant usually

Elemental Enfeebling: I'd probably just use HQ staffs unless they found a tier after 150+ int... some more macc might be nice too.

Nuking: Searing cape, sorc ring, Vivid Strap +1. Latent gear when applicable

HMP:... idk I could look but I can't remember the last time I rested on blm... most my hmp gear is on mules now lol.

Idle: refresh hairpin/pants also good for resting. Some kind of rings for pdt/mdt/dt. Um if you are using sorc ring some more convert hp to mp (you wont have the hp anyways so might as well have the total be lower so if you do take a hit you lose more emnity... and ya know keep more mp maybe I guess). Flawless Ribbon would be an interesting idle peice if you care.

In a roundabout way this kinda reminds me to get rid of my balrhans ring for another since the macc hardly matters anymore and I never get the refresh effect

Isn't there a mab magian staff that you could use to cover all elemental spells? Has like 12 mab I think. Would that be worth doing or is the elemental specific staff more damage?

the only "magian" staff like that is blm mythic. and even then the elemental specific staffs do more damage then that does due to the diminshing returns that MAB has.

Shareeravadi +2. Int +9 mab +12..... LOOK IT UP IT EXISTS

................still not better then the affinty staffs for reasons i've already said. >.>

So u have done test to back up your claim? You didn't even know it existed your credibility is not so hot right now

sefalon read this.

With the magian updates mythic finaly beats the HQ elemental staffs but falls short to the +2 mangian staffs that replaced them. If the mythic can't match them your staff sure as heck can't enther.

Is this a serious post, Sefalon?

Normal everyday HQ level 51 elemental staves have a well-documented hidden effect of element-specific Magic damage +15% and Magic Accuracy of +30.

Unless you're trying to avoid carrying 8 elemental staffs in your inventory, this Shareeravadi +2 is only useful as firewood.

Your credibility isn't so hot right now ...

9 INT and 12 MAB won't come close to an ele stave.....

No.

Elanabelle the elemental staffs don't have MAB they have Magic affinity.

I even did the math for you using a current formula based on conparing a mythic staff that has been fully magian updated to level 90 and a mangian +2 staff:

1.3 = (100 + 50 + y)/(100 + y)

y = 66.6666522222

take away the MAB from the staff and you have a cut off of 16.66~ and that is very easy for a blm to hit. heck our magic attack bouns trait alone lets us already hit that so its doomed before we even begin.

I am not making a case one way or another I asked a question and it seemed I got a basic answer without an explanation. My response would have been avoided if I received a logical response since you are right I would prefer to not have to make a crap load of staffs if the damage output is not that big of a difference. My credibility comment was based on him making the comment of no there is not said staff that I mentioned. I made no claims myself. Gimps are made in this game by listening to other people without doing your own research.

...I posted the test you wanted. What else do you want from me?