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Japan Earthquake/Tsunami
Cerberus.Liandaru
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By Cerberus.Liandaru 2011-03-13 12:26:31
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1721: More on the Tokai nuclear power plant: A report submitted to the Ibaraki prefectural government by the Japan Atomic Power Company said that one of the two pumps being used to cool the water of a suppression pool for the plant's nuclear reactor had stopped working, according to the Kyodo news agency. However, the other pump was still working and there was no problem with cooling the reactor, the prefectural government said. All control rods were set in completely at the reactor, it added.
Caitsith.Neonracer
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-13 12:38:21
Asura.Daleterrence said: Remember guys, if you wanna keep on top of it (slightly quicker than I can post, and a video feed) the link is here. It isn't Region Coded, so anyone can watch it.
Even tho im still reading on page 9 and were at 30 somthing...
Thanx Dale.
I'm like the fact that its live, up to date b.c the time is on the tv there.. counting.. and well we are 4-5 hours behind ya...in Canada, On Eastern Ontario, Canada.
Caitsith.Neonracer
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-13 12:41:23
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: Question: If a country becomes uninhabitable during an emergency, do other nations usually reach out and offer more lenient immigration to that country? I mean, in the midst of World War II, did some countries offer refuge to Jews being persecuted, or is it more of an individual to individual kind of offer?
Would probably mean the same, after like it was in WW2, after...
...well that story is 50 something years old, and I kind of don't want to bring it up... some are still afflicted by that...
I would assume, neighbouring countries or partnered countries would lend a hand and do so. I'm sure Prime Minster Harper, Pres. Obama and selected or ALL OF UN would have some form of stimulus and plans of what to do in case of things like this, would happen.
Caitsith.Neonracer
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-13 12:53:07
Wow, I really like this....
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1742: Meanwhile, offers of help to the Japanese government have been pouring in from across the world. Even the poor southern Afghan city of Kandahar is chipping in - its mayor has said it is donating $50,000 to the "brothers and sisters" of Japan. "I know $50,000 is not a lot of money for a country like Japan, but it is a show of appreciation from the Kandahar people," Ghulam Haidar Hamidi told the Reuters news agency.
a war torned area, is donating.. good job!
The wars with Libya, and Afghanistan, should stop effective immediatley, and the world should concentrate on this.
However, this is not a Utopian world, so I highly think this will happen...
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Bahamut.Aeronis
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2011-03-13 13:03:34
Caitsith.Neonracer said: Wow, I really like this.... Quote: # 1742: Meanwhile, offers of help to the Japanese government have been pouring in from across the world. Even the poor southern Afghan city of Kandahar is chipping in - its mayor has said it is donating $50,000 to the "brothers and sisters" of Japan. "I know $50,000 is not a lot of money for a country like Japan, but it is a show of appreciation from the Kandahar people," Ghulam Haidar Hamidi told the Reuters news agency. a war torned area, is donating.. good job! The wars with Libya, and Afghanistan, should stop effective immediatley, and the world should concentrate on this. However, this is not a Utopian world, so I highly think this will happen... Unfortunately, I think a time like this when everyone's focus is on Japan, would be the perfect time for enemy forces to strike
Caitsith.Sai
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By Caitsith.Sai 2011-03-13 13:11:25
Caitsith.Neonracer said: Wow, I really like this....
The wars with Libya, and Afghanistan, should stop effective immediatley, and the world should concentrate on this.
However, this is not a Utopian world, so I highly think this will happen...
Lolwat. Hey Lybia! Stop fighing for your freedom you ***, didnt you hear there was a quake in japan.
You should be focusing on that now, not ousting that lunatic dictator of yours.
Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-13 13:12:19
Caitsith.Neonracer said: Cerberus.Liandaru said: Quote: 1600: At the same time, Malcolm Crick, the secretary of the UN Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation, has told the Reuters news agency: "This is not a serious public health issue at the moment. It won't be anything like Chernobyl. There the reactor was operating at full power when it exploded and it had no containment." Yes, true, chernobyl did not have proper containment, but even though Japan does have containment, does this mean there is enough containment or safety behind it, that it will not become a health and safety issue? Until there is actually parts of the core being shot out into the sky (or burned there stupid graphite fire) there is no real need to worry.
There really is no difference between containment and enough containment. You either have the stuff contained or you don't.
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-03-13 13:14:31
Caitsith.Sai said: Caitsith.Neonracer said: Wow, I really like this....
The wars with Libya, and Afghanistan, should stop effective immediatley, and the world should concentrate on this.
However, this is not a Utopian world, so I highly think this will happen...
Lolwat. Hey Lybia! Stop fighing for your freedom you ***, didnt you hear there was a quake in japan.
You should be focusing on that now, not ousting that lunatic dictator of yours.
Dude, log in. Let's go farm up a Kirin pop.
Unicorn.Moldtech
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By Unicorn.Moldtech 2011-03-13 13:16:14
Caitsith.Neonracer said: Wow, I really like this.... Quote: # 1742: Meanwhile, offers of help to the Japanese government have been pouring in from across the world. Even the poor southern Afghan city of Kandahar is chipping in - its mayor has said it is donating $50,000 to the "brothers and sisters" of Japan. "I know $50,000 is not a lot of money for a country like Japan, but it is a show of appreciation from the Kandahar people," Ghulam Haidar Hamidi told the Reuters news agency. a war torned area, is donating.. good job! The wars with Libya, and Afghanistan, should stop effective immediatley, and the world should concentrate on this. However, this is not a Utopian world, so I highly think this will happen...
Yea if these folks are doing their best to help jp any place else not doing their best should be ashamed of themselves.
Caitsith.Sai
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By Caitsith.Sai 2011-03-13 13:16:34
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: Caitsith.Sai said: Caitsith.Neonracer said: Wow, I really like this....
The wars with Libya, and Afghanistan, should stop effective immediatley, and the world should concentrate on this.
However, this is not a Utopian world, so I highly think this will happen...
Lolwat. Hey Lybia! Stop fighing for your freedom you ***, didnt you hear there was a quake in japan.
You should be focusing on that now, not ousting that lunatic dictator of yours.
Dude, log in. Let's go farm up a Kirin pop.
Why you taunts me. I see my avi over your fat taru head as you say that
Caitsith.Sai
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By Caitsith.Sai 2011-03-13 13:19:13
Unicorn.Moldtech said: Caitsith.Neonracer said: Wow, I really like this.... Quote: # 1742: Meanwhile, offers of help to the Japanese government have been pouring in from across the world. Even the poor southern Afghan city of Kandahar is chipping in - its mayor has said it is donating $50,000 to the "brothers and sisters" of Japan. "I know $50,000 is not a lot of money for a country like Japan, but it is a show of appreciation from the Kandahar people," Ghulam Haidar Hamidi told the Reuters news agency. a war torned area, is donating.. good job! The wars with Libya, and Afghanistan, should stop effective immediatley, and the world should concentrate on this. However, this is not a Utopian world, so I highly think this will happen...
Yea if these folks are doing their best to help jp any place else not doing their best should be ashamed of themselves.
Oh snap, so if the mayor of my city donates money I'm off the hook? Well thats good to know.
Caitsith.Neonracer
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-13 15:11:47
JAPAN QUAKE SHIFTED EARTH'S AXIS BY TEN INCHES
I just love how skeptics are pointing blame...its mother nature..
Christ!!!!<facepalm>
People and their personal views, just make me shake my head sometimes..
Caitsith.Taazy
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By Caitsith.Taazy 2011-03-13 15:46:38
Quote: 2042: Professor Patrick Regan, radiation and environmental protection expert from Surrey University, has told the BBC that it appears none of the secure vessels holding radioactive material at the reactors in Japan has broken, and "it looks like the worst is over".
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-03-13 15:48:00
Can't we have Chicago a little more closer to the equator?
Caitsith.Neonracer
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-13 15:48:43
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2044: Professor Regan said when they vented the first reactor at Fukushima on Saturday - triggering the explosion at the plant - "that vapour would almost certainly have had a little bit of radioactive material called nitrogen 16 - which is in all reactors. That decays away very quickly, in 5 to 10 seconds, but if some of the fuel rods - which appears to have been the case - were compromised, some of the radioactive material from the fuel would have got into the steam and that would also have been taken out." So a key question seems to be to what extent the fuel rods had begun to melt down.
Caitsith.Neonracer
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-13 15:49:43
Fenrir.Skarwind said:
Can't we have Chicago a little more closer to the equator?
What are you implying?
Cerberus.Kalyna
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-13 15:50:56
I was hoping the tear would be in Hell, Michigan =(
also no wonder My body's felt a bit off since Friday... I thought It was just me =x
Cerberus.Kalyna
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-13 16:02:13
btw AT&T U-verse is showing NHK (TV Japan) for free for a few days, I heard.
the channel for me is 3680.
Bismarck.Liberata
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By Bismarck.Liberata 2011-03-13 16:03:18
Caitsith.Neonracer said: Cerberus.Liandaru said: Quote:
1600: At the same time, Malcolm Crick, the secretary of the UN Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation, has told the Reuters news agency: "This is not a serious public health issue at the moment. It won't be anything like Chernobyl. There the reactor was operating at full power when it exploded and it had no containment."
Yes, true, chernobyl did not have proper containment, but even though Japan does have containment, does this mean there is enough containment or safety behind it, that it will not become a health and safety issue?
Containment is the big issue. The fuel can meltdown, and as long as it remains in the containment vessel, the public isn't at risk. At this point the reactors that have reached meltdown status are pretty much irreparably ruined and will have to be rebuilt, though.
It's also worth pointing out that much of the death toll associated with Chernobyl can be directly attributed to the government's mishandling of the situation. They took a very long time to get civilians out of the surrounding area, and did not immediately warn them of the dangers -- people were out and about the night of the explosion, watching the pretty (highly radioactive) fire at the plant. I just don't see the Japanese government behaving in such a manner, especially when they've got the world media breathing down their necks.
Caitsith.Taazy
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By Caitsith.Taazy 2011-03-13 16:13:46
Quote: 2103: Japan's Earthquake Research Committee estimates Friday's devastating earthquake forced the tectonic plate on which Japan sits to spring eastward by about 20m (66 feet), says NHK. The researchers also say the quake caused some areas, from Iwate to Fukushima prefectures, to sink up to about 75cm.
Caitsith.Neonracer
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-13 16:18:27
Ya true... I was talking to a few friends who don't play ffxi, and we got debating.. about nuclear issues.. saying that we know quite a bit about starting these nuclear reactors, yes, no problem, but its finding a way to shut these down, faster and safer. You see, building them, and getting them started, seems to be no problem and all.
Its the "how to" getting them shut down fast enough to not become a safety issue, and being called a Nuclear Core and once started, I don't think you can shut them down very easily... its a intense procedure, and I kind of thought you could not shut down a reactor core, once its started.....
just my opinion...
Caitsith.Taazy
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By Caitsith.Taazy 2011-03-13 16:29:07
Quote: 2121: The rolling power outages set to begin on Monday in the region served by Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco) - Tokyo excluding the central area, and the prefectures of Chiba, Gunma, Ibaraki, Kanagawa, Tochigi, Saitama, Yamanashi and part of Shizuoka - will last until the end of April, Japanese news sources are saying. Many Tokyo landmarks will also be dimmed.
Caitsith.Taazy
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By Caitsith.Taazy 2011-03-13 16:46:31
Quote: 2142: Japanese authorities have told the UN nuclear watchdog, the IAEA, that radioactivity levels "at the site boundary" of the Onagawa nuclear power plant have returned to normal, Reuters reports. A state of emergency was declared at the site on Sunday after radioactivity readings exceeding allowed levels in the area.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-13 16:47:53
Things seem pretty quiet right now, I've had the BBC live feed up but it's just been replaying the same stuff. Hopefully the Fukushima problems have finally begun to turn towards resolution.
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By Sylph.Liltrouble 2011-03-13 16:48:31
Caitsith.Taazy said: Quote: 2042: Professor Patrick Regan, radiation and environmental protection expert from Surrey University, has told the BBC that it appears none of the secure vessels holding radioactive material at the reactors in Japan has broken, and "it looks like the worst is over". the worse has yet to be realized, I'm afraid. BBC is now reporting a volcano in southern japan has begun spewing ash and lava
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By Seraph.Gilhaven 2011-03-13 16:57:49
Hmmm...Japan....nuclear radiation levels...just add some baby lizards and we got the making's of some homegrown Godzilla.
Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-13 17:02:12
Caitsith.Neonracer said: Ya true... I was talking to a few friends who don't play ffxi, and we got debating.. about nuclear issues.. saying that we know quite a bit about starting these nuclear reactors, yes, no problem, but its finding a way to shut these down, faster and safer. You see, building them, and getting them started, seems to be no problem and all. Its the "how to" getting them shut down fast enough to not become a safety issue, and being called a Nuclear Core and once started, I don't think you can shut them down very easily... its a intense procedure, and I kind of thought you could not shut down a reactor core, once its started.....
just my opinion... It's actually alot easier to shut them down then start them up usually. Even a full shutdown procedure is much faster. And if something bad is happening you can just drop all the rods and be fully shut down in a second or so. This will pretty much always work unless the path ways are blocked which pretty much means you already had core dmg and things have already melted/buckled/deformed etc. And well even if everyone was braindead or just plain dead automatic protective electronics should force a scram anyways. Even in the event of something like that or recriticality from stuff melting back together and such we can always pump in boron to chemically shutdown the reactor. The problem with that is before you can start it back up you got to pretty much flush every last bit of boron out which is a hassle and a half. Plus you just made alot of nuclear waste you got to dispose of.
Depends on what you mean by shutdown. Yes there will always and forever be nuclear reactions going on. And fission products will continue to decay for a very long time as will activated material such as Co or Mn. Though most of them are done within a couple months. Well most is done within a day but yeah. Heck immediately after shut down you are producing about 7% of whatever thermal output you had before shutdown from just radioactive decay. But that drops off to half a percent after a day. A month or 2 ambient heat losses are enough to the point you actually have to heat the water up to keep it from getting too cool. But then again even before initial startup there were some spontaneous fissions that could go on to cause more. Without these "source" neutrons you couldn't start the reactor up regardless of the control rods without like shooting it with some.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-03-13 17:12:32
Caitsith.Neonracer said: Fenrir.Skarwind said:
Can't we have Chicago a little more closer to the equator?
What are you implying?
Too much F*cking snow this winter :S
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Caitsith.Neonracer
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-13 17:19:59
Fenrir.Skarwind said: Caitsith.Neonracer said: Fenrir.Skarwind said:
Can't we have Chicago a little more closer to the equator?
What are you implying?
Too much F*cking snow this winter :S
I know... It's melting now though... LOL
Caitsith.Taazy
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By Caitsith.Taazy 2011-03-13 17:29:12
Quote: 2224: Planned power cuts in the north-east of Japan have been delayed, Japanese media said. Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco) had originally planned to begin the cuts at 0620 (2120 GMT), but has decided to delay them until about 1000 at the earliest.
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