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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-03-14 22:54:41  
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If anything I feel this is a proponent for nuclear energy.

But I'm no pessimist either.
If a 9.0 earthquake and a 30+ foot tsunami directly striking a ~50 year old last-gen nuclear plant doesn't result in a full-blown massive disaster, it's pretty hard to argue that nuclear energy isn't relatively safe.

I'd like to see any other facility on this planet hold up to that.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-14 22:55:23  
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Sure it could've went worse... it could've went better. In all reality you should have alot of alternatives. Especially for land based reactors.
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One of the fundamental tenets of nuclear power plant design is “Defense in Depth.” This approach leads engineers to design a plant that can withstand severe catastrophes, even when several systems fail. A large tsunami that disables all the diesel generators at once is such a scenario, but the tsunami of March 11th was beyond all expectations. To mitigate such an event, engineers designed an extra line of defense by putting everything into the containment structure (see above), that is designed to contain everything inside the structure.
I know how it works I know other things they could've done. I've kinda studied this for a few years and actually operated one ya know?
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And it seemed at times they placed potential bad PR and slight health risks over reactor safety
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As mentioned previously, steam and other gases are vented. Some of these gases are radioactive fission products, but they exist in small quantities. Therefore, when the operators started venting the system, some radioactive gases were released to the environment in a controlled manner (ie in small quantities through filters and scrubbers). While some of these gases are radioactive, they did not pose a significant risk to public safety to even the workers on site. This procedure is justified as its consequences are very low, especially when compared to the potential consequences of not venting and risking the containment structures’ integrity.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. They waited to vent for awhile because of the small public safety risk. Or at least it sounded like that from the earlier news releases. I seem to recall them waiting till pressure was like 3X normal operating pressure and stuff was pretty much already at the breaking point.
 
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By Titan.Prefalin 2011-03-14 22:55:49  
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Asura.Catastrophe said:
If anything I feel this is a proponent for nuclear energy.

But I'm no pessimist either.
If a 9.0 earthquake and a 30+ foot tsunami directly striking a ~50 year old last-gen nuclear plant doesn't result in a full-blown massive disaster, it's pretty hard to argue that nuclear energy isn't relatively safe.
didnt they get hit with another after that one? tsunami that is o.o
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-14 23:03:15  
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Asura.Catastrophe said:
If anything I feel this is a proponent for nuclear energy. But I'm no pessimist either.
If a 9.0 earthquake and a 30+ foot tsunami directly striking a ~50 year old last-gen nuclear plant doesn't result in a full-blown massive disaster, it's pretty hard to argue that nuclear energy isn't relatively safe.

I'd like to see any other facility on this planet hold up to that.
Nothing else would. THere isn't a need to construct other things that tough lol. And construction like that is very expensive. It is most the cost of the reactors. Which is why despite the fact the fuel goes on forever that they are only slightly more cost effect than most coal plants. But once it's been up and running for awhile....But you never know how people will react. TMI wasn't that bad but it set us back a good 2 decades.

They will see the news and fear stuff they don't understand and completely ignore all the huge problems with other stuff. I mean gulf stream oil spill anyone? At this point this situation probably can't even get that bad unless someone bombed the reactors... or all the major mine accidents.

Or just how much more radiation is released from burning fossil fuels than from nuclear plants... even with this accident there is still probably more released this year from burning coal than all of nuclear power total.

But people love big stories and talking about stuff. However I don't this will cause a huge return to fossil fuels. I doubt we will reverse all the huge restrictions that we have been placing on them for so long. No one wants to have there air look like chinas. Which makes them much less cost efficient.
 
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2011-03-14 23:06:48  
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Asura.Catastrophe said:
If anything I feel this is a proponent for nuclear energy.

But I'm no pessimist either.
If a 9.0 earthquake and a 30+ foot tsunami directly striking a ~50 year old last-gen nuclear plant doesn't result in a full-blown massive disaster, it's pretty hard to argue that nuclear energy isn't relatively safe.

I'd like to see any other facility on this planet hold up to that.
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By Caitsith.Taazy 2011-03-14 23:07:33  
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0402: Higher than normal radiation levels are detected in Tokyo, the AFP is quoting the city government as saying
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-14 23:10:51  
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I anticipate the worst thing that will actually come out of this Fukushima meltdown stuff, is more leverage to keep America dependent on Fossil Fuels. Probably why all the news here is screaming Armageddon, while BBC has had 3 or 4 Nuclear Physicists on saying "eh, no big deal, dun worry about it 'til there's something to worry about."

If anything I feel this is a proponent for nuclear energy.

But I'm no pessimist either.


I've always felt Nuclear power is safe, I don't live particularly far from the San Onofre power station either, so it's not like I say this as "Hey, I'm not near it so whutevs lol!"

I personally agree, that such a disaster couldn't cause an uncontrollable catastrophe is just testament to how safe Nuclear Power is, on top of the perfect storm of cascading *** afterward. The "go to" for Nuclear catastrophe is of course, Chernobyl, but if you read a little bit into it, you can't help but think it was designed to explode in the first place.


however, we seem to be sane, rational people, and in America, that's a minority.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-14 23:13:00  
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I wonder how bad it is...
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By Lakshmi.Aurilius 2011-03-14 23:14:12  
How far away is Tokyo?
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-14 23:15:46  
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Look at just chemical manufacturing in the 80s. I grew up around Kodak's headquarters in the 80s, before it was discovered that the neighborhood I lived in was being flooded with airborne waste. Not to mention all the life in the Adirondack lakes were dying..
I'm not even talking about lack of regulation or understanding either. Even fully regulated and trying to keep stuff safe you could attribute alot more bad stuff to all the other non "green" sources of energy and even alot of them... I mean imagine what would happen if even a 6.0 earthquake hit hoover dam?
 
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0402: Higher than normal radiation levels are detected in Tokyo, the AFP is quoting the city government as saying
I wonder how bad it is...
Again with the no real useful data that can do nothing but stir up fear... they really need to stop that
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-03-14 23:21:47  
Odin.Zicdeh said:
I've always felt Nuclear power is safe, I don't live particularly far from the San Onofre power station either...
Heh. Me neither.

However, I believe the architects of the San Onofre station have imbued it with the power of Dolly Parton, which should protect us from any significant natural disasters.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-14 23:22:11  
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0402: Higher than normal radiation levels are detected in Tokyo, the AFP is quoting the city government as saying
I wonder how bad it is...
Again with the no real useful data that can do nothing but stir up fear... they really need to stop that
Yeah. I feel bad for any of the Teachers from Japan and exchange students who's families were hit with all of this.
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-14 23:25:08  
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I've always felt Nuclear power is safe, I don't live particularly far from the San Onofre power station either,
Wonder if they are hiring... so hard try to find much of anything in my field anywhere near the west coast. :(
 
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-14 23:27:20  
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Higher than normal levels. Lol.

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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-14 23:30:22  
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Odin.Zicdeh said:
I've always felt Nuclear power is safe, I don't live particularly far from the San Onofre power station either,
Wonder if they are hiring... so hard try to find much of anything in my field anywhere near the west coast. :(
http://www.nukeworker.com/job/
Yeah I use that too. But it doesn't always work the best. And sometimes things aren't listed on it... and alot of the stuff is old and outdated lol
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Higher than normal levels. Lol.

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Someone probably was standing too close to there smoke detector or was wearing a divers watch :). The fire going on could potentially increase radiation lvls even if it was just wood burning...
 
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By Valefor.Krishpy 2011-03-14 23:33:33  
CNN is interviewing Yoko Ono now... <.< Because she was in Tokyo years ago during an earthquake... >.> Think I'm done watching that channel now.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-14 23:35:37  
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CNN is interviewing Yoko Ono now... <.< Because she was in Tokyo years ago during an earthquake... >.> Think I'm done watching that channel now.
What's wrong with Yoko Ono!?

She done nothing wrong!

Asura.Catastrophe said:
Reuters said:

(Reuters) - "Minute levels" of radiation have been detected in the Japanese capital, Tokyo, Kyodo news agency said, quoting the metropolitan government.

They had found iodine and cesium but it was not immediately clear if it was linked to the damaged nuclear plant in the northeast.

It also said that radiation levels in Saitama, near Tokyo, were 40 times normal levels, quoting the local government.
ut oh
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-14 23:40:28  
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Valefor.Krishpy said:
CNN is interviewing Yoko Ono now... <.< Because she was in Tokyo years ago during an earthquake... >.> Think I'm done watching that channel now.
What's wrong with Yoko Ono!?

She done nothing wrong!
She broke up the beatles!
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-14 23:41:53  
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Wikipedia said:
The worldwide average background dose for a human being is about 2.4 millisievert (mSv) per year.[3] This exposure is mostly from cosmic radiation and natural radionuclides in the environment (including those within the body).
So its reading 80 millisievert per year?
Assuming that's what they are using for there "normal" lvls. Also think the NRC uses higher numbers.
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