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 Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-24 14:10:40
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Carbuncle.Grandthief said:
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Seriously though people need to stop wsing in rajas in abyssea unless it is a dex modded ws.
Or needed for x-hit. :x
Put 1 more store tp into your tp set. It's almost always possible. but really how many people ride the get exactly 100% tp line?
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2011-03-24 14:13:49
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Carbuncle.Grandthief said:
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Seriously though people need to stop wsing in rajas in abyssea unless it is a dex modded ws.
Or needed for x-hit. :x
Put 1 more store tp into your tp set. It's almost always possible. but really how many people ride the get exactly 100% tp line?

I hate you now I gotta buy a new ring now :(

Damn your logic
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-24 14:14:17
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Same with that spiral. It's even more silly
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By Wafflechan 2011-03-24 14:15:12
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Carbuncle.Grandthief said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Seriously though people need to stop wsing in rajas in abyssea unless it is a dex modded ws.
Or needed for x-hit. :x
Put 1 more store tp into your tp set. It's almost always possible. but really how many people ride the get exactly 100% tp line?
What would you suggest, Vulcan and Strigoi?
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-03-24 14:16:43
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This would be optimal for me.

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Meh why buy a second Pyrosoul when some jack *** has prices inflated as is.

I'd throw on Zahaks mail if I had a Stalwarts up or Chaos Roll.
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2011-03-24 14:17:10
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Carbuncle.Grandthief said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Seriously though people need to stop wsing in rajas in abyssea unless it is a dex modded ws.
Or needed for x-hit. :x
Put 1 more store tp into your tp set. It's almost always possible. but really how many people ride the get exactly 100% tp line?
Meh, like I said earlier here somewhere already, it's kinda hard to rely on those x-hit builds nowadays anyway, due to regain, DAT/TA, ele belts and for DRG the jumps. But one does try to do those sets anyway, for outside aby situations for one thing and I guess out of habit for another thing. :(
Also, like I edited in the other post, I don't think that using rajas instead of a str +6/7 ring is really gonna gimp you out that much. Especially not if you would have to pay millions for those other rings.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-24 14:18:16
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Carbuncle.Grandthief said:
, it's the same like using ethereal instead of a different att earring or bushi instead of something else, only for a very small increase in dmg. I think it's okay to just use what you already have instead of getting ever single item that gives you 1-2 more stats.. It won't make do 20k more dmg. >_>
I wouldn't compare it to ethereal. It's still the best att earring for alot of jobs... granted I wouldn't pick it because of that but if I had picked it would still use it unless you are one of the jobs that can use the 10 att earring. At least on the ws where you'd want some att there. So basically most melee ws that are used now. Unless of course you really want to drop some cash for a 4 stat earring...
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-03-24 14:18:50
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Gotta think outside of abyssea too !
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By Bahamut.Phix 2011-03-24 14:19:05
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Fenrir.Skarwind said:
This would be optimal for me.

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Meh why buy a second Pyrosoul when some jack *** has prices inflated as is.

I'd throw on Zahaks mail if I had a Stalwarts up or Chaos Roll.
i need to get a pyrosoul crafted this week i refuse to pay ah price for it >.>
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2011-03-24 14:23:19
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
I wouldn't compare it to ethereal. It's still the best att earring for alot of jobs... granted I wouldn't pick it because of that but if I had picked it would still use it unless you are one of the jobs that can use the 10 att earring. At least on the ws where you'd want some att there. So basically most melee ws that are used now. Unless of course you really want to drop some cash for a 4 stat earring...
Well, I had like ethereal <> merman's in mind. =o but yea, even centaur[Tab-key] earring would be too much for me only for those 5 ATT. That, indeed, is a big trade off, I'm aware of that but as long as I still have to always take inventory space into account.. I can live with being gimped like that.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-24 14:25:55
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Wafflechan said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Carbuncle.Grandthief said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Seriously though people need to stop wsing in rajas in abyssea unless it is a dex modded ws.
Or needed for x-hit. :x
Put 1 more store tp into your tp set. It's almost always possible. but really how many people ride the get exactly 100% tp line?
What would you suggest, Vulcan and Strigoi?
Obviously strigoi is better but vulcan is still good. Obviously pyrosoul is probably best but right now unless you got the right friends it's alot more expensive. Vulcan about 200k a bit more to make. Pyrosoul is like 900k. Assuming you find the base items on the ah (they sell fast and are often up for more than the going price) it's more like 300k and a bit of time since you need to HQ3 a gem.
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2011-03-24 14:47:26
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So.. we're done here then? xD
Remember, it's FRIDAY soon! =D

Hm, which seat can I take? =o
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-03-24 14:51:22
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
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More crit is always good for crit based ws (especially multihit). Thats exponentially more chances for your 3% to make a difference. Especially when youre stacking crit.
Some conceptual errors here. Crit rate isn't any better for a multi hit ws than a single hit. It is just alot more noticable when you do and don't. It still averages out in the end. And stacking crit has decreasing gains. Also higher pdifs devalue it too. So when you argue the whole capped pdif or close to capped as a reason not to use some str/att peice remember it also devalued your crit rate too

I didn't mean to argue so much as to say "you capped that 15% ddex crit rate already" or whatever the dex value caps at.
The multihit comment was stupid of me and thank you for pointing that out. I knew what i meant but sneaking forum at work makes for hurried posts.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-24 14:55:16
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Stacking dex for crit ws wasn't the greatest even when it did something unless you had an idea of what the mobs agi was. Since it could either do alot or could do next to nothing depending on the range you found yourself in
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2011-03-24 15:12:56
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Stacking dex for crit ws wasn't the greatest even when it did something unless you had an idea of what the mobs agi was. Since it could either do alot or could do next to nothing depending on the range you found yourself in
Ya, before aby you found yourself with really silly setups if you would try to get enough DEX together only for the sake of trying to max your crits. It wasn't worth it.
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By Leviathan.Blackwhirlwind 2011-03-24 15:14:53
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Wouldnt Gnarlded Horn be better for crit stacking?
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By Bahamut.Phix 2011-03-24 15:17:29
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well i use VV/RR/GH or AOA in place of VV just depends
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By Leviathan.Blackwhirlwind 2011-03-24 15:20:51
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i use VV/RR/GH for Ukko's, when ever i get a chance to level drg ill test out drakesbane, have all the gear most ppl suggested and then some
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By Wafflechan 2011-03-24 15:46:53
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Leviathan.Blackwhirlwind said:
i use VV/RR/GH for Ukko's, when ever i get a chance to level drg ill test out drakesbane, have all the gear most ppl suggested and then some
How much do you average with Ukko's?
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By Bahamut.Phix 2011-03-24 15:52:13
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Why does it matter about an uko ws average go post in the war section >.>
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2011-03-24 15:53:47
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Leviathan.Blackwhirlwind said:
Wouldnt Gnarlded Horn be better for crit stacking?
I've tried out VV/RR/GH and VV/RR/Apoc and I liked Apoc a little better. GH did more constant dmg, whereas Apoc helps you in terms of frequency and also with spike-dmg.
I think, even from the maths Apoc should be better overall.
Could even try out RR/GH/Apoc but the loss of STR would prolly hurt too bad.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-24 15:54:15
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A@O is pretty good too. Slightly less triple attack a bit more att.
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2011-03-24 15:55:52
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
A@O is pretty good too. Slightly less triple attack a bit more att.
So whats better math geek!? VV/RR/GH or VV/RR/Apoc (or AaO for Apoc even)?
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-03-24 16:00:03
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Carbuncle.Grandthief said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
A@O is pretty good too. Slightly less triple attack a bit more att.
So whats better math geek!? VV/RR/GH or VV/RR/Apoc (or AaO for Apoc even)?

VV/RR/Apoc (or AaO for Apoc even) is the ***. Especially when a Soul/Spirit Jump Triple Attacks its like 1500-2k damage since it auto crits :Q
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-03-24 16:01:47
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Fenrir.Skarwind said:
Carbuncle.Grandthief said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
A@O is pretty good too. Slightly less triple attack a bit more att.
So whats better math geek!? VV/RR/GH or VV/RR/Apoc (or AaO for Apoc even)?

VV/RR/Apoc (or AaO for Apoc even) is the ***. Especially when a Soul/Spirit Jump Triple Attacks its like 1500-2k damage since it auto crits :Q
Aye thats what i use, trip attack procs ALOT >.>
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-24 16:01:58
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Carbuncle.Grandthief said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
A@O is pretty good too. Slightly less triple attack a bit more att.
So whats better math geek!? VV/RR/GH or VV/RR/Apoc (or AaO for Apoc even)?
Would kinda need to know setups and such. But I'd wager apoc beats GH unless you using multi hit weapon. From a pure damage stand point anyways. I'd so take apoc/AaO over RR though unless it's part of what is making your Xhit work. RR + both triple attack atmas ftw
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-03-24 16:03:18
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Carbuncle.Grandthief said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
A@O is pretty good too. Slightly less triple attack a bit more att.
So whats better math geek!? VV/RR/GH or VV/RR/Apoc (or AaO for Apoc even)?
Would kinda need to know setups and such. But I'd wager apoc beats GH unless you using multi hit weapon. From a pure damage stand point anyways. I'd so ditch VV first though unless it's part of what is making your Xhit work.

So is AoO/RR/Apoc the best pure DD set up?
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-24 16:07:33
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Fenrir.Skarwind said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Carbuncle.Grandthief said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
A@O is pretty good too. Slightly less triple attack a bit more att.
So whats better math geek!? VV/RR/GH or VV/RR/Apoc (or AaO for Apoc even)?
Would kinda need to know setups and such. But I'd wager apoc beats GH unless you using multi hit weapon. From a pure damage stand point anyways. I'd so ditch VV first though unless it's part of what is making your Xhit work.
So is AoO/RR/Apoc the best pure DD set up?
For single hit polearm... maybe. Would really have to do the math. Which could get annoying since what this might come down to is how often you overflow and such. It would certainly get to 100% the fastest and best melee dps. Hmmm actually might win on ws dmg too not sure. God that would be alot of math and I'm about to nap. I'd say parse it.
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By Wafflechan 2011-03-24 16:11:11
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Just dumb imput - I've had my best numbers be VV apoc RR.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2011-03-24 16:13:43
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RR VV AoA rapes for drg ugh! 1860 soul jump!
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