Sirocco Kukri... Mainhand Or Offhand

Hey! Just wanted to get some feedback. I personally offhand mine just wanted to see what others think. Thx ahead of time.

It's an awesome off-hand weapon because of the additional effect and DoT, the only reason you would be main-handing it is if your other weapon had a lower base damage. But then, if your other weapon has lower base damage than that you're doing it wrong.

Use it on puks, people will love you for it.

I'm not a THF, so I can't really say, just wanted to say about the puks.

For the most part, the Sir. Kukri should be off-handed. It's base damage is even less than the Thief's Knife, and it's generally better to have the weapon with higher base damage and delay in the main hand.

However, if you're subbing something other than NIN, the Sir. Kukri can be main-handed in certain situations, such as when soloing magic-casting mobs (the rapid hits mean a greater chance of spell interruption) or for fighting enemies that are weak to magic/wind. It has respectable damage per second, and you may find that it will make up for slightly weaker weaponskills with it's DPS.

The best way to find out it's use is to play around with it and test it in certain situations. While I haven't found a situation where it's better in the main-hand than off-hand, I can't rightfully say such a situation doesn't exist.

but, isn't it better to main this:



and off hand the Kukri?

Always main the dagger with the higher base damage, and offhand the dagger with the lower delay.

Just keep that guideline in mind and you'll be good to go. :D

Since the dmg from your hit is more anyway it really doesn't matter.

Yup.

Well it heals Puks! Good advice buddy ..or lack there of >.>

This was just a thread to show someone who fought me on the idea that S.K./Thf Knife was better than Thf Knife/S.K. I personally would never mainhand it if i'm /nin. And with it's hornetneedle like delay it could be best off hand for Thf Haste setup.

Blau/S.K. FTW!

Prior to the kukri, would Garuda's Dagger make a reasonable offhand dagger or is there something else that should be used?

Umm... the enwind effect on the dagger heals the puk. Don't use the SK period if you're fighting them...

Garuda's Dagger [Main] All Races
DPS: 6.23 DMG:19 Delay:183 AGI+3 Attack+7 Additional effect: Silence
65

Cermet Kukri +1 [Main] All Races
DPS: 7.34 DMG:23 Delay:188
62

Cermet Kukri +1 x2 > Cermet Kukri +1 / Garuda's Dagger

Garuda's Dagger is awful, don't bother getting it.

for even making this thread, quit thf.. lol..

3AGI for TA just means you have 22D rather than 19D for 1 attack every minute.

7Atk is far worse than 4D on a dagger, since 19 => 23 is a 21.1% per-hit damage boost which 7atk is definitely not.

Garuda's dagger is one of the worst weapons of all time. The DMG is just abysmal.

-Ninja edit- All of those avatar weapons are pretty horrible, with the one exception being Ifrit's Blade. Though the DMG is still bad, the added effects more than make up for it.

-Ninja edit #2- The avatar weapons are good for using on their corresponding days for greatly increased added effect proc rates. Otherwise, stay as far away as you can get.



Bungie knows what he's talking about. The only time you should EVER mainhand the weapon with the lower DMG is if it's, say, a weapon with Critical hit rate+ on it (Senjuinrikio is really the only usable single-handed weapon from those KSNMs (Don't use Heart Snatcher)) or if you're using two different weapon types and have to mainhand a certain weapon to get certain WSs (Blau Dolch/Ridill a perfect example. Ridill has the higher DMG but should be offhanded.)

Ah okay, didn't realize how many low delay dagger options there were for offhand. Just looking for the next best thing post Hornetneedle.

Hornetneedle would still be a better offhand choice than Garuda's Dagger.

Hornetneedle vs. Garuda's Dagger

Hmmm, I'd be inclined to go with the 3 DMG increase, 3 AGI for TA base dmg, silence effect and 7 Atk over 33 less delay and 2 less agi for 1 dex imo.

Garuda's dagger would do more damage over time, yes, but Hornetneedle means faster TP. And is that not what we all really want?

True, the TP would be faster but with higher delay comes more TP per hit instead of getting 4 per stab I'd get at least 5.

Below 200 Delay, the lower your Delay is, the faster you gain TP.

Neither is correct, tp and delay are intimate related with 5 tiers depending on the delay of the weapon, higher delay weapons get more tp and attack slower, while lower delay weapons get less tp but attack faster, as close as you are to the next tier, you tp/delay ratio decrease but by a very insignificant amount, please check the following link to get your own tp with any weapon:

TP

Using those formulas:

Hornetneedle would give: 5+((150-180)*1.5/180) = 4.75 TP per hit

Garuda's Dagger would give: 5+((183-180)*6.5/270) = 5.07 TP per hit.

The difference is pretty insignificant but the overall side bonuses of Garuda's Dagger and static 5 TP per hit win me over imo. But it all comes down to a matter of preference in the end.

Maybe you should read more into the thread? I don't know maybe instead of offering your -2 cents... just a thought.

shouldnt even be a question

Well regardless of which two weapons you choose for whichever reason, as Enternius said, the higher base damage should always be in your main hand. The ONLY exceptions to his rule are weapons with crit hit + on them (but heartsnatcher sucks) or if you're using a different weapon type (like ridill or K.club)

ie: TK/SK > SK/TK, end of story :p

It's remarkable(not in a good way, however) that people have managed to turn a fantasy rpg into nothing more than a series of math equations. Kinda sucks the fun out of it, don't you think?

And yes, of course I know the game was created using said equations..but, come on.