SA TA SATA Suggestions

Aias bonnet

If you have Raider's boomerang then don't use tathlum, the TP loss swapping back to rang hurts more than the 5% crit dmg. That and using SA/TA together is pretty weak post 60

1fSTR is 1DMG, Aias will add 2 at best if applicable, it'll break down to the gained attack vs 1D in most cases.

May I ask what your reasoning is behind using SA and TA together? The only reason I can see for doing this is to get some epeen high number on a single WS. Splitting it will give you higher damage overall.

I suppose you could argue that it's useful when sticking hate on a tank, but who uses tanks anymore?

Are these solo SA or TA sets or actual SAWS TAWS or SATAWS sets?

if its solo TA and SA, does factoring in the loss of DPS just not matter to anyone anymore >___>? Or is that moot in abyssea due to massive Crit+DMG out-weighing the maintained balance of SA/TA DPS.

tumbler trunks or heca pants if you need attack. if you're short on str then heca boots give str/dex for sata.

also on a side note: i almost typed "+2 those rogue gloves"
it's been a long day, gentlemen.

Look like pretty sweet sets to me. I haven't done a SATA combo since that trait that changed TA was introduced. In my opinion it's best to keep them separate for the TH building and dropping weaker mobs faster.

Thf is my newest job, so forgive me if I'm overlooking something but why wouldn't you just WS in the TA or SA gear? Assuming of course that you've filled as many slots as possible with the swap?

I mean Stand-alone SA or TA. Without WS is what i was talking about.

The way it works is, When you got to SA or TA, If you completely swap out your gear/armor for SA, You lose your ~30/40% haste/dual wield for 1 Attack round. While its not major, doing it twice every 1 minute it'd add up over time.

So in the old days, People would combine highest DEX/AGI (depending) as well as maintain a solid DPS value to maximum over-all DPS and the Damage of SA/TA.

So you has a SA set, and a SAWS set. Where as the SA set maintained a high DPS Value (Kept Haste near cap/etc) while the SAWS was pure Stats.

Find a better explination somewhere here:

http://shamayaasura.livejournal.com/

Wondering if this practice is moot these days. The blog post is a year or two old, So it may have changed and i just missed it x.x


Are you quoting the wrong person or do you not understand What I'm saying >___>? Read what i wrote above. I tried to explain it better.

Sorry if i was unclear the first time.

Yeah, You'd still switch a few things (Rings, Earrings, back, etc, things that dont have haste/dual wield on them).

There are also some cases where the bonuses far outweigh the over-all DPS gained. For instance, Loki's Kaftan would be the best regardless.

Or something like Empyrean+2 Hands would out-weigh haste gloves in that slot for SA.

It was complicated :( The blog i linked you too has a really good explanation in it somewhere. its a few years out-dated which is why I'm asking if the ideas in it have changed or become out-dated.

Theory makes prefect sense, stat bonuses on gear are bigger which makes the full swap point more credible, BUT considering that players have MUCH MORE Haste/DA/TA & DW options now than before it would be my guess that the argument for two separate sets is stronger now than then.

Anyone know a rough estimate as to the proportional difference between the total dmg in a regular att round vs S/T attack round inside vs outside abyssea? I would think that the difference between the two is greater outside abyssea than it is inside.

Cavaros Mantle too

It's actually the other way around today. Since we have so much haste/dw/da/ta, sa/ta got devalued because we do a lot of damage while they are down, and so, its final contribution to our damage is much lower than what it was at 75.

If you are curious about delay/haste on sa/ta you can check this spreadsheet. It's mathed out nicely there.

Sorry, I haven't used my thf much since rushing it to 90. I didn't even look closely at those boots :x

Also, see this for additional details:

Huh, my solo SA's and TA's only hit about 1000. What am I doing wrong? I'm using RR/GH/Apoc for atmas, and these for my SA and TA set:




Looks like I've got 18 less DEX and 30 less AGI than you, and no Loki's Kaftan for crit. I'm also mainhanding Twilight Knife (on purpose) so that's less damage. But 1000 less damage? Seems odd...