Which Nin Tp Set?

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 Fenrir.Curty
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By Fenrir.Curty 2011-06-04 10:35:22  


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I'm torn between these two sets for inside abyssea assuming you are receiving only haste. Any advice ninjars?
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By Lakshmi.Pandabeary 2011-06-04 10:41:05  
The 2nd set has you at 26% haste, the first set has you well above haste cap. I'd go with the 2nd set.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-06-04 10:42:51  
Lakshmi.Pandabeary said:
The 2nd set has you at 26% haste, the first set has you well above haste cap. I'd go with the 2nd set.

Well above?
It's 24% haste with DW belt vs normal 26% haste setup
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By Asura.Haxetc 2011-06-04 10:44:25  
Second set
No need for the extra 1% haste :P
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By Lakshmi.Pandabeary 2011-06-04 10:45:35  
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Lakshmi.Pandabeary said:
The 2nd set has you at 26% haste, the first set has you well above haste cap. I'd go with the 2nd set.

Well above?
It's 24% haste with DW belt vs normal 26% haste setup

... sorry I saw the icon for Twilight and just assumed that's what it was, didn't actually scroll over it.
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By Asura.Haxetc 2011-06-04 10:47:32  
Lakshmi.Pandabeary said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Lakshmi.Pandabeary said:
The 2nd set has you at 26% haste, the first set has you well above haste cap. I'd go with the 2nd set.

Well above?
It's 24% haste with DW belt vs normal 26% haste setup

... sorry I saw the icon for Twilight and just assumed that's what it was, didn't actually scroll over it.
Same
Still second set is better
You get 5% dw from iga zukin +2
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-06-04 10:57:43  
Also get a little more crit damage, store TP, 2% more double attack and some extra attack.
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By Bismarck.Kuroganashi 2011-06-04 11:25:16  
Fenrir.Curty said:


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I'm torn between these two sets for inside abyssea assuming you are receiving only haste. Any advice ninjars?

ocelot gloves is a MUST

and USe Twilight belt with iga zukin +2 and iga erimaki

also might wanna get enchu +2 for Faster OFF hand TP
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By Fenrir.Curty 2011-06-04 11:35:31  
Never saw that af3 head enhanced dual wield wow question answered.
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By Bismarck.Kuroganashi 2011-06-04 11:37:19  
Fenrir.Curty said:
Never saw that af3 head enhanced dual wield wow question answered.


yea...... HEAD + LEGS + FEET = WIN 100% OVER anything ELSE BRO :D

I use Ocelot Gloves OR Koga Hands (Ninja Tool Exp)

but yea...... Dual wield +55% Haste +27% (CAP is 26% haste)

WIN :D
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By Ragnarok.Jadi 2011-06-04 11:44:38  
I don't understand why you have the higher damage weapon in your sub hand. Is that some kind of mistake?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-06-04 13:20:26  
Fenrir.Curty said:
This one.

Ragnarok.Jadi said:
I don't understand why you have the higher damage weapon in your sub hand. Is that some kind of mistake?
xiah item sets are kinda random about which item goes where for weapons, earrings, and rings.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-06-04 13:22:58  
Bismarck.Kuroganashi said:
Fenrir.Curty said:


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I'm torn between these two sets for inside abyssea assuming you are receiving only haste. Any advice ninjars?

ocelot gloves is a MUST

and USe Twilight belt with iga zukin +2 and iga erimaki

also might wanna get enchu +2 for Faster OFF hand TP
No, just shut the *** up. Ocelot gloves are ***. Deal with it. And deal with the fact Kamome is the best offhand inside of abyssea, no matter what you mainhand.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-06-04 13:24:41  
Bismarck.Kuroganashi said:
Fenrir.Curty said:
Never saw that af3 head enhanced dual wield wow question answered.


yea...... HEAD + LEGS + FEET = WIN 100% OVER anything ELSE BRO :D

I use Ocelot Gloves OR Koga Hands (Ninja Tool Exp)

but yea...... Dual wield +55% Haste +27% (CAP is 26% haste)

WIN :D
I'm sorry, but dual wield caps at 50%, and you don't use koga hands for the ninja tool exp, you use it for the nighttime haste.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-06-04 13:28:10  
Ramuh.Austar said:
dual wield caps at 50%
?

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and you don't use koga hands for the ninja tool exp, you use it for the nighttime haste.
Can use it for both really. Not like there's anything else worth casting debuffs in, and you can generally work it into an Utsu macro too.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-06-04 13:29:49  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ramuh.Austar said:
dual wield caps at 50%
?

Pretty sure I saw somewhere that dual wield is capped at 50%.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-06-04 13:31:07  
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and you don't use koga hands for the ninja tool exp, you use it for the nighttime haste.
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Can use it for both really. Not like there's anything else worth casting debuffs in, and you can generally work it into an Utsu macro too.
Yeah, you can. But kuro is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, and wouldn't know how to do that. I wasn't making it a statement in general, just towards him.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-06-04 13:34:02  
Ramuh.Austar said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ramuh.Austar said:
dual wield caps at 50%
?

Pretty sure I saw somewhere that dual wield is capped at 50%.
Overall delay reduction caps at 80%. Dual wield does not have its own cap.

edit: something screwed up with quotes? nvm
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-06-04 13:37:06  
Phoenix.Kirana said:
Ramuh.Austar said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ramuh.Austar said:
dual wield caps at 50%
?

Pretty sure I saw somewhere that dual wield is capped at 50%.
Overall delay reduction caps at 80%. Dual wield does not have its own cap.

edit: something screwed up with quotes? nvm[/quote]
Yeah, guess so. But thanks for the clarification.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-06-04 13:42:38  
Fair enough.

I've never seen any testing that indicated DW caps at 50% but there's not much practical reason to go beyond 48% (DNC) or 50% (NIN). I don't have Koga Hakama or Nusku's Sash so I can't run out an whack a mob for actual results, could kill Karkinos later though. I'm sure someone else here has the gear to hit 55-61% DW.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-06-04 13:45:37  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Fair enough.

I've never seen any testing that indicated DW caps at 50% but there's not much practical reason to go beyond 48% (DNC) or 50% (NIN). I don't have Koga Hakama or Nusku's Sash so I can't run out an whack a mob for actual results, could kill Karkinos later though. I'm sure someone else here has the gear to hit 55-61% DW.
Yeah, I remember reading something awhile back on it, completely possible to be just a made up number, considering most didn't reach 50% DW back at 75 cap. But it would make sense to cap at 50% if you ask me.
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By Kaerin 2011-06-04 17:29:20  
You actually want this set:


With haidate augemented with crit damage +4, unless you have march, or acc issues.
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By Lakshmi.Zantok 2011-06-04 18:13:34  
Kaerin said:
You actually want this set:


With haidate augemented with crit damage +4, unless you have march, or acc issues.

This.
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By Carbuncle.Tweeek 2011-06-06 15:12:32  
What are people thinking about Agasayas Collar I don't have one, I TP in Iga neck today and once I get a Gorget/Torque I plan on WSing in those.

How is Hope Torque stack up against Iga neck for TP inside/outside? WS onry?
How does it fit into an ideal NINs arsenal, TP outside or something?


P.S. I'm happy without NIN Chainmail +1 Blaze > Shock ^^
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By Kaerin 2011-06-06 16:21:01  
Carbuncle.Tweeek said:
What are people thinking about Agasayas Collar I don't have one, I TP in Iga neck today and once I get a Gorget/Torque I plan on WSing in those.

How is Hope Torque stack up against Iga neck for TP inside/outside? WS onry?
How does it fit into an ideal NINs arsenal, TP outside or something?


P.S. I'm happy without NIN Chainmail +1 Blaze > Shock ^^

If you're crit rate is really low, agasayas is better, if its 25%+, you could debate either one.

And chainmail+1 is for the very small dex/acc increase!
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-06-06 16:23:55  
all these years, and we still have to TP in AF chainmail... pretty crazy considering how that piece has even lasted the test of time over B Haidate (unless you get some radical augments..even then its situational)
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By Sylph.Lazerous 2011-06-06 17:50:08  
How do you test your crit rate?
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By Kaerin 2011-06-06 18:10:59  
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How do you test your crit rate?
http://code.google.com/p/kparser/

run it and watch your crit rate.
 
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-06-08 00:23:34  
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Honestly I have a hard time wanting other sets. The math will show other sets have lower delay however Ihave yet to find one factoring in the DA rate Iga+2 set gives. Also you could have the ideal set on paper but in the field there are other variables to consider. One of which would be the time you spend debuffing/hinting triggers/triggering said triggers.

Sets matter a lot but in the end Skill > Gear.
if you're going to use that set, you should probably use tiercel necklace to hit 25% (gear)haste. The jump from 24 to 25% haste will easily beat a 2% crit damage increase.
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