Aegis Vs. Ochain

I don't understand what makes people think they sound any more credible than another type of 'fanboy' when they adamantly declare that the alternative is completely useless.

I find more overall use in Ochain. I know Aegis is extremely powerful at what it does, I just don't find an additional amount of non-threatening magic damage to be worth sacrificing a nearly capped block rate on all targets independent of Reprisal/JA usage.

'lol aegis sucks' sounds just as stupid as 'lol ochain sucks'. You're allowed to disagree without sounding like an idiot.

lol

And @75 a Koenig PLD could outtank most Aegis PLD so that's a poor example.

If I had both I would fulltime Ochain and swap in Aegis when necessary if necessary. If the mob called for fulltiming Aegis then I would do that.

If you don't need the MDB, then you need a Ninja :)

This.

blame the player, not the shield

So, I guess you guys would use Ochain on Wyrms.

Doesn't work that way anymore.

clearly, coz like, aegis cant shield block. ;;

Shouldn't Ochain pretty much destroy Aegis for Voidwrought?
Granted, it's not like people actually spam him.

Correction: can't shield block as well as Ochain.

You're welcome.

Yes, unless you get weakness in which case you're worried about spells and TP moves killing you.

Can be tanked on MNK now though so not that big a deal anyway.

Except that wyrms still hit hard, and their magic can still be reduced to laughable levels without dumping TP to swap shields.

not really, lol. Calaeno woulda been a better example

More useful on 55% of total nms is still more useful overall. Not discrediting either.

Use both etc.

Only Voidwatch mob that I've fought that ochain really excels on over Aegis is Kaggen, and I've done 'em all cept t3 zilarts, which will be done wednesday

Fair enough.

Aegis is simply a macro piece if you have both shields, and neither 1 is better than the other given the situational use for both. Get either and youll be happy

I've hardly touched low-mid level Jeuno/Zilart, and only done T3 with big clusterfuck pickup groups, but runs with LS members disagree. Someone mentioned Voidwrought. Well, he never gets off a dangerous TP move when we go, so I'd completely disagree.

good stunners? stun bots? what ever the case, don't assume every group is like that. Fair enough though, the gap between the shields on this is small, surely, that bein' said I personally believe Aegis to be the safer shield on this mob.

If non botters can stun Eradicator than goodjob, this ability is pretty fast to be stunned consistantly w/o the use of bots

Anyone tank the Zilart T1 Wyrm?
Experiences?
Could give us a clue to how these new Wyrms will be?
We probably won't have temps either.
Edit: Unless it's more VW....

Same ***, different name. Add some pets that influence its flight cycle.

New wyrms will be a joke if they follow the same pattern, VW or not.

i was wondering the same thing about tp moves like incinerator. specifically when its used by voidwrought.

also someone told me that magical tp moves, like the one previously mentioned, are not affected by mdb. just wanted to verify or have it denied.

False.

If SE wants relics to be the best, what's stopping them from adding ridiculous amounts of INT/MAB to these Wyrms?

Thing about the Tiamat is not it's strength, but it's endurance.
Ya either attempt zerg by grouding her (by killin' both her pets)
or you leave one of the two pets alive and she remains in flight the entire fight. Either method isn't too easy, fanatics drink does not block her absolute terror, which she spams AND is AoE. While grounded
her wing is 30', in flight it's less, not sure exactly. Or ya can keep her flighted and /ra her down by whatever means, all the while being careful not to pull hate though, which is difficult when your pressured with the alotted time limit. Also, she has big MDB/MDT-.

We won (pretty much almost timed out though.) by carefully blasting her in the sky, had a relic RNG for this to note aswell, very effective, at 'bout 40% we dropped her and fanaburned.

Regarding Pil (the caturae) is -probably- the toughest VW mob thus far, after Bishop's Gambit regains 2k HP and sometimes, not guranteed but very frequently gains an invincilability shield nagating all damage across the board, only way to remove it is to proc 'em. To note about the shield however, we have noticed a single damage type at random dealing damage, (blunt, slash, magic, etc) and after a certain amount of damage is dealt w/ the found weakness, the shield breaks. Pil quite litrally spams thos shield, and magic even while shield isn't active does little damage, timing out on this is by no means hard. Other than that, not too rough, uses Flank opening, fairly reasonable AoE phys dmg and DEF down, should be erased asap, Under 50% casts Kaustra, not too damaging, but the DoT isn't something that should be kept active

Unless they completely dumb down their physical capabilities, they'd have to keep the wyrms perpetually in flight. An increase in magical strength wouldn't be enough.

You have to keep in mind that while Aegis is capable of bringing magic damage down to stupid levels, any other shield can still bring powerful magic attacks down to sub-500, which isn't the least bit dangerous.