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サーバ: Sylph
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By Sylph.Anariodin 2011-10-11 05:50:17
1/Tic Regain is very helpful in a 5 non-self TPable jobs + 1 SCH for VW. Instead of running up to the NM and TPing on it, you wait a little bit while your tank gets hints and your mages get procs. not useless. yes it might not cap TP, but 100% TP for VW is better than 300% for procing, less damage = more time to proc.
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By Bismarck.Kyaaadaa 2011-10-11 05:55:12
Just thought of a reason to take SCH to Voidwatch even with helix spells being /SCH accessible.
Immanence can be used to skillchain from max casting distance. Then BLMs are able to MB off that. It's rather handy when you proc red stagger on a target to build up those %s. Of course, a SCH can MB also with Alacrity for T4/T5. :p
How often does this actually happen in a group?
There aren't many people still playing who are proficient at magic bursting, even among those doing Voidwatch.
You play with idiots then. >_> Sorry.
It's not that hard. BLMs just have to start casting when the SCH starts casting their second spell for the skillchain (assuming they're doing T1 nuke > T1 nuke)
I have to agree with this. Any BLM who is incompetent enough not to able to burst their spells is either A: not nuking enough to know how long their casting time is or B: not paying attention to the DDs. Thank God Almighty that I was brought up through HNMLS and old Sky when MBing was not just the norm but near necessity for young LSs. Post DD spam tactics has murdered young BLM players to the point they only know spell spam and (hopefully) when to stun.
Bahamut.Cuelebra
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-10-11 08:22:14
Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: »Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: »You bring a SCH for the short sexy skirt and bangin'-*** monocle. Isn't that good enough?
God, it's like you people don't understand math.
Are u trying to say its because im mithra i come sch vs the hume male in my ls?
That is exactly what I'm trying to say.
Cuelebra uses Dark Arts:
Luvs it! too much vinyl for my tastes though. lol
Cuelebra uses Embrava:
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By Siren.Nehalania 2011-10-11 08:32:43
First off I can't believe they're going to do that, I hope they won't.
I was FINALLY able to come SCH for something (Voidwatch) and now I'll have that taken away from me too. They might as well just delete the job while they're at it.
Ragnarok.Nemesio
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2011-10-11 08:34:24
First off I can't believe they're going to do that, I hope they won't.
I was FINALLY able to come SCH for something (Voidwatch) and now I'll have that taken away from me too. They might as well just delete the job while they're at it. Then who will Embrava me?
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By Lakshmi.Emanuelle 2011-10-11 08:41:35
First off I can't believe they're going to do that, I hope they won't.
I was FINALLY able to come SCH for something (Voidwatch) and now I'll have that taken away from me too. They might as well just delete the job while they're at it. more like you should down lvl your crappy sch for just "voidwatch"
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By Siren.Nehalania 2011-10-11 08:47:01
Sorry, was just venting.
Bahamut.Cuelebra
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-10-11 08:50:41
Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: »First off I can't believe they're going to do that, I hope they won't.
I was FINALLY able to come SCH for something (Voidwatch) and now I'll have that taken away from me too. They might as well just delete the job while they're at it. more like you should down lvl your crappy sch for just "voidwatch"
i dunno why people are all getting all flustered. If your a good sch. then u have nothing to worry about. its the bad schs. who cant balance, healing, nuking, processing, etc who need to be looking at their other 95s
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By Siren.Nehalania 2011-10-11 08:53:29
Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: »First off I can't believe they're going to do that, I hope they won't.
I was FINALLY able to come SCH for something (Voidwatch) and now I'll have that taken away from me too. They might as well just delete the job while they're at it. more like you should down lvl your crappy sch for just "voidwatch"
i dunno why people are all getting all flustered. If your a good sch. then u have nothing to worry about. its the bad schs. who cant balance, healing, nuking, processing, etc who need to be looking at their other 95s Yeah, I guess you're right. I think I jumped the gun a little fast there. I was shocked at them allowing other jobs to use them as a /sub seeing as how the helix spells are 61+
Bahamut.Cuelebra
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-10-11 08:59:09
Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: »First off I can't believe they're going to do that, I hope they won't.
I was FINALLY able to come SCH for something (Voidwatch) and now I'll have that taken away from me too. They might as well just delete the job while they're at it. more like you should down lvl your crappy sch for just "voidwatch"
i dunno why people are all getting all flustered. If your a good sch. then u have nothing to worry about. its the bad schs. who cant balance, healing, nuking, processing, etc who need to be looking at their other 95s Yeah, I guess you're right. I think I jumped the gun a little fast there. I was shocked at them allowing other jobs to use them as a /sub seeing as how the helix spells are 61+
yah and u know if ur doing zilart vw. ur whm is prolly too busy -na casting and curing. to process. and ur blms are still doing their -ja and -gas to process. the list of magic to process is huge. its not something that can be done with 4 people if ur attempting a tier3 zilart vw(assuming ur going for drops)
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By Siren.Nehalania 2011-10-11 09:00:33
Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: »First off I can't believe they're going to do that, I hope they won't.
I was FINALLY able to come SCH for something (Voidwatch) and now I'll have that taken away from me too. They might as well just delete the job while they're at it. more like you should down lvl your crappy sch for just "voidwatch"
i dunno why people are all getting all flustered. If your a good sch. then u have nothing to worry about. its the bad schs. who cant balance, healing, nuking, processing, etc who need to be looking at their other 95s Yeah, I guess you're right. I think I jumped the gun a little fast there. I was shocked at them allowing other jobs to use them as a /sub seeing as how the helix spells are 61+
yah and u know if ur doing zilart vw. ur whm is prolly too busy -na casting and curing. to process. and ur blms are still doing their -ja and -gas to process. the list of magic to process is huge. its not something that can be done with 4 people if ur attempting a tier3 zilart vw(assuming ur going for drops) That's true! =)
I haven't gotten into the new zilart vw yet, but I can see what you mean.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-10-11 09:01:48
Proc system ruined the game true story x:
I'd say specifically as it relates to drops. If it was nothing but a tactical advantage for temporarily debuffing a target, it'd be just fine.
Kinda glad I'm not playing anymore though. I always had intention of coming back, but it seems once a week there's a new nail in the coffin.
I'm taking time off myself, there is nothing keeping my interest in the game at the moment, I would mainly just log in to talk to friends, this update was fairly underwhelming.
Really debating on staying gone till next update. I've been gone since June, lol. Log in if someone hops on MSN and specifically asks me for help, or once in a while to send POL messages to friends.
Bahamut.Mizuharu
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By Bahamut.Mizuharu 2011-10-11 09:07:17
Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: »First off I can't believe they're going to do that, I hope they won't.
I was FINALLY able to come SCH for something (Voidwatch) and now I'll have that taken away from me too. They might as well just delete the job while they're at it. more like you should down lvl your crappy sch for just "voidwatch"
Are you really one to talk to people about sucking? >_>
Nehalania, pay him no mind.
Bahamut.Cuelebra
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-10-11 09:07:50
Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: »First off I can't believe they're going to do that, I hope they won't.
I was FINALLY able to come SCH for something (Voidwatch) and now I'll have that taken away from me too. They might as well just delete the job while they're at it. more like you should down lvl your crappy sch for just "voidwatch"
i dunno why people are all getting all flustered. If your a good sch. then u have nothing to worry about. its the bad schs. who cant balance, healing, nuking, processing, etc who need to be looking at their other 95s Yeah, I guess you're right. I think I jumped the gun a little fast there. I was shocked at them allowing other jobs to use them as a /sub seeing as how the helix spells are 61+
yah and u know if ur doing zilart vw. ur whm is prolly too busy -na casting and curing. to process. and ur blms are still doing their -ja and -gas to process. the list of magic to process is huge. its not something that can be done with 4 people if ur attempting a tier3 zilart vw(assuming ur going for drops) That's true! =)
I haven't gotten into the new zilart vw yet, but I can see what you mean.
Zilart and Jeuno VW is by far the funnest and most challenging. plus awesome gear. the body drop rate just sucks...
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By Siren.Nehalania 2011-10-11 09:11:50
It's ok, I think I was a bit too quick to lash out in a post like that. Too clarify I was mainly shocked that they lowered the level of the spells to make it accessible for subs. Maybe they'll give us tier 2 helices in the future?
I'm not a crappy SCH, it's actually one of my most favorite jobs to play. I've just recently got in a very nice shell after being on my own for awhile after server merge. So I haven't really done a lot of voidwatch just yet.
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-10-11 09:18:50
It's ok, I think I was a bit too quick to lash out in a post like that. Too clarify I was mainly shocked that they lowered the level of the spells to make it accessible for subs. Maybe they'll give us tier 2 helices in the future?
I'm not a crappy SCH, it's actually one of my most favorite jobs to play. I've just recently got in a very nice shell after being on my own for awhile after server merge. So I haven't really done a lot of voidwatch just yet.
they already said they wont be nearly as potent as sch main which should be fine... realistically. ur rdms wont be subbing sch because they usually will be /blm for stun with the exception of a stun resistant VWNMs. my LS doesnt usually bring more than 1 blm strictly for enmity control reasons. 1 sch and 1 blm are fully capable of doing most magic processes. and as i had mentioned in this thread be occasions when ur whms wipe/weakened. a rdm cannot keep ur plds alive in those emergency situations. rapture+cure4 is a godsend in VW to a sch.
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By Siren.Nehalania 2011-10-11 09:22:49
It's ok, I think I was a bit too quick to lash out in a post like that. Too clarify I was mainly shocked that they lowered the level of the spells to make it accessible for subs. Maybe they'll give us tier 2 helices in the future?
I'm not a crappy SCH, it's actually one of my most favorite jobs to play. I've just recently got in a very nice shell after being on my own for awhile after server merge. So I haven't really done a lot of voidwatch just yet.
they already said they wont be nearly as potent as sch main which should be fine... realistically. ur rdms wont be subbing sch because they usually will be /blm for stun with the exception of a stun resistant VWNMs. my LS doesnt usually bring more than 1 blm strictly for enmity control reasons. 1 sch and 1 blm are fully capable of doing most magic processes. and as i had mentioned in this thread be occasions when ur whms wipe/weakened. a rdm cannot keep ur plds alive in those emergency situations. rapture+cure4 is a godsend in VW to a sch.
Agreed, and you're right about the process list being so long for magic. Assuming another mage even comes as /sch (besides a WHM) they very likely won't be casting out helices to proc when they could be doing other things/keeping people alive/doing their own main trigger spells.
Test server went up today, went on it to test out the changes.
Bad news first:
Notice what job I'm on. Yeah, 95 BLM/SCH gets all 8 helices. Also notice the MP cost, without Dark Arts up even.
Now for the actual changes:
1. Regen: SCH does get Regen IV, idk what level. With Light Arts but no Tabula Rasa, Regen IV healed 46 HP/tick without Savant's Bonnet +2 and 50 HP/tick with. Lasted 2 min 30 seconds without Perpetuance.
With Tabula Rasa, it healed 54 HP/tick without the Bonnet, and 58 HP/tick with. And yes, it stacks with Embrava, 110 HP/tick go go!
2. Helices: Amun was my test subject for this. Using Cryohelix, but it was Firesday so...yeah. Without Tabula, it did 677 and wore off when Amun was at 60%. With Tabula, it did 709 and wore off when Amun was at 47%. Seems like the change to the damage was minor if any difference, just the duration has been boosted.
3. Klimaform's duration is 3 minutes now. Modus Veritas' recast is also 3 minutes, but the accuracy didn't seem to change.
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