Salvage/Alexandrite Adjustment Discussion

Eorzea Time
 
 
 
言語: JP EN FR DE
日本語版のFFXIVPRO利用したい場合は、上記の"JP"を設定して、又はjp.ffxivpro.comを直接に利用してもいいです
users online
フォーラム » FFXI » Endgame » Salvage/Assault » Salvage/Alexandrite Adjustment Discussion
Salvage/Alexandrite Adjustment Discussion
First Page 2
 Carbuncle.Wulfshadow
Offline
サーバ: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 486
By Carbuncle.Wulfshadow 2011-10-21 14:46:01  
Bayohne said:
When the recently revealed roadmap didn’t mention the renewal of Salvage there was some concern on how to obtain alexandrite, so we'd like to provide details on what we're planning. Our plans to renew Salvage haven't changed, but they aren't set to take place until six months from now.

In regards to the availability of alexandrite, we do believe that alexandrite will be easier to obtain after our renewal of Salvage, but we also understand that something needs to be done regarding alexandrite before that happens. Thus we plan on adjusting the drop rates of alexandrite in Salvage and adding NMs that drop alexandrite in Nyzul Isle when we renew the "Nyzul Isle Investigation" content. We also don't have any plans on lowering the amount of alexandrite necessary to create mythic weapons.

We plan on moving forward with development as stated above, so please continue to provide us with your feedback.
Source
[+]
Offline
Posts: 14020
By Quiznor 2011-10-21 14:48:54  
Carbuncle.Wulfshadow said: »
Bayohne said:
When the recently revealed roadmap didn’t mention the renewal of Salvage there was some concern on how to obtain alexandrite, so we'd like to provide details on what we're planning. Our plans to renew Salvage haven't changed, but they aren't set to take place until six months from now.

In regards to the availability of alexandrite, we do believe that alexandrite will be easier to obtain after our renewal of Salvage, but we also understand that something needs to be done regarding alexandrite before that happens. Thus we plan on adjusting the drop rates of alexandrite in Salvage and adding NMs that drop alexandrite in Nyzul Isle when we renew the "Nyzul Isle Investigation" content. We also don't have any plans on lowering the amount of alexandrite necessary to create mythic weapons.

We plan on moving forward with development as stated above, so please continue to provide us with your feedback.
Source

/came

On a serious note though,I wonder how much they're gonna adjust the drop rate,and how the NMs (maybe purse NMs?) in nyzul.Just because of the wording,I also wonder if the adjustments will be implimented before or at the same time as the Nyzul Isle update.
 Carbuncle.Wulfshadow
Offline
サーバ: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 486
By Carbuncle.Wulfshadow 2011-10-21 14:50:20  
At least we have a rough estimate on the salvage adjustments
Granted, 6 months etc
but an estimate nevertheless :x
Offline
Posts: 14020
By Quiznor 2011-10-21 14:54:56  
The fact gears can already drop up to 4 pieces of alex each,albeit pretty rare to see more than 2 pieces per gear,means they'd have to do a dramatic increase to make it worthwhile.Or else add it to alot of other,non-archaic machinery mobs.Since in 6 months~ish when these updates hit,they're still not the neo-salvage updates that will let us take 6 people in and get 250+ alex every day
 Ragnarok.Ashman
Offline
サーバ: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
user: Ashman
Posts: 4251
By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-10-21 15:10:00  
Quiznor said: »
The fact gears can already drop up to 4 pieces of alex each,albeit pretty rare to see more than 2 pieces per gear,means they'd have to do a dramatic increase to make it worthwhile.Or else add it to alot of other,non-archaic machinery mobs.Since in 6 months~ish when these updates hit,they're still not the neo-salvage updates that will let us take 6 people in and get 250+ alex every day

I'm thinking it will just become a common drop from like EVERYTHING in lolzul and salvage. The sad thing is this would be a double slap in the face for current mythic owners. Not only are they making getting alexandrite easier from salvage but remember the million runs of nyzul you did to get tokens? Those are gonna drop alex now too :D
 Cerberus.Tikal
Offline
サーバ: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
user: Tikal
Posts: 4945
By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-10-21 15:11:44  
Perhaps, but Mythics have become harder to get than when they were first instituted, as opposed to Relics that have only been made easier. In that light, I don't think it's that big of a slap, at least in comparison to relics.
 Bahamut.Krizz
Offline
サーバ: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
user: Krizz
Posts: 3158
By Bahamut.Krizz 2011-10-21 15:13:15  
This makes me debate on if I want to even bother with Salvage between now and then. I also still need to finish up Nyzul...
Offline
Posts: 14020
By Quiznor 2011-10-21 15:15:37  
Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Quiznor said: »
The fact gears can already drop up to 4 pieces of alex each,albeit pretty rare to see more than 2 pieces per gear,means they'd have to do a dramatic increase to make it worthwhile.Or else add it to alot of other,non-archaic machinery mobs.Since in 6 months~ish when these updates hit,they're still not the neo-salvage updates that will let us take 6 people in and get 250+ alex every day

I'm thinking it will just become a common drop from like EVERYTHING in lolzul and salvage. The sad thing is this would be a double slap in the face for current mythic owners. Not only are they making getting alexandrite easier from salvage but remember the million runs of nyzul you did to get tokens? Those are gonna drop alex now too :D

True,guess I'm lucky I got all my tokens done at 75 x_X still feel kinda ripped off though knowing those 130+ runs or however many coulda been fnding me alex at the same time.I;m interested to see on how the price of alex will react now (and more importantly 6 months from now when the changes are made)
 Shiva.Spathaian
Offline
サーバ: Shiva
Game: FFXI
user: Spathaian
Posts: 27982
By Shiva.Spathaian 2011-10-21 15:18:06  
Bahamut.Krizz said: »
This makes me debate on if I want to even bother with Salvage between now and then. I also still need to finish up Nyzul...
If you wanna do it to build a mythic, then I'd bother with it. They stated they're not lowering the alex requirement so whatever you can get now is still going to count towards the grand total later. If you just wanna do it for gear, that would depend on what gear you want on it. I know some of Usukane is still useful for certain situations, other than that however it all seems somewhat outdated and lackluster.
 Bahamut.Krizz
Offline
サーバ: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
user: Krizz
Posts: 3158
By Bahamut.Krizz 2011-10-21 15:22:52  
Shiva.Spathaian said: »
Bahamut.Krizz said: »
This makes me debate on if I want to even bother with Salvage between now and then. I also still need to finish up Nyzul...
If you wanna do it to build a mythic, then I'd bother with it. They stated they're not lowering the alex requirement so whatever you can get now is still going to count towards the grand total later. If you just wanna do it for gear, that would depend on what gear you want on it. I know some of Usukane is still useful for certain situations, other than that however it all seems somewhat outdated and lackluster.
Marduk's are supposed to be good feet still. That's the only thing I have on my 'to get' list that comes from Salvage.
 Siren.Kalilla
VIP
Offline
サーバ: Siren
Game: FFXI
user: Kalila
Posts: 14552
By Siren.Kalilla 2011-10-21 15:25:49  
What wulf didn't quote was actually quite funny:

Bayohne said:
Now that Camate is safely in an unspecified location and can't be taken hostage...

lol
 Carbuncle.Wulfshadow
Offline
サーバ: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 486
By Carbuncle.Wulfshadow 2011-10-21 15:26:54  
Siren.Kalilla said: »
What wulf didn't quote was actually quite funny:

Bayohne said:
Now that Camate is safely in an unspecified location and can't be taken hostage...

lol
k

Back on topic:
I really was hoping they'd apply dancer and scholar to what would probably be skadi and, I guess, morrigan sets
pipedreamsetcetc
 Siren.Kalilla
VIP
Offline
サーバ: Siren
Game: FFXI
user: Kalila
Posts: 14552
By Siren.Kalilla 2011-10-21 15:27:11  
it is funny >.>
[+]
 Cerberus.Valmur
Offline
サーバ: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
user: Valmur
Posts: 3642
By Cerberus.Valmur 2011-10-21 15:27:33  
It was?
 Siren.Kalilla
VIP
Offline
サーバ: Siren
Game: FFXI
user: Kalila
Posts: 14552
By Siren.Kalilla 2011-10-21 15:28:20  
wow, okay w/e
 Quetzalcoatl.Leso
Offline
サーバ: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
user: Leso
Posts: 11
By Quetzalcoatl.Leso 2011-10-21 15:29:16  
Siren.Kalilla said: »
wow, okay w/e
I laughed, if that matters :/
[+]
 Leviathan.Draugo
Offline
サーバ: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2775
By Leviathan.Draugo 2011-11-05 23:59:00  
Just got done with my second salvage ever.... So if this sounds naive then w/e.

Two things annoy me about the event. The first being how many fodder mobs you run through that drop tons of repeat cells, and the second being how far into the event you get before you start seeing decent places of mobs grouped together to even farm up alex.

I think that you could solve these problems pretty easily.

They could make cells that are repeats become alex instead once everyone in your group have unlocked that particular weakness. Or make cells be trade-able at various points or after the fact to be converted into alex.

If cells stacked, and after you exit you could trade those cells to an NPC for a 1-1 alex barter, I think it would not be such a huge kick in the nuts to see tons of cells clogging your inventory when your whole group no longer needs those unlocked.

Or maybe I am just running through the wrong doors, like I said only been in salvage a couple of times now.
 Lakshmi.Konvict
Offline
サーバ: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
user: Smasher
Posts: 873
By Lakshmi.Konvict 2011-11-06 00:37:11  
Cool SE. Now make the only thing that is "hard" in this game (Because average cost is 300-400m and nyzul tokens/ein points) really easy.
 Ragnarok.Hotkarl
Offline
サーバ: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
user: hotkarl
Posts: 520
By Ragnarok.Hotkarl 2011-11-06 00:45:11  
nothing is hard , just time consuming
[+]
 Leviathan.Draylo
Offline
サーバ: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: Draylo
By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-11-06 00:52:39  
Don't respond to him, hes an extremely bad troll.
[+]
 Siren.Barber
Offline
サーバ: Siren
Game: FFXI
user: Barber
Posts: 289
By Siren.Barber 2011-11-06 01:22:07  
Takes twice as many Alex's as ancient currency to make a weapon. Stands to reason that they would have to make salvage runs drop twice as much currency per run compared to dynamis in order to make them equal in bazaar value. This, of course, assumes demands for mythics and relics is equal and the slight difference in RL time per event played no part.

But then we see that it takes 3 people to enter salvage, so each run would need to drop twice the amount of currency that a trio could earn in dyna in order to make them roughly equal in bazaar value. A salvage run dropping 900 alexs? Not likely. Mythics will continue to be far and away the most expensive weapons out there.

Until either A) mythics are made to be better or B) someone can 2 box 30,000 alexs in 6 months, mythics will continue to be a huge gil sink for a toy (except maybe lance and even that is risky since if a WS that trumps drakesbane is introduced it will be trash).
necroskull Necro Bump Detected! [100 days between previous and next post]
Offline
Posts: 14020
By Quiznor 2012-02-13 22:35:42  
Necro Bump

Above update wasnt added like promised after months of looking forward to it.I am extremely enraged :<
 Leviathan.Hohenheim
Offline
サーバ: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: Hohenheim
Posts: 3351
By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-02-13 22:42:58  
;-; comfort! you'll get there eventually! keep at that SSR :< i'd help you if you were on levi.
 Leviathan.Draylo
Offline
サーバ: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: Draylo
By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-02-13 22:57:55  
I'm on Levi, help meeeee !
 Leviathan.Hohenheim
Offline
サーバ: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: Hohenheim
Posts: 3351
By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-02-13 22:59:56  
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
I'm on Levi, help meeeee !

you were mean to me in an akvan shout :<
 Fenrir.Nightfyre
Offline
サーバ: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
user: Nightfyre
Posts: 11680
By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-02-13 23:03:20  
I mentioned this on the OF already, but the Salvage adjustments aren't even due for a while yet.
 Leviathan.Draylo
Offline
サーバ: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: Draylo
By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-02-13 23:03:50  
Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
I'm on Levi, help meeeee !

you were mean to me in an akvan shout :<

Huh when? lol
 Leviathan.Hohenheim
Offline
サーバ: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: Hohenheim
Posts: 3351
By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-02-13 23:05:54  
someone said typral is your mule now :x he was mean to me like a week ago.

tho i swear i remember him being jp, but his english was flawless this time .-.
 Leviathan.Draylo
Offline
サーバ: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: Draylo
By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-02-13 23:12:19  
Oh god lol, what did he do
 Leviathan.Hohenheim
Offline
サーバ: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: Hohenheim
Posts: 3351
By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-02-13 23:21:22  
told me to shut up because i wasnt shouting for vw!

as if multiple people shouting speeds it up at all ~.~
First Page 2