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Catastrophe set help.
Valefor.Rydstrom
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By Valefor.Rydstrom 2011-11-10 10:27:42
just recently got my Apoc and need a good setup for Cata please advise. Only looking for a WS set i have aftermath covered.
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2011-11-10 10:42:12
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-11-10 11:05:06
TP
WS att capped
WS att uncapped
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-11-10 11:08:48
Lacking separate Aftermath and Non-aftermath sets for TP. Apocalypse Owners, I am disappoint.
Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2011-11-10 11:19:39
i dont think they are lacking. OP said he didnt need help with that so i assume they just didnt waste time posting it.
Ragnarok.Ashman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-11-10 11:27:02
TP WS att capped WS att uncapped
Forgive me because I'm a novice but you wear tyrant when attack IS capped and spiral when it isnt?
Ragnarok.Gunit
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By Ragnarok.Gunit 2011-11-10 11:28:49
I think its for the STP for 5hit.
Ragnarok.Nemesio
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2011-11-10 11:28:55
I am assuming its to keep an x-hit build. He uses Armadaberk in uncapped, for attack, which most likely also has STP augmented on it.
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-11-10 11:40:38
Ofcourse I have an AM down set lol.
Yes both WS sets are to keep my 5hit.
Armadaberk has stp6 da3.
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By Sylph.Sukasaroth 2011-11-10 11:57:51
grim +1
Ragnarok.Ashman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-11-10 12:10:25
Ok sorry. I didn't understand a seperate macro for an 8 attack swing.
*edit* 17 with ammo, but still I was confused
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2011-11-10 13:01:15
Here's the poor man's way to a 5-hit.
can swap out ammo, the belt and the back for WS and keep the 4 hit rebuild.
Tactical mantle sucks!!! I sold my tathlum a while ago and am waiting for the new ammo piece so until I can get one, I'm stuck in 6-hit city.
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By Hades.Ferusio 2011-11-10 13:03:48
your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE Tmail far better for ws, adaberk far better for tp
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-11-10 13:06:20
your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE Tmail far better for ws, adaberk far better for tp Calling someone HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE when you used the wrong form of "you're" and are also only half right isn't really a good idea. Twilight is indeed better if cRatio is capped, but in moderately high cRatio situations you'll find them almost identical and Grim +1 will be superior when fighting high level/defense NMs if not well buffed.
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2011-11-10 13:08:11
your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE Tmail far better for ws, adaberk far better for tp
Only when attack is capped (or last resort is down). On most of the VW stuff Grim +1 will pull ahead or Twilight Mail.
Attack is a pretty big deal.
Siren.Stunx
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By Siren.Stunx 2011-11-10 13:16:09
A jp friend of mine told me it was recently verified that atk doesnt cap at 999, just the display.
could be true, could be false, but from my experience with them they are almost always on point with their info~
Ragnarok.Gunit
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By Ragnarok.Gunit 2011-11-10 13:20:24
We were already aware of this.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-11-10 13:28:16
A jp friend of mine told me it was recently verified that atk doesnt cap at 999, just the display.
could be true, could be false, but from my experience with them they are almost always on point with their info~ We've known that for years.
Siren.Stunx
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By Siren.Stunx 2011-11-10 13:31:06
well ive always assumed it and still see ppl talking about it from time in game as if it was in question. i have personally never come across the topic on forums.
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-11-10 13:40:14
your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE Tmail far better for ws, adaberk far better for tp Only when attack is capped (or last resort is down). On most of the VW stuff Grim +1 will pull ahead or Twilight Mail. Attack is a pretty big deal.
Even in VW, between LR,Stal,Endark and debuffs your attack should be capped.
Ragnarok.Ashman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-11-10 14:00:27
Cata AM is 10%, right?
Asura.Armada
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By Asura.Armada 2011-11-10 14:10:58
This is the set I use for Catastrophe:
Very similar to other sets posted here, but I am able to use a Pole grip over a Rose strap due to my TP set. I'm still waiting for SE to come out with a "beats all" option for hands, but until then I'll stick with Onyx as they are not worth selling.
When Grim +1 came out I thought for sure it would be the best body for Cata, but as stated above attack is so easily capped nowadays that Twilight is the clear winner.
5-hit TP, Aftermath up: (Armadaberk with STP+6 DA+3 Subtle Blow+5)
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-11-10 14:29:44
Why not use Heafoc and Spiral?
And regain moonshade /duck
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Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2011-11-10 14:32:31
your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE Tmail far better for ws, adaberk far better for tp Only when attack is capped (or last resort is down). On most of the VW stuff Grim +1 will pull ahead or Twilight Mail. Attack is a pretty big deal.
Even in VW, between LR,Stal,Endark and debuffs your attack should be capped.
LR isn't on 100% of the time
Ragnarok.Ashman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-11-10 14:38:57
I'm not great with ffxi math but let's say 700 base attack + 62.5 attack if endark is 400 dark magic skill /20 x 2.5 + 12.5.
765 + 25% (last resort) + 10% (stalwarts which i couldn't find a value for online while at work).
Without debuffs im looking at 1025ish attack and that's not even 256th'ing percentages right. I recall reading somewhere something about 1200 attack needed to cap attack (was in a torcleaver thread) on voidwrought and you only have last resort like 71% of the time...
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-11-10 14:44:28
Pretty sure Stalwart's is 25% but I'd have to go back and check.
your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE Tmail far better for ws, adaberk far better for tp Only when attack is capped (or last resort is down). On most of the VW stuff Grim +1 will pull ahead or Twilight Mail. Attack is a pretty big deal.
Even in VW, between LR,Stal,Endark and debuffs your attack should be capped.
LR isn't on 100% of the time That would explain his uncapped cRatio set, wouldn't it?
サーバ: Sylph
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By Sylph.Biginallways 2011-11-10 14:55:58
This is the set I use for Catastrophe:
Very similar to other sets posted here, but I am able to use a Pole grip over a Rose strap due to my TP set. I'm still waiting for SE to come out with a "beats all" option for hands, but until then I'll stick with Onyx as they are not worth selling.
When Grim +1 came out I thought for sure it would be the best body for Cata, but as stated above attack is so easily capped nowadays that Twilight is the clear winner.
5-hit TP, Aftermath up: (Armadaberk with STP+6 DA+3 Subtle Blow+5)
Khthonios gloves should be the best out there in most situations
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2011-11-10 15:01:04
Pretty sure Stalwart's is 25% but I'd have to go back and check.
your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE Tmail far better for ws, adaberk far better for tp Only when attack is capped (or last resort is down). On most of the VW stuff Grim +1 will pull ahead or Twilight Mail. Attack is a pretty big deal.
Even in VW, between LR,Stal,Endark and debuffs your attack should be capped.
LR isn't on 100% of the time That would explain his uncapped cRatio set, wouldn't it?
Yes it would. Now given that his Adaberk has the STP mod on it, its probably worth the sacrifice of 16 attack in order to maintain the 5 hit. However Grim +1 will be a better performing piece when you need the attack.
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-11-10 15:16:39
I'm not great with ffxi math but let's say 700 base attack + 62.5 attack if endark is 400 dark magic skill /20 x 2.5 + 12.5. 765 + 25% (last resort) + 10% (stalwarts which i couldn't find a value for online while at work). Without debuffs im looking at 1025ish attack and that's not even 256th'ing percentages right. I recall reading somewhere something about 1200 attack needed to cap attack (was in a torcleaver thread) on voidwrought and you only have last resort like 71% of the time...
Missing RCB +150
Then Debuffs/songs/rolls
just recently got my Apoc and need a good setup for Cata please advise. Only looking for a WS set i have aftermath covered.
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