my recent runs were plagued by ochain plds who pull all the mobs and AE them to death :/
just quick question: do u guys go full eva? mix or just full time DD?
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Full DD for me. Put on evasion gear if I link more than 2 and even then not really necessary for 3-4 mobs if your evasion is capped.
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Bismarck.Jonadriel said: » Sylph.Annex said: » If yout automaton dies the agro will disapear just like deactivate? No. The only way that u can attack a target and do it hate free on PUP is if the name of the mob don't turn red. Once it turns red u gonna have hate on master too. The attacks that count as hate free are range and magic nukes if you retrieve > deactivate the automaton once the attack has gone off. If the automaton hits it with melee dmg it will turn the name of the mob red. One thing to note here, this means you can't have your BLM auto 1-shot nuke the TE. Doing so will result in no time extension, as you would have no enmity on the mob. Learned the hard way on a 20min recast surrounded by mobs. Heya all!!
I've tried this myself as well (still skilling up puppet) and im really enjoying it, doing for now pup/thf with whm frame but wanna try VE tomorrow, do ppl merit 5/5 role reversal? i got it @1 right now but when those multi links happen, might be better to have it maxed isnt it? Not averaging like my bst (200+ on bst @ tav usually) but today for example netted 143 in buburimu, had 2 deaths (1 on TEs and other on mandies, 5 mandies on me + dream flower = fun), needless to say, i think this has a lot of potential and over everything, its very fun : D xenomasterkenshin said: » Heya all!! I've tried this myself as well (still skilling up puppet) and im really enjoying it, doing for now pup/thf with whm frame but wanna try VE tomorrow, do ppl merit 5/5 role reversal? i got it @1 right now but when those multi links happen, might be better to have it maxed isnt it? Not averaging like my bst (200+ on bst @ tav usually) but today for example netted 143 in buburimu, had 2 deaths (1 on TEs and other on mandies, 5 mandies on me + dream flower = fun), needless to say, i think this has a lot of potential and over everything, its very fun : D I've done bubu dozens of times and I've never gotten more than ~100 on a perfect run with no deaths. What are you doing to net this many? I had the WHM puppet out, not fully skilled but he has pro4/shell3/cure5 right now, good enough to keep me alive even with a lot of crap linked.
Did bunny, crab and crawler rotation and it worked great, if i didnt staggered a mob be4 it was below 10%, just swap to another and keep the puppet on it til it staggers and so on, on crabs/crawler u have the disruptor chance also (with 1 dark up) when they buff themselves so its a plus. I have Vere also, dunno if it helps on kill speed really (since a lot of the time im doing spinning attack to stagger, or the stun one), i saw good numbers on the nyzul WS as well, if u have any of em, you should be good to go. And what i hate: getting the TEs, it can suck balls sometimes <.< Gonna try RDM puppet today and see how he does, btw phalanx/SS and haste plus cure 4, should be good i hope. xenomasterkenshin said: » I had the WHM puppet out, not fully skilled but he has pro4/shell3/cure5 right now, good enough to keep me alive even with a lot of crap linked. Did bunny, crab and crawler rotation and it worked great, if i didnt staggered a mob be4 it was below 10%, just swap to another and keep the puppet on it til it staggers and so on, on crabs/crawler u have the disruptor chance also (with 1 dark up) when they buff themselves so its a plus. I have Vere also, dunno if it helps on kill speed really (since a lot of the time im doing spinning attack to stagger, or the stun one), i saw good numbers on the nyzul WS as well, if u have any of em, you should be good to go. And what i hate: getting the TEs, it can suck balls sometimes <.< Gonna try RDM puppet today and see how he does, btw phalanx/SS and haste plus cure 4, should be good i hope. WHM automaton is best from what I've experienced in Dynamis. RDM automaton spends too much time nuking even when the proper maneuvers are up. Yeah TE farm is a pain but try to team up with a BST if you see one go in. Most of the time they are willing to team up. Not always of course but the few that I've encountered have been more than happy to team up. I'm a huge advocate of the RDM frame in dynamis, easily keeps up with cures and buffs, and uses up the extraneous time between them by nuking. If you haven't capped your magic skill those nukes are going to be an mp sucking hindrance, rather than a bit of extra damage. I'd stick to WHM for the time being.
As for TE, put your auto on it, have it debuff once, pull back to a safe place and deactivate. You'll lose all all links, and as long as your autos hp remains above 100% you won't have to wait for activate (Though if it is below Deux Ex > Cure 6 > Deactivate > Reactivate should reset your timer.) noticed the Mp sucking on the rdm one right now (died lol, posting while weak), also linked several crabs and he wasnt able to keep up, granted i linked 6 (more than link, i stayed in 1 place and they kept coming <.<)
gonna try rdm once skill is past a reasonable amount tho, its great lol Anyone tried with VE + maxed role reversal + oils to keep him up? I'm thinking on trying it sometime soon (probably tomorrow) with this setup, using oil +3 to keep him up, the 2 added WS triggers (shield bash + his own ws) should be enough to keep it up isnt it?
xenomasterkenshin said: » Anyone tried with VE + maxed role reversal + oils to keep him up? I'm thinking on trying it sometime soon (probably tomorrow) with this setup, using oil +3 to keep him up, the 2 added WS triggers (shield bash + his own ws) should be enough to keep it up isnt it? I've tried this in dyna qufim. I was using grotesque cesti to replenish any dmg i took from getting hate (which failed bc i faught bats, tribats, raptors, and both bats resisted the add eff 99% of the time) However, the VE auto tanked like a boss even with 2-3 adds on. I remember barely using 1 stack of oils and only have role reversal at 1 merit. Overall my coin output was similar, but i felt it was more upkeep and risk of dying than with whm auto. Note i did not have turbo charger at the time, and used pet pdt -10 MKE head. Also my main way of healing was auto-repair kit w/ light maneuver and using thunder for string shredder and counter rate loves ursine claws
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[119 days between previous and next post]For those who does PUP/THF + WHM hat do you juust spam low WS to try to proc or just got all DMG and hope it procs?
Depends on the health of the mob. If it's above 50% I'll SS and if it doesn't proc, I switch to a different mob and let the auto proc. I use aoe if I have more than 1 (which I usually do). Proc chance for the non-main target is pretty low but it happens occasionally. I rarely use OIP unless I only need to proc a single mob thats <50%.
Most of the time, the auto is procing anyway. Quick question- if I go PUP with sharpshot, will he proc WS like in Abyssea? I've been doing Dynamis as BST + PUP, but I'm thinking about doing PUP + PUP because competition has been crazy lately.
Sylph.Annex said: » Full DD for me. Put on evasion gear if I link more than 2 and even then not really necessary for 3-4 mobs if your evasion is capped. This, also you can deactive > dues > light maneuver > deploy for a quick cure 6 if you use whm turban I farmed my Amano, pretty much 100% solo on pup/thf with whm turban. After getting the groove down in dunes (ffffffffffff that zone btw.. 0/30 on -1 drg helmet. literally got every other job's -1 helmet) I was pulling in 200-250 coins a run solo. TH2 is pretty much the *** when farming solo coins. I did all WS mobs, and just ripped through the DC ones. Stick to it and you'll get your relic. I did. Cerberus.Whippet said: » For those who does PUP/THF + WHM hat do you juust spam low WS to try to proc or just got all DMG and hope it procs? Flashbulb, Strode, Disruptor. They proc as WS even though they're JAs. Unless this was changed recently. Those work Mizu. I personally couldn't find room for the disruptor, what with having the economizer and all. Whm turban only has so many dark slots, and I took the safety of refresh + economizer, but those three do work well.
xenomasterkenshin said: » Anyone tried with VE + maxed role reversal + oils to keep him up? I'm thinking on trying it sometime soon (probably tomorrow) with this setup, using oil +3 to keep him up, the 2 added WS triggers (shield bash + his own ws) should be enough to keep it up isnt it? Role reversal/canibal blade/repair should be enough. Like said, VE tanks with 3 adds even without to much problem. Upkeep is higher, bad beastmen agg can suck. Tricks with ventriloquy help too. WS mob to pull, if no trigger ventrilquy, and automaton will tank it till it procs, then it's a quick kill after. Same for unwanted aggs, deus ex->ventriloquy->deactivate is your friend. I use Heat capacitor/Strobe/Flashbulb/Eraser/Disrupter/Armor Plate I,II/turbocharger/Accelerator II/ as most important. Also -10DT/haste hat when not engaged. Also swap pet to a different mob if it doesn't proc quick. Kill any that are proc'd. If it doesn't proc fast, and u swap around, u can pretty much always be killing a proc'd mob. (making the -DT hat something i don't use much, cause always killing,engaged,tping, or ws'ing new pulls for proc.) Average between 160-210 currency this way in dyna bubu. on WS mob ofc. Hi guys, some ppl asked me how i get 200 - 240 currency in dynamis as PUP and I made this just to show how i do PUP solo in dynamis. So, not making a thread for that and instead putting the video here. Worst thing i ever saw was a PUP sending his automaton to fight wile master stayed behind.... in that case go BST. BST is not equal to PUP.
Best thing about PUP in dyna with WS proc mobs is no compettition. yay!
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99% of pups aren't gonna have the mythic, just sayin'.
quote='Odin.Eikechi' pid=2003256]99% of pups aren't gonna have the mythic, just sayin'.[/quote]
Can be done without Mythic. It just adds a little more DoT. Acording to most ppl here mythic don't make PUP a DD, so.... I would say it adds a lot, but 240 is about what my max was when I farmed my Amano on pup/thf, and I don't have a good h2h really. But I think you might be low balling the 240 estimate if you have kenkonken.
Odin.Eikechi said: » I would say it adds a lot, but 240 is about what my max was when I farmed my Amano on pup/thf, and I don't have a good h2h really. But I think you might be low balling the 240 estimate if you have kenkonken. It all depends really. Sometimes mobs just won't proc, and I like going for the low-end than going for the high-end on the amount I get per run. I kinda don't like waitting on mobs to procs, so, sometimes i just kill them straight, proc or not. Kinda lazy sometimes i guess. Kenkonken are not going to cause your performance in dynamis to skyrocket.
Fenrir.Sylow said: » Kenkonken are not going to cause your performance in dynamis to skyrocket. Noone said it would. That's what I said. It just adds a little more DoT. What frame set ups are you guys using?
Ragnarok.Hotkarl said: » What frame set ups are you guys using? I am guessing that was directed to me so, i was using Soulsouther head with Stormwaker frame. Attachemnts were: Strobe, Mana booster, Tactical Processor, Power Cooler, Armor Plate I and II, Coiler, Autorepair Kit II, Damage gauge, Flashbulb, Mana Tank II, Economizer.
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Jonadriel, thanks for posting this. I would agree with what you're saying as far as the best thing about PUP/THF in Dynamis is zero competition. My wife and I have been duo'ing Dyna as BST + PUP for her Spharai. She doesn't get as much currency as me, but I'm also fighting 2-4 mobs at once, and proc'ing them all. However, when there's competition and I'm stuck to 1 mob at a time due to DNC or THF looking to poach mobs, then her constant currency drops help keep our drop rate steady.
The other advantage over BST is probably defensive- between 2nd-highest evasion of any class, and Guard, she gets hit a LOT less than I do. I play PUP too but I'm not as geared. Once I get more gear to match hers, I'll probably do Dyna as PUP instead of BST myself- JA-mob competition on Sylph is crazy during the hours that we run.
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Quick question: If I go to Dynamis subless as PUP/--- can the Automaton proc White !!'s, or is it only the Master?
Wondering if it's worth it to go subless on PUP in a duo currency farming party for the occasional white proc. I usually go in a Duo as THF/DNC + DNC/--- for JA procs, but JA window is getting severely crowded so we were considering going THF/WAR + PUP/---(+Soulsoother) off WS procs instead. |
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