Which Atmas Do You Use?*WHM*

I didn't know it was still a regular occurence to die in Abyssea.

Ok, maybe you roll into Abyssea with an alliance and have people to cover you. Sure, with enough healing power & back up, you don't need RR. -- or maybe you do? idk.

That being said, we low-man everything. I am the one and only WHM. Not having to worry about casting RR on myself is a huge benefit. MM keeps my MP up pretty well, but a Cure VI only does so much when a MNK has 5k+ HP w/o breaking a sweat. If I spent that MP on casting RR on myself, it'd be foolish. Not to mention the added bonus of a instant Cure VI followed by another instant Cure VI.

All in all, the WHM's job is to concern him/herself with everyone else, not their own well-being. Do you really think SE gave WHMs Benediction to keep themselves alive? Highly doubt it, lol.


First, see above. Second, you obviously stick with the easy +1 paper mobs. Ever try to fight Dragua without RR? His AoE goes 30+, RR into that and you, and your party, is a goner. And why? You didn't have RR up. Unless, of course, as I stated above, you have multiple backups.


Seriously, all the WHMs out there. Don't ever, ever, ever run around with out forms of RR, and an extra scroll of RR for those moments when you can't spend the MP -- or the time. Keep your tank alive. Focus on people other than yourself. That is what makes a good WHM, not the gear, not the MP Pool, but the ability to support the tank & dd to do their job.

I don't know what's considered best, but I like MM, Allure, and Stormbird. Keeps me at 20 mp a tick, enough -enmity to spam cure6 as needed, and extra mind for many uses.

As for Apoc, IMO it's not particularly necessary unless you'll be dying without reraise, stuff like shin, duos with hate resets, etc. Not to mention, I don't even like when quick cast procs, it *** up my macros.

Edit: damn, I really want Ambition.

Abyssea is hard, yo.

Wait.. why am I dying to Dragua? I don't usually use Apoc and I duo almost everything in abyssea (occasionally trio), w/o brews. I'm usually the one and only whm.

Next if I cannot keep mp, rr, and the tank/party alive on 99% of abyssea content w/o breaking a sweat. I have issues. I go /sch if I need rr in a pinch, I'll use a strat. I feel my job is to keep the party going AND look after myself.

Though I agree with the above poster if you meant that one fight when everyone d/c's. But again, I can usually still zombie with my many RR's.

I know that people use apoc, and I don't care if you do. Only thing I'm arguing if you cannot keep RR up and do your job, I would feel there are more issues then atma choices.

Only if you don't have capped Cure Potency

Why does everyone use Apoc? Not it is impossible to use RR when you have MM on

Never understood how people wipe to Dragua..

If you die so much as a whm that you need apoc, you or the entire rest of your party are doing something hella wrong. Can never understand why people use it. Yeah having that much rr is nice, but why the hell do you even need it.

After reading this thread I have determined that the value one sees in using Apoc has a direct and inverse relationship to the size of your whm e-peen.

I get the jist of what you're saying. I usually solo cure on the high tier NMs. We typically do low-man things or just choose more fire power. I always make sure I have Reraise up, and even then I don't die. I don't know if it's because I actually take the job seriously and use my buffs like a proper whm should, or am just somehow luckier than others and not die. SE gave whm Stoneskin, Blink, proshell, and bar spells for a reason. Hell, they even gave them Sancronicity which makes magic damage laughable. If you sub rdm you also have access to Phalanx which helps in damage reduction. I don't even use apoc for shinryu anymore, because that's how often I die on whm in anything involving abyssea. And before you say it's because you don't have to worry about it with a brew, that thing is a waste of a brew anymore. Thing only mob I'd even consider using apoc on is Apademik due to blms sucking and not stunning. THAT is the reason for my argument on not using apoc on whm. Yes, it's personal preference and all, but I'm just saying that you could make use of the hundred other atma at your disposal, and not have to make a crutch for yourself. Now, if you're going all battle mage and such, then have at it. You can keep your party members well alive and buffed, and also do yourself at the same time. Taking care of yourself in the end takes care of others. Paralyna yourself before the tank for example will make it a hell of a lot easier to heal them.

I agree with this entirely. Not denying that Apoc has its uses, but to use it as a default atma admits some lack of competency. Given that you are adequately prepared for each situation, you should never die twice in a row on whm, save Shinryu and a few others. NM has a dangerous 30 yalm move? Guess what, time your spells instead of compensating for suckage. NM hasn't TPd in 30 seconds? Hey bro, don't run in and cast a bar spell yet.

It's not. But neither is choking. Most people eat 3 meals a day and do not choke. In fact, we don't even think about our chewing most of the time. BUT, occasionally ***happens and you choke (and hopefully can cough it up).

Much like Abys, it's a rare thing to die. BUT sometimes ***hits the fan. Mistakes happen. We're all human. There's nothing wrong with having a safety net.

If one doesn't want to use it, then by all means don't. Ragging on people who do though is pointless. There's nothing wrong with being prepared for the unexpected. In fact, that's probably the best survival technique both in game and irl.

Hey! I can say in full confidence that when I see Araise, I get pretty dickhard.

I can't stop staring, sorry :< so cute

) Esuna.
) Instant-cast & Instant-RR is hardly a crutch.

Implying Misery doesn't get paralyzed, same with esuna. This also requires you to get close to your tank/anyone else. Yes, esuna makes things a hell of a lot easier, but that's a major risk to take, and can cost you some crucial time.

I don't think the people who use Apoc are unable to make sure they always have reraise up, it's just an added convenience. Some people love quick magic procs across the board, some people hate them.

If I felt my mule's performance suffered greatly by giving up the 3rd atma slot for Apoc, I wouldn't use it... I'm just yet to find myself in a position where I ran out of MP, pulled too much hate, or didn't have enough fast-cast (although, ironically, quick-magic...).

On the other hand, I have ended up in a position or two where I'd raise my mule and jump right back into curing without worrying about being killed again and it being game over (without an external raise). I'd say it might be different if I didn't always dual box, but I don't think it is.

I don't think anyone here, whether using apoc or not, has a distinct inability to cast reraise.

if i had to say atmas for whm would be pretty easy
Refresh > mp > mp for the most part
for regular pts i'd go MM, Allure, and Rescuer
for things that require multiple deaths switch rescuer for Apoc

most whm atma fairly easy to pick from.

Like what?

That requires them to actually do something other than sit around and hope for some severe damage

In the end, I think the general consensus is:

1) Minikin Monstrosity
2) w/e you want that matches your play style
3) w/e you want that matches your play style

=p

Ideal set in my eyes - Allure, Minkin Monstrosity, and Undying with capped cure potency

Ideal set for people without capped Cure Potency - Allure, Minkin Monstrosity, and Rescuer

Personally, I never considered Undying. I'd literally have to be /blm and spamming curaga V before low mp becomes a problem (maybe it helps being taru, idk). I'd rather use beyond if I was going to help with magic damage.

Undying is mainly for the MND+ for your Cures and MP is never an issue spamming Curaga V if you have +2 Pantaloons. Why even consider doing magic damage as a WHM just baffles me

I say this because I have never been in a situation where I need to use a Holy nuke to save my life or to get azure light in Abyssea. Only ever cared about about keeping people alive from my previous LS and now in Voidwatch, so a Holy nuke really doesn't mean much to me

Retitle this thread: Reasons why WHMs are stupid for using Apoc or Reasons why they stupid for not using it.

I use Apoc, mainly because I lazy. Do I need it, not really. Has the instant cast saved my ***, as well as parties, more times then I can count? Yes.

I hate forgetting to recast reraise. It has a great success of wearing off while I am in the middle of a fight and I can't recast it at that moment.

Apoc comes down to how you play and what you are doing. It isn't a bad thing to use, nor is it a must use. It's there.