Random Question Thread (FFXI Related)

Don't even have to answer yes, it's redundant, asura.

On asura as a dd if you dont glow you dont go unless you have an aeonic

Borealis drk do you need it?

Because the original discussion was a returning player asking which job to play that get them into endgame content as fast as possible. And my original point was a new cor without af+3/relic+3 will not compete with a cor with these things, thus not getting invite because another guy with better gears takes the slot. It's the same as any DD, better geared/stronger DD gets a slot.

It's completely in line with the origional discussion.

Kinda depends on group too.

I run with a group that has plenty of good CORs, to the point where I almost never play it myself in events despite having Empy gun, good melee/shooting/WS sets (i.e., able to 1-shot Divergence statues), Regal neck, etc. I'm almost always more useful on something else that we have more of a shortage of just because it has gotten to the point that everyone tries to gear a melee via an OK COR, or maybe a Dunna GEO.

On the other hand, we could often use an extra WHM in almost any endgame activity (or at the very least, we could work with that and allow someone else to switch to notWHM) - Yagrush is always nice, but a newer player who cures quickly and pays attention is pretty much always viable too. Solid 3-song BRD is also generally always something we can find room for since we aren't loaded up with 4-song Honor March BRDs (though this is def YMMV based on group, if you run with 3 other 100% RMEA instrument BRDs, they'll obviously be preferable); and if you want to make yourself more valuable it has never been cheaper to fund a Ghorn. For picking up some extra jobs to add to your niche coverage, stuff like SCH or RDM are sometimes useful even without excessive gear requirements (though these are less mandatory for the majority of endgame).


Following up on this post from a week ago, I'm even more convinced that SCNM pops are showing up at too high of a frequency for me than could be explained by purely random luck. I'm not even opening gobbie box on most mules in the past week, and have seen several more SCNM pops - which I almost NEVER saw before (maybe never got a single one) in months of opening boxes on 18 characters.

It is apparent to anyone who opens a lot of boxes that the current rate of Void/Shard Divergence items is not as high as it had been in previous months, and it looks pretty likely to me that this month has seen a marked uptick in SCNM stuff. I'm gaining confidence that this was an unannounced tweak - perhaps monthly percentage adjustments for certain classes of items (kinda along the same lines as the transparent monthly changes to login point items, Ambuscade rewards, campaign events, etc.)

I think that has always be the case, that SE manually tweak the pool % from gobbie box after every patch, or after some patch at least.

I've seen so many times people reporting to receive recently added pieces from the gobbiebox, multiple times, and then suddenly nobody gets anything.

It was pretty obvious with Shards/Voids, before that I remember it happening when they added SU3 gear (Kendatsuba etc), with those pieces popping pretty often and seeing lots of people/friends/myself reporting that on the month right after they were added.



Maybe it's a coincidence, maybe it's bias, but I think there's a thin line connecting all of this, just like you tried to say.

This. The entire reason why I know cor aren't going to hand people easy invite is because of what Anza said here.

For very very long time, RUN was job I played the most in 2016-Omen era. And for very long time I played RUN for majority of VD run too. I start bring cor to VD post Omen after I got significant WSD in savage set from AF+3 body and regal neck. At that point I feel I could replace one of (out of two) top end rema DD and pt efficiency still increase.

If cor didn't hit certain level of dps, a pt with tank, DDx2, brd, geo, healer will be more preferable than dd+cor setup. Because just roll isn't enough dps increase over using 2nd DD.

Then hep sapara+1 and relic feet released. So tank, DD, cor(with all the newest gears) brd geo whm setup became so much better than ddx2 setup because cors dps became so damn close to a real 1h DD like blu with brd buffs, and dia4/sam roll pushes pt efficiency above ddx2 setup. Before cor get those new gears DD x2 setup is roughly equal or maybe even better than DD + cor setup.

So personally, I'm not seeing how a new cor with minimal gear could get invite in VD without friends...unless you are lucky that a DD without cor mule tries to use solo multi step strategy AND shout for a cor in VD. And even then I bet the spot would be full immediately.

And even with strong savage set, in VD cor still has less weight than a tank or mage. I run VD frequently, and it's so much easier to control the outcome of the fight on a mage job so I can silence/bind/CC things. On cor I'd have to rely on another person to do it.

Cor only really really became a very strong job with more weight since dyna became relevant endgame, IMO. And that's after the player obtained strong leaden set, multiple tier of acc set, strong hybrid set with multiple acc tiers, and significant amount of dyna D experience. A top end cor is extremely valuable in dyna D, probably in the best position I've seen after 10 years of maining the job. But returning player aren't going to do this content nor have gears for it.

On the other hand, minus smn zerg aeonic, whm is relevant in every content, and carries more weight with lesser gears. If I'm gearing a brand new character from scratch, the first thing I'd do is play whm in ambu D/VD in minimal gears for fast gil. I dont think there's another job that's as effective as whm in terms of getting the job done with minimal gears. Certainly not cor.

Since OP said he has connections, maybe cor could work for him. But his friend has to be extremely nice to invite him on cor to things like VD imo. In past 1 years I've pt with a total of 1 roll only cor in VD. 99% of time the spot is taken by another lsmate with at least above avg gears, and omen/escha/aeonic/relic+3 gears. On the other hand I literally invite whm in any gear level to VD and never give a damn. Some people has minimal endgame experience too. They just need to spam cure macro when people in yellow hp.

Wasn't even arguing with you, I was agreeing with Anzas opinion on cor not having tons of invite opportunity and the discussion was just answering Ops question about newbie friendly jobs, by providing in depth pov on current state of the jobs in minimal gears, and which gear are required to get invite in higher ilv content.


chill. Dont know why you react so strongly from every post when others just share their opinions in a discussuion. Nobody is even "arguing" here, nor I quote your post at all.

you take things way too personal if you feel like replying a post defensively when I was quoting and agreeing with Anzas opinion.

This is 100% weapons grade bolognium:


Also, OP was asking about a starting job for a returning player. Dynamis D bosses is not part of the question.


This is a good idea. Just make sure you start your coalition assignments asap. This way, by the time you're ready to get into more serious content, you have the option of making an idris.

If you decide not to make one, having maxed out coalitions is still needed to get SoA +1 ring, so it's not a loss.

Yeah, someone asked "what job should I play as new player" and another person said "you should not play X, here is my personal experience with X"

God forbid I made a follow up point of "you should not play X because (reasons), but if you have omen/dyna D gears you can play X, that's when the job start to get good. And X is really good in dyna D with those gears"

Geez, the point of the forum is to.....use It? Not everyone post it for the sake of fighting to win an argument.

People talk about personal experience because Ops question is directly tied to individual experience and not about math and fact. Dont know why you have a problem with people sharing their experience on getting invite on cor in endgame.

Hence I wrote an essay saying personal experience in detail.

I mean, ffxi is complicated with multiple gear sets and content, each content has different requirement too. And everyone also has VERY different playing experience based on who they play and interact with. Gear and job requirement for each player will be vastly different for everyone.

Is it entirely possible that a new cor get into "endgame" with low end savage set? Sure.

But keep in mind that it will not happen on everyone and anyone. If we just give one dimensional answers like "cor only needs (lowend) savage set". Fat chance is that he may try to join endgame that needs different set, and not ready for it. In the long run he ruins his own rep and everyone else's time.

And yup, I've seen spark gear cor joined my D/VD PUG before, when I shouted for DD(cor). And I blame people who keep saying "nobody care about cor dps" everywhere online.

That being said, I don't aim for absolute max geared members in every content too, they are certainly not necessary. I certainly don't care about melee sets if a melee set-less cor join my ranged pt, and vice versa. I don't care about high acc set in ilv 139 content with a brd, and I don't care about DD sets in a SMN pt either. You don't need every set on cor, but you do need to know when you will need those sets and avoid joining pt without them.

So for a new player, it's easier for them if they understand what kind of content that they are safe to bring cor to and what kind of content they should avoid until they have better gears.


All of my posts above covered essential points below:

1)Roll only cor is ok for friends and ls pt, not so much for PUG.

2) a cor really needs high level of wsd in savage set to be effective in 6 man ambu pt because there's limited spot available for DD, and their dps + roll needs to match 2nd DD.

3) multi step SC setup is an exception for 2), but it's not easy to get a slot as cor in such setup.

4) for dyna D etc, cor needs way more sets than just savage.

I believe with a more detailed reply like this(more than just "you only need a savage set"), a new player will have better understanding of where they can bring their cor to event based on what they have.

And IMO, THAT is useful for new players considering gearing up cor as 1st job. So they can make better decision on gear set prioritization and what content to bring cor to.

Nobody was making an argument that cor is easier or harder to gear v.s 21 other jobs in game to begin with.

We simply stated community expectations on a cor who tried to join a pt, that's different from whether you "can" clear or not. And in many cases, "I have a lowend savage blade set" doesn't always work in other people's eye was our point.


Yeah, so you are allowed to make a point of "nobody will pick a mont+1 war Because they have better choice".

But others are not allowed to make a point of "nobody will pick a cor with low end savage set because they have better choice".

Ok so the cor in your example has top tier savage set. But the war in same lv of gear can't get invite.....what?

So you are comparing a well geared cor with strong savage set v.s low end GS WAR? Or high end GS war? You keep saying war in mont +1 isn't getting invite to endgame, implying they have bad overall gear. Of course the cor who compare with it should use low end gears too.

This comparsion makes no sense at all. If the war that you talked about has as top end gear like cor with strong savage set, they can both get into endgame.....


Yup, never understand why every new player like to say "oh DDs are hard to gear I'm gonna avoid it" then on the same time they go "cor is so easy to gear". Its certainly very different from my(and many others) personal experience.

So like my will my sparks dd cor get an invite or what?

I already addressed this......


I mean, seriously, read the last page, not one single post tried to compare how fast one can gear cor v.s 21 other jobs. We only made a point of community often expect quite a bit of gears on cor....

This is your first post:

Then people disagree(or at least feel your answer is too simple and one dimensional) with your opinion that cor can do the hardest content and feel they need to add additional info by saying this:


Or this:



Then you called others taking your argument out if context and changed your opinion from

"Savage Blade, no RMEA COR can do even the current hardest content (T3 Dynamis D bosses) and parse well as well as providing buffs. "

To

"In the same quantity of time, effort and money that it would take to gear COR to a usable and desirable level I do not believe that you could gear other DDs to the same level of usability and desirability (>>>NOT ONLY DUE TO GEAR BUT ALSO THE FACT MOST PEOPLE LIKE TO PIMP A DD AND COR CAN BUFF ALSO<<<)."

When they were just adding additional info.

Then you decided to start a fight with me when I was agreeing with Anzas post with additional info and wasnt talking to you? Where did all that came from? Why do you feel like every single posts made by other people are fighting you when we are not?

Not one single person made a point of cor being harder or easier to gear v.s other jobs here except you.

Saying community often expect a cor to have more than savage blade set in endgame is not the same as saying cor has same/harder gearing difficulty than all other DD. What people are saying in this thread didn't even contradict your point about DD job gearing difficulty(which wasn't even your point in your 1st post). you are just replying because you thought people are saying you are wrong and feel like you gonna fight until the end.

so happy there's a block function on this forum D;

DirectX: I'm not gonna reply to your post again.

2 posts later....

DirectX:I'm not gonna reply to your post again. I'm really not gonna reply again. I'm gonna block you so I don't reply again.....

You can't resist can you.....:D.

If you can't resist relying to my posts then don't quote my posts when I was replying to another user >.>

Does ConMP trigger on the price of a cure before or after the payback from ebers pants?

aka cure cost =100mp, kick back is 80
Conmp triggers on the 100hp and reduces price with 28% lowering it to 72
kick back is 80 (caps at spell cost so only 72) so the cure was free

or
Prices is the 100 - the 80 kick back = 20
ConmP triggers on that 20 prices and only reduces that cost wit 28% so the final cost is 15mp ?

Yeah im pretty close to it too u gess ican go sit dow nand do the math.

I just needed to know so i know exactly how much to value conmp
If its before the kcick bakc conmpa is WAY more effective than if its after

ConMP triggers first, Ebers effect is based on the original cure cost.

Same thing for occult accumen and conMP.