The Pirates' Lair: A Guide To Corsair

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By Bahamut.Havelock 2013-01-28 08:11:14  
Cor AF 3 has Agi, snapshot AND stp so makes generally better /ra piece, especially if you can make use of the stp.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-01-28 08:17:45  
If no Salvage II or Limbus II, then yeah Navarch is more useful. If you don't need the stp Mirador trousers are the best pants you can get though.
Remember anyway that you can put Snapshot gear when you start the shot and then swap into better stats before it fires off.
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By Asura.Kormak 2013-01-28 08:22:30  
Thanks again for the tips, as ive never done mid command swaps before,
what would an appropriate wait be before changing, 0.25 or something?
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By fractalvoid 2013-01-28 08:33:37  
/wait 1 is sufficient for gun
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By Asura.Kormak 2013-01-28 09:34:12  
Thank you fractalvoid.

One last thing, am I better using /DNC with Acinaces and nugul for a LS set or stick with Chatoyant full time? (or possibly Ratk staff?)

Thanks again.

ps. The guide is great <Good job!>
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By fractalvoid 2013-01-28 09:36:02  
I wouldn't use chatoyant if you're using last stand. /war and nguul would be good.
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By Phoenix.Hapa 2013-01-28 10:22:11  
Asura.Kormak said: »
Thank you fractalvoid.

One last thing, am I better using /DNC with Acinaces and nugul for a LS set or stick with Chatoyant full time? (or possibly Ratk staff?)

Thanks again.

ps. The guide is great <Good job!>


What event are you doing? that more or less is what determines what subjob you are going to use. /war with nguul and a shield will give you that fencer bonus, +40 tp bonus with that I believe.
or if you are brave enough to aug a vulcan staff 50+ times for a ranged acc aug that would work with a reaver grip +1.
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By Phoenix.Hapa 2013-01-28 10:34:41  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
This. Didn't think it was hard to understand, and not sure why you need to be offensive either, people asked me if there's a backstory on Phoenix..I never even talked to you or anyone of your ls bar small conversations with Urteil and Cliamain.

And still waiting on tests proving QD enhances stuff like Tidal roar, sorry if I don't believe everything people say on the internet without a proof, I'm a skeptic person.


Me and a few people in my shell have already tested these enhancing augments from QD's and are testing others as well. Did you know Gooey Gerard gives a debuff that lowers attack and defense by 33% each? we are trying to test if that is a fire based debuff or water based debuff, because the same spell from blue mages "Corrosive Ooze" is a water attack, but when Gooey uses it, it becomes a fire attack. If we can find the element we can try to augment it correctly with QD. think +43% attack or defense down? A BST might have a place in legion if this is possible.

What I post about the QD augments I didn't just pull out of my bum. I have no problem sharing the info with aspiring corsairs at all, I would like nothing more then for people to be more effective at the job. However if you do not wish to believe me about them, go ahead and do your own testing as well. Comming from a linkshell that can beat Hall of Mul and odin II without any difficulty, I am telling you these things are usefull and very effective.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-01-28 10:37:08  
Stop being hostile for no reason. I am asking for such tests so that the whole community can make use of it.
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By fractalvoid 2013-01-28 10:37:48  
hurry for being informative and NOT abrasive at the same time!
what a concept
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By Sylph.Peldin 2013-01-28 10:40:55  
and hurray too =D
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By Phoenix.Jurges 2013-01-28 10:49:47  
I wish his guide didn't get locked. I hope he doesn't ruin your guide Seha.

Let us all know how BST works in Legion. There will be ALOT of amazing players excited to be involved with this event.
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By Phoenix.Suji 2013-01-28 11:30:50  
Phoenix.Hapa said: »
What I post about the QD augments I didn't just pull out of my bum. I have no problem sharing the info with aspiring corsairs at all, I would like nothing more then for people to be more effective at the job. However if you do not wish to believe me about them, go ahead and do your own testing as well. Comming from a linkshell that can beat Hall of Mul and odin II without any difficulty, I am telling you these things are usefull and very effective.
It has nothing to do with whether or not she believes you. If science was based solely on belief, we would surely be ***.

If you have good tests, you can post your test design somewhere along with all of the data and if it stands up to peer review, the community will accept it. It's not about belief, it's about proving the result with public, solid testing-- just like the majority of information we know about this game.

In general, assertions without accepted proof are only toxic to the community since, if they are revealed as misinformation, a frustrating clean-up process will have to take place, as the misinformation would have very likely spread throughout the community.
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By Cerberus.Ezeichiel 2013-01-29 22:02:17  
How does the ToM tp bonus gun compare to 85 arma on last stand? The damage multiplier on last stand doesn't increase much per 100 tp so it seems the extra base dmg and 10 agi on arma should win.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2013-01-29 22:09:34  
Get armageddon if you can.....
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2013-01-29 22:10:26  
Siren.Fupafighters said: »
Get armageddon if you can.....
Quite possibly the easiest Emp path.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2013-01-29 22:17:12  
No reason to not have armageddon if you've been on cor for more than 2 months.
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By Cerberus.Ezeichiel 2013-01-29 22:45:14  
I have an Armageddon lol, was just told that the bonus tp gun beats it on last stand, but looking at both guns and the modifier for the ws I was just wondering the validity of that comment.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-29 22:59:25  
Phoenix.Hapa said: »
Did you know Gooey Gerard gives a debuff that lowers attack and defense by 33% each? we are trying to test if that is a fire based debuff or water based debuff, because the same spell from blue mages "Corrosive Ooze" is a water attack, but when Gooey uses it, it becomes a fire attack.


Do you have testing for any of this? Both the potency and the fire dmg thing? Because the wiki says it's water dmg, and so is the blu spell. No other blu spell magically changes element like that, that I know of. Can you cite testing for this please?
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-01-29 23:58:05  
Cerberus.Ezeichiel said: »
How does the ToM tp bonus gun compare to 85 arma on last stand? The damage multiplier on last stand doesn't increase much per 100 tp so it seems the extra base dmg and 10 agi on arma should win.


WS Base Damage = floor(( Weapon Base Damage + (Ammo Damage) + fSTR(2) + WSC ) * fTP)

Akatos: DMG 53 TP bonus+100
Akatos: DMG 55 Weapon skill dmg+10%
Armageddon 85: DMG 61 AGI+10

Assuming 200 AGI, fSTR2 16, TP 100, have gorget/belt, pDIF at 1:
Akatos1: (53+89+16+170)x4.65=1525
Akatos2: (55+89+16+170)x4.4=1452 1452+145=1597
Armageddon 85: (61+89+16+178)x4.4=1513


Seems Akatos is superior? WS dmg+10%>TP bonus btw.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2013-01-30 00:17:04  
Cerberus.Ezeichiel said: »
I have an Armageddon lol, was just told that the bonus tp gun beats it on last stand, but looking at both guns and the modifier for the ws I was just wondering the validity of that comment.
Wildfire 300 tp -----> last stand. Already a clear winner.
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By Cerberus.Ezeichiel 2013-01-30 00:17:41  
Thanks afania, really appreciate showing the formula for the math as well
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-01-30 00:35:47  
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
Seems Akatos is superior? WS dmg+10%>TP bonus btw.
Does the TP bonus apply to both hits of Last Stand?

Siren.Fupafighters said: »
Wildfire 300 tp -----> last stand. Already a clear winner.
Aftermath doesn't effect WS dmg and COR's racc and ability to shoot as fast as RNG makes rattk kinda meh.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-30 00:44:12  
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
Seems Akatos is superior? WS dmg+10%>TP bonus btw.
Does the TP bonus apply to both hits of Last Stand?

It should, it's dmg varies with TP and it's one of those fTP carry over ones.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-01-30 00:50:37  
Odin.Eikechi said: »
It should, it's dmg varies with TP and it's one of those fTP carry over ones.

Oh duh yah I forgot for a sec gorget/belt works with LS.
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By Cerberus.Ezeichiel 2013-01-30 01:04:13  
Gonna start workin on my 90 arma, just hate playing anything but COR
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2013-01-30 01:22:44  
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
Seems Akatos is superior? WS dmg+10%>TP bonus btw.
Does the TP bonus apply to both hits of Last Stand?

Siren.Fupafighters said: »
Wildfire 300 tp -----> last stand. Already a clear winner.
Aftermath doesn't effect WS dmg and COR's racc and ability to shoot as fast as RNG makes rattk kinda meh.
Still....
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-30 01:27:32  
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Odin.Eikechi said: »
It should, it's dmg varies with TP and it's one of those fTP carry over ones.

Oh duh yah I forgot for a sec gorget/belt works with LS.

This is also why I was confused how the WS Dmg+10 > TP bonus.
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By Bahamut.Havelock 2013-01-30 03:02:14  
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
Cerberus.Ezeichiel said: »
How does the ToM tp bonus gun compare to 85 arma on last stand? The damage multiplier on last stand doesn't increase much per 100 tp so it seems the extra base dmg and 10 agi on arma should win.
WS Base Damage = floor(( Weapon Base Damage + (Ammo Damage) + fSTR(2) + WSC ) * fTP) Akatos: DMG 53 TP bonus+100 Akatos: DMG 55 Weapon skill dmg+10% Armageddon 85: DMG 61 AGI+10 Assuming 200 AGI, fSTR2 16, TP 100, have gorget/belt, pDIF at 1: Akatos1: (53+89+16+170)x4.65=1525 Akatos2: (55+89+16+170)x4.4=1452 1452+145=1597 Armageddon 85: (61+89+16+178)x4.4=1513 Seems Akatos is superior? WS dmg+10%>TP bonus btw.
Using this asumptions only Arma 99 beats 10%WSd
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-30 03:04:12  
If TP plays such a heavy roll in LS dmg, why is WSd+10% better? Not that the margin is huge, I'm just confused.
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