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Dark Knight - Entropy
Quetzalcoatl.Cloudxx
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By Quetzalcoatl.Cloudxx 2012-07-05 18:07:59
Hello people of the FFXIAH community I need help with my Entropy build
I would like some help in figuring out what I can upgrade.
I currently do not have access to Neo-Nyzul gear so thats out of the equation. Input be appreciated ^^ thank you
Siren.Stunx
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By Siren.Stunx 2012-07-05 18:17:51
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/29045/entropy
a bunch of discussion here about it, as well as a # of ppl with item sets for the ws.
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-07-05 18:18:55
Quetzalcoatl.Cloudxx said: »Hello people of the FFXIAH community I need help with my Entropy build
I would like some help in figuring out what I can upgrade.
I currently do not have access to Neo-Nyzul gear so thats out of the equation. Input be appreciated ^^ thank you
Elemental gorget, Moonshade earring (att4 tpbonus)would be easy and excellent upgrades.
Quetzalcoatl.Cloudxx
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By Quetzalcoatl.Cloudxx 2012-07-05 18:19:31
omg taint just commented on one of my threads, I am honored
Edit: I looked through that thread and almost nothing regarding Entropy was in just what scythe was best and that I should be using Resolution instead of Entropy.
Phoenix.Xairu
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By Phoenix.Xairu 2012-07-05 18:53:30
*didn't read linked thread* but I'd say if you're going to be using Entropy moreover Insurgency & such.. Get yourself a Nirastamo, and a Snow Sachet. I also use Affronter's on legs, was always more under the impression it was better to stack attribute on the merit ws vs atk.. aside from the nerfy atk penalty ones you NEED to stack atk for like Requiescat >_>;
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-07-06 08:44:06
*didn't read linked thread* but I'd say if you're going to be using Entropy moreover Insurgency & such.. Get yourself a Nirastamo, and a Snow Sachet. I also use Affronter's on legs, was always more under the impression it was better to stack attribute on the merit ws vs atk.. aside from the nerfy atk penalty ones you NEED to stack atk for like Requiescat >_>;
http://www.freewebs.com/vzx-01/dmgcalc.htm
Its a good read.
It all depends on what those stats are doing for you. Capped fSTR,pDIF,acc etc yes you'll want to stack the modifier. Generally thats means you'll want to have 2-3 different WS sets for different situations. In my experience very very few players make that effort. If you are doing to use 1 WS set items like Bale legs +2 will overall be a far superior option to Affronter's.
Cerberus.Detzu
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-07-06 12:09:28
*didn't read linked thread* but I'd say if you're going to be using Entropy moreover Insurgency & such.. Get yourself a Nirastamo, and a Snow Sachet. I also use Affronter's on legs, was always more under the impression it was better to stack attribute on the merit ws vs atk.. aside from the nerfy atk penalty ones you NEED to stack atk for like Requiescat >_>;
http://www.freewebs.com/vzx-01/dmgcalc.htm
Its a good read.
It all depends on what those stats are doing for you. Capped fSTR,pDIF,acc etc yes you'll want to stack the modifier. Generally thats means you'll want to have 2-3 different WS sets for different situations. In my experience very very few players make that effort. If you are doing to use 1 WS set items like Bale legs +2 will overall be a far superior option to Affronter's.
Do you agree that Huginn hose > bale fanchard +2 for entropy?
And what about the NQ hose?
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-07-06 12:15:35
*didn't read linked thread* but I'd say if you're going to be using Entropy moreover Insurgency & such.. Get yourself a Nirastamo, and a Snow Sachet. I also use Affronter's on legs, was always more under the impression it was better to stack attribute on the merit ws vs atk.. aside from the nerfy atk penalty ones you NEED to stack atk for like Requiescat >_>;
http://www.freewebs.com/vzx-01/dmgcalc.htm
Its a good read.
It all depends on what those stats are doing for you. Capped fSTR,pDIF,acc etc yes you'll want to stack the modifier. Generally thats means you'll want to have 2-3 different WS sets for different situations. In my experience very very few players make that effort. If you are doing to use 1 WS set items like Bale legs +2 will overall be a far superior option to Affronter's.
Do you agree that Huginn hose > bale fanchard +2 for entropy?
And what about the NQ hose?
Yes for both.
Cerberus.Detzu
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-07-06 12:18:24
*didn't read linked thread* but I'd say if you're going to be using Entropy moreover Insurgency & such.. Get yourself a Nirastamo, and a Snow Sachet. I also use Affronter's on legs, was always more under the impression it was better to stack attribute on the merit ws vs atk.. aside from the nerfy atk penalty ones you NEED to stack atk for like Requiescat >_>;
http://www.freewebs.com/vzx-01/dmgcalc.htm
Its a good read.
It all depends on what those stats are doing for you. Capped fSTR,pDIF,acc etc yes you'll want to stack the modifier. Generally thats means you'll want to have 2-3 different WS sets for different situations. In my experience very very few players make that effort. If you are doing to use 1 WS set items like Bale legs +2 will overall be a far superior option to Affronter's.
Do you agree that Huginn hose > bale fanchard +2 for entropy?
And what about the NQ hose?
Yes for both.
Cool thank you.
Ragnarok.Ashman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-07-06 12:20:13
Quetzalcoatl.Cloudxx said: »omg taint just commented on one of my threads, I am honored Edit: I looked through that thread and almost nothing regarding Entropy was in just what scythe was best and that I should be using Resolution instead of Entropy.
Liberator would probably be best when aftermath is up.
You can swap the 4 int WoE ammo in as well. If you have an absess of voidstones do some mantis for ogiers pants. They're a really good drop rate in my experience.
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Ragnarok.Fasaga
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By Ragnarok.Fasaga 2012-10-30 13:41:26
Bumping this... looking for Ideal Entropy set, will be done w/ apoc as soon as the goblin gets his *** in gear so changing over ruinator to entropy... haven't had much luck finding any gearsets tho.
Ragnarok.Ashman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-10-30 13:45:26
swap in hombre tathlum if you have more money/inventory than me. Obviously there are different choices based on attack/accuracy/ele day etc.
Cerberus.Detzu
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-10-30 13:48:22
swap in hombre tathlum if you have more money/inventory than me. Obviously there are different choices based on attack/accuracy/ele day etc.
Wouldn't you use twilight mail over phorcys? Shinryu is a b****, i wanna know if it still worth bothering with this.
Ragnarok.Fasaga
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By Ragnarok.Fasaga 2012-10-30 13:52:36
I'm guessing the 7% damage on WS along w/ the STR + 5% attack out weighs the added INT, and twilight is good to have for refresh and RR when needed
Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-10-30 14:00:22
Twilight mail is better(Phorcys wsd+7 is first hit only).
Also can use a int+7 ring rather than Rajas
Cerberus.Detzu
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-10-30 14:05:19
I'm guessing the 7% damage on WS along w/ the STR + 5% attack out weighs the added INT, and twilight is good to have for refresh and RR when needed
But the 7% bonus applies on 1st hit so it's 7/4 = 1.75 dmg bonus. However, the att+ may outweigh twilight.
Edit : I didn't see Kvazz post... I'll do shin again and again...
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-10-30 14:05:26
Should also swap out the legs in most cases. Huginn ideally, probably Bale +2 otherwise.
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Ragnarok.Zeromega
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By Ragnarok.Zeromega 2012-10-30 14:37:29
Twilight mail is better(Phorcys wsd+7 is first hit only).
Also can use a int+7 ring rather than Rajas Sorry i just tried to look around for this, where does testing show its only first hit? i can only find info saying testing says its 7% ws damage bonus with no specifics
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By Ragnarok.Legendarycloud 2012-10-30 14:49:41
This is the set I've been using for Entropy.
I guess depending on the math geniuses in here, might need to swap the Twilight Mail for Phorcys Korazin, and also the Ogier's Breeches for Bale Flanchard +2?
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By Odin.Registry 2012-10-30 14:51:53
Ragnarok.Zeromega said: »Twilight mail is better(Phorcys wsd+7 is first hit only).
Also can use a int+7 ring rather than Rajas Sorry i just tried to look around for this, where does testing show its only first hit? i can only find info saying testing says its 7% ws damage bonus with no specifics
Pretty much all Weaponskill Damage % increase is first hit only (includes Ogier's Breeches).
If nobody has a link to the testing I can go find it.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-10-30 15:26:31
Info on various WSD multipliers starts here and goes on for several pages.
Ragnarok.Zeromega
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By Ragnarok.Zeromega 2012-10-30 16:02:45
Info on various WSD multipliers starts here and goes on for several pages. post 215 and 220 in the thread apparently are the answer
ogier's and phorcys body only count for the first hit, but magian trial weapons with the ws dmg+ count for all
well that's crap, good to know tho
Ragnarok.Fasaga
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By Ragnarok.Fasaga 2012-10-30 17:47:41
Ragnarok.Zeromega said: »Info on various WSD multipliers starts here and goes on for several pages. post 215 and 220 in the thread apparently are the answer
ogier's and phorcys body only count for the first hit, but magian trial weapons with the ws dmg+ count for all
well that's crap, good to know tho Well ***I was under the impression that it was the same as the relic boost, just an added percentile bonus at the end of the formula. So then twilight > phorcy? Or does the attack bonus still out weigh
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-10-30 17:58:39
Scary how many people still don't know about Phorcys and Ogier....
Twilight is the clear winner, DRK should have very little need for attack and if you do there are other pieces you would swap way before Twilight body.
Phoenix.Urteil
By Phoenix.Urteil 2012-10-30 18:24:03
Just remember to full time Twilight and dandy spectacles.
If you don't die, you can dps longer and do more damage.
And to macro in your STR gear mid jump during Shoa beacuse the second hit is the one that counts because you jump.
Real talk: Twilight body seems best for me after using both for Entropy.
Ragnarok.Fasaga
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By Ragnarok.Fasaga 2012-10-30 18:46:34
I guess you have to read more into the phrase "increase weapon skill damage by 7%"
Hello people of the FFXIAH community I need help with my Entropy build
I would like some help in figuring out what I can upgrade.
I currently do not have access to Neo-Nyzul gear so thats out of the equation. Input be appreciated ^^ thank you
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