Working hard on my SMN and was about to do the Garuda stave but is it even worth the effort? -7 Perp isn't a big deal now and BP delay can be capped with a dozen other items.
Thoughts? I'll definitely do them if they are worth it.
Perp Staves Worth It?
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Perp Staves worth it?
If you really like SMN, have the inventory space, like to solo a lot, and even more so if you have the time to make them, then yes. Otherwise, I personally don't think they are needed. Using Bahamut's Staff still myself and the new prism staves will work just fine as a space saver as well. I've solo some of the tougher NM's in Abyssea and didn't have any MP issues without them.
It's worth getting them to at least the lv85 stage where they're -6 perp, Allows you to cap perp with AF3 +2 body/feet and evoker's ring, allowing any other auto refresh slots to give refresh (and auto refresh II.)
Honestly depends on what you intend to use your summoner for and where you intend to use it.
If you plan to use it casually or solo things like Abyssea mobs where mp is rarely an issue then I'd say don't bother. However, if you plan to use summoner in the newer content like Legion or idk, Neo Limbus/Einherjar perhaps, then I'd say it's worth it... especially for Legion. It's not entirely difficult to reduce your blood pact delay to the 45 second cap without the staves, but for an avatar such as Ramuh having a 45 second Shock Squall in addition to -7 Perpetuation in a fast paced, mp-heavy event (where you probably don't have a bard or corsair [depending on party set ups]) that is where the staff shines imo. When I did legion on Wednesday I saw a few of the summoner's were never able to regain their mp to a comfortable amount after using perfect defense. I put that down to a combination of a crappy Elemental Siphon due to low summoning skill and avatars that aren't free due to their choice of staves. So yeah, it all depends on what extent you wish to play summoner to. Could do what I did. Go braindead doing half the staves then start Nirvana. But seriously, pretty much what the others said above. Good mp tool. Could potentially help if one day the BP delay cap gets reduced too.
Lakshmi.Zeosilot said: » Honestly depends on what you intend to use your summoner for and where you intend to use it. If you plan to use it casually or solo things like Abyssea mobs where mp is rarely an issue then I'd say don't bother. However, if you plan to use summoner in the newer content like Legion or idk, Neo Limbus/Einherjar perhaps, then I'd say it's worth it... especially for Legion. It's not entirely difficult to reduce your blood pact delay to the 45 second cap without the staves, but for an avatar such as Ramuh having a 45 second Shock Squall in addition to -7 Perpetuation in a fast paced, mp-heavy event (where you probably don't have a bard or corsair [depending on party set ups]) that is where the staff shines imo. When I did legion on Wednesday I saw a few of the summoner's were never able to regain their mp to a comfortable amount after using perfect defense. I put that down to a combination of a crappy Elemental Siphon due to low summoning skill and avatars that aren't free due to their choice of staves. So yeah, it all depends on what extent you wish to play summoner to. Thanks for the post, definitely a Legion build is what my SMN if for. I'm DD 99% of the time but hate being gimp for anything, so that rare time I'm on SMN I'd like to have a nice build. Gonna make a few staves. Thank you all. Do the ramuh staff the rest really aren't worth it.
well, here is another factor that i don't think was taken into account. perp - only removes the perp, it doesn't add a refresh if you exceed the cost of the avitar. so if you have refresh 1,2,3 with the HQ ele staves, then you will gain no additional benefit from a staff that is perp -7. myself, i have the new HQ prism staff because ive had the 8 hq's for years. i also have 4/5 smn +2 and 1 +1 so i have extra perp- from that as well as the refresh +2. so when i have an avitar out, i have 4 refresh with just the hq staff.
beyond that, if you do want to have them all, really stop and consider which avitars you play with. personally in abyssea i usually stick to shiva or ramuh because i have the most ice mab atmas. but outside i use whichever one works with the day/element present. not all people play that way though. so if you find that you never use 1 or 2 avitars, then id say go ahead and skip those elements. Quote: well, here is another factor that i don't think was taken into account. perp - only removes the perp, it doesn't add a refresh if you exceed the cost of the avitar.
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Shiva.Paulu said: » The point with the extra perp- from the magian staff was that you could alter your gear set The days of Summoners being all the same, when gear and magic skill didn't matter are over. It got missed by most because we only recieved 1-2 usefull gear per new event, but they did add up by now. And every focused slot of -perp does open it up for other gear choices which put you ahead of other Summoners now. But you have to work on it more than other jobs because a few choices come from augment-farming. Also note: the last -1 from costs is covered by your first auto-Refresh. As example for letting your Avatar melee while you watch from afar: Instead of Nirvana use the ToM-Staves and replace an Angel's Ring with Evoker's Ring. This puts you at: -14Perp Cost, +10% Pet Haste, +13-15% Pet Critical Hit Rate (depending on Aureate Necklace), +17-24 Pet Acc, Rugged Mantle is only option for Pet Att+ but is so tiny it can be ignored. Other Jobs got good upgrades so Selenian Cap becomes avaible for SMNs. *Incomming Noob-SMN Question*
Okaaayy... i really dont know, but when useing Ramuh just to Shock Squall and dont care about his dmg, wouldnt it be enough to have this Favor stuff active? This reduces your perputation cost by -4. And Favor from Ramuh also gives Crit hitrate if the SMN happen to be in a DD PT still so not that big loss to have less att/mab on the avatar. Or would it hurt Shock Squall to have that active to lower the cost? Normal Avatars like Ramuh cost 15 MP if i understand that right and all cost atleast 1 MP? (before Refresh) so af3+2 body and feet + HQ staff + favor is 4+3+3+4=14 so will cost nothing and you have Auto Refresh II and atleast the head and legsslot free to give you 4 tic Refresh? Correct me if i am wrong and for sur i am lol, but for me it dont seems that usefull/worth the work to have the -perp staves. Atleast when you only use SMN to PD and Shocksquall.
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And if you want to use DRG only for Angon then you do not need a polearm.
If you only want to perform 1-2 actions you just need to gear for those. Others might not be so happy about that though. As for your question: there is no known Acc/MAcc penalty with Avatar's Favor which would hurt Shock Squall.
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Cerberus.Mindi said: » *Incomming Noob-SMN Question* Okaaayy... i really dont know, but when useing Ramuh just to Shock Squall and dont care about his dmg, wouldnt it be enough to have this Favor stuff active? This reduces your perputation cost by -4. And Favor from Ramuh also gives Crit hitrate if the SMN happen to be in a DD PT still so not that big loss to have less att/mab on the avatar. Or would it hurt Shock Squall to have that active to lower the cost? Normal Avatars like Ramuh cost 15 MP if i understand that right and all cost atleast 1 MP? (before Refresh) so af3+2 body and feet + HQ staff + favor is 4+3+3+4=14 so will cost nothing and you have Auto Refresh II and atleast the head and legsslot free to give you 4 tic Refresh? Correct me if i am wrong and for sur i am lol, but for me it dont seems that usefull/worth the work to have the -perp staves. Atleast when you only use SMN to PD and Shocksquall. Fenrir.Gundulagause said: » Cerberus.Mindi said: » *Incomming Noob-SMN Question* Okaaayy... i really dont know, but when useing Ramuh just to Shock Squall and dont care about his dmg, wouldnt it be enough to have this Favor stuff active? This reduces your perputation cost by -4. And Favor from Ramuh also gives Crit hitrate if the SMN happen to be in a DD PT still so not that big loss to have less att/mab on the avatar. Or would it hurt Shock Squall to have that active to lower the cost? Normal Avatars like Ramuh cost 15 MP if i understand that right and all cost atleast 1 MP? (before Refresh) so af3+2 body and feet + HQ staff + favor is 4+3+3+4=14 so will cost nothing and you have Auto Refresh II and atleast the head and legsslot free to give you 4 tic Refresh? Correct me if i am wrong and for sur i am lol, but for me it dont seems that usefull/worth the work to have the -perp staves. Atleast when you only use SMN to PD and Shocksquall. Quote: Please stop playing summoner. To be fair she did openly say that she had a "noob summoner" question and that she was probably wrong. Since you clearly think you know better, you could try helping her instead of being rude for no reason.
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I for one have all the Magian perp staffs but the light. Use the Carby Pole for that. I spike Heavenly Strikes all the time in Abyssea using MM/Ultima/Beyond for 10,000 to my best 10938 on reg. mobs and spike 9000-9339 best on NMs. Use gales/MM/Beyond for Wind Blade. With any avatar out without Favor I get 3mp refresh back. Don't forget those staffs have ele affinity. Outside abyssea I do 2k-up to 9k spikes and have pict. to prove all this. So I say yes there all worth it. The best 2 pc as a smn in my book, get the AF2+2 w/augments on the hands and feet. Thats where you will realy see a difference. PS My Friends call me the Ice Man.
Never would have guessed perp cost and BP delay affected damage, thanks Ice Man.
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Ramuh.Austar said: » Never would have guessed perp cost and BP delay affected damage, thanks Ice Man. You mean the one for player nukes, or the one that reduces perp cost?
Ramuh.Austar said: » You mean the one for player nukes, or the one that reduces perp cost? So you're saying "Wind Affinity: Avatar perp. cost -7" boosts pet damage?
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It doesn't. The only staves that will boost pet magic damage are soulscourge, fay crozier, pet magic attack bonus magian, and Nirvana. Those spikes you see are blood boon af3 procs.
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Ramuh.Austar said: » So you're saying "Wind Affinity: Avatar perp. cost -7" boosts pet damage? Shiva.Paulu said: » It doesn't. The only staves that will boost pet magic damage are soulscourge, fay crozier, pet magic attack bonus magian, and Nirvana. Those spikes you see are blood boon af3 procs. Perp - staves do not affect BP damage, test it outside abyssea and post real factual evidence, i.e no tp apart from merits with no gear on apart from staff on, staff off on level 1 mobs. It's blood boon procs / tp bonus. If however they do actually work the staves will be worth doing outside of the Ramuh one.
You're in abyssea. My SMN can pump out large numbers too, but it is because of the atma. Your perp- staff isn't affecting dmg. It's only functions are reducing perpetuation costs and BP Delay. It says so right on the staff.
You don't find it odd that such a great fact wouldn't be known across the community by now if it were true?
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Cerberus.Cahlum said: » Perp - staves does not affect BP damage, test it outside abyssea and post real factual evidence, i.e no tp apart from merits with no gear on apart from staff on, staff off on level 1 mobs. It's blood boon procs / tp bonus. Shiva.Paulu said: » You're in abyssea. My SMN can pump out large numbers too, but it is because of the atma. Your perp- staff isn't affecting dmg. It's only functions are reducing perpetuation costs and BP Delay. It says so right on the staff. You don't find it odd that such a great fact wouldn't be known across the community by now if it were true? |
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