The Parthenon: A Warrior's Kyklos

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By Phoenix.Lxion 2013-05-06 11:32:46  
Siren.Vanian said: »
Do tp sets change much now that the new Gaxe's have 504 delay?

Best I can tell is using Phorcys Legs to create a new X-Hit, I guess they'd look similar to Conq TP builds excluding AM3. Could be wrong
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By Sylph.Decimus 2013-05-06 11:44:48  
Phoenix.Lxion said: »
Siren.Vanian said: »
Do tp sets change much now that the new Gaxe's have 504 delay?

Best I can tell is using Phorcys Legs to create a new X-Hit, I guess they'd look similar to Conq TP builds excluding AM3. Could be wrong

I'm using the proposed Conqueror set but substituting in the new datk set earrings which puts me at 47 stp including sam sub (da3 stp6 on armada). I have 10 stp in my Upheaval set and my 5 hit works. These sets also seem to make up for the acc my 99 Ukon was lacking. As much as it sucks to put it away this works much better.

ItemSet 299865ItemSet 299866ItemSet 299868
Upgrading Mikinaak Breastplate to get STR+25 VIT+15 Accuracy+28 Attack+33 Physical damage taken -3% when finished

Edit - Added Asperity/Zoran's/Mikinaak Legs (upgraded on str path)

I don't know the neck/back that work best but I'm sure all the usual suspects are in play for tp.
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By Cerberus.Cavion 2013-05-06 17:39:06  
the new Zoran's Belt is better then phos and only 8k phasm. as well the new miki. pants when aug is better then karieyh. other then that i like it most of it is pretty easy to obtain except dracenhorn but af3+2 does suffice nicely with extra acc
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-05-06 17:41:51  
Since it's not Conqueror, should most likely use Atheling mantle/Portus(or rancor collar) combo, didn't run number but I'm 99% sure it would win.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2013-05-06 17:55:03  
Asura.Ccl said: »
Since it's not Conqueror, should most likely use Atheling mantle/Portus(or rancor collar) combo, didn't run number but I'm 99% sure it would win.
The new stp/da neck from delve NMs might be useful as well.
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By Sylph.Kapi 2013-05-06 23:49:25  
I'm coming up with some idea about new Accuracy Gear (Most likely new TP set for Delve ERA).

ItemSet 299876

Mikinaak Helm (Aug Rnk15 Type B): +15acc, +10atk, +10dex
Miki. Breastplate (Aug Rnk15 Type B): aug +15acc, +10atk, +10dex

This will give total stat look like:
Mikinaak Breatplate: DEF80 STR+15 DEX+10 VIT+15 Accuracy+33 Attack+28 Physical damage taken -3%
Mikinaak Helm: DEF51 MP+40 STR+12 DEX+22 Attack+20 Accuracy+15 Haste+7%
Compare to
Armada Hauberk: DEF54 STR+11 DEX+11 Accuracy+16 Attack+16 Evasion-11 Double Attack+3 Store TP+6

We are losing 6STP and 3DA from Armada, But getting 2DA from neck, 4STP from neck and earring. So total lost 1DA, 2STP make this set lack of true 6hits setup. But it's good for accuracy, dex, atk, str BOOST.
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By Phoenix.Ayrendel 2013-05-07 00:03:58  
Sylph.Kapi said: »
I'm coming up with some idea about new Accuracy Gear (Most likely new TP set for Delve ERA).

The question is why would you be using Ukon if you have access to the gear listed?
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By Shiva.Mavre 2013-05-07 00:04:03  
ItemSet 299936

Showing this as a 5 hit with the new weapon. Phorcys head and tyrant's ring until able to get the new crazy armor from delve. Thoughts?
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By Phoenix.Ayrendel 2013-05-07 00:23:45  
Shiva.Mavre said: »
Showing this as a 5 hit with the new weapon. Phorcys head and tyrant's ring until able to get the new crazy armor from delve. Thoughts?

I wouldn't rely on the 1stp upgrade from Tyrant's because that ring seems to be a Delve boss drop, thus much less accessible than other things.
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By Fairy.Makum 2013-05-07 00:24:22  
Phoenix.Ayrendel said: »
Sylph.Kapi said: »
I'm coming up with some idea about new Accuracy Gear (Most likely new TP set for Delve ERA).

The question is why would you be using Ukon if you have access to the gear listed?

Ukonvasara itself will get upgrade soon. I just stick with Ukon not gonig to bother new Axe.
 
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By Sylph.Decimus 2013-05-07 00:56:31  
Shiva.Mavre said: »
ItemSet 299936

Showing this as a 5 hit with the new weapon. Phorcys head and tyrant's ring until able to get the new crazy armor from delve. Thoughts?

lol, Yaoyotl helm but no duplus. Ideal sets are fun but let's be at least a little bit serious. And my bad on Zoran's/Asperity. I just put together what I was using since I was short on plasm at the time.
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By Carbuncle.Tyleron 2013-05-07 06:57:47  
For Bloodbath most of you leaning towards path a or b? Thinking the extra acc at this stage of the game is the way to go.

Thoughts?
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By Shiva.Mavre 2013-05-07 10:09:53  
Sylph.Decimus said: »
Shiva.Mavre said: »
ItemSet 299936

Showing this as a 5 hit with the new weapon. Phorcys head and tyrant's ring until able to get the new crazy armor from delve. Thoughts?

lol, Yaoyotl helm but no duplus. Ideal sets are fun but let's be at least a little bit serious. And my bad on Zoran's/Asperity. I just put together what I was using since I was short on plasm at the time.


Thats why I said phorcys and tyrant's for the time being. Didnt even think about the 30m+ that people can spend for an extra 1% double attack. My bad.
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By Cerberus.Cavion 2013-05-07 20:01:01  
If i use sole sushi i have like a 85-90%acc farming plasm and i went att path for more damage.
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By Asura.Cambion 2013-05-08 02:37:40  
Sylph.Decimus said: »
Shiva.Mavre said: »
ItemSet 299936

Showing this as a 5 hit with the new weapon. Phorcys head and tyrant's ring until able to get the new crazy armor from delve. Thoughts?

lol, Yaoyotl helm but no duplus. Ideal sets are fun but let's be at least a little bit serious. And my bad on Zoran's/Asperity. I just put together what I was using since I was short on plasm at the time.

Duplus is usually a Money Issue, whereas Yaoyotl will be farmable.
Albeit with LS's that can successfully do legion as well, but still.

Carbuncle.Tyleron said: »
For Bloodbath most of you leaning towards path a or b? Thinking the extra acc at this stage of the game is the way to go.

Thoughts?

The issue with the Acc path is we assume it ends with Dex.

15Att
10Acc
10Str

vs
15Acc
10Att
10Dex

The Str should go further.
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By Odin.Registry 2013-05-08 04:15:12  
ItemSet 300157

Was pretty much the best I could find as far as realistic gear goes (obviously can change Huginn to Rav+2 and Duplus to Pole, losing about 1 dps and 5 dps, respectively). About a 15-16% dps increase over 99 Ukon. Granted, it's 4am and I could be completely wrong.

edit: err... that's just using base Bloodbath with no augments and not using Mik Body for Upheaval.

edit2: Priority should be GA > Neck > Earrings > Waist.

edit3: Huginn's falling behind if you need accuracy, so I really wouldn't worry too much about not having them. They're more of an MS Upheaval Piece.
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By Carbuncle.Tyleron 2013-05-08 11:52:52  
Asura.Cambion said: »
Sylph.Decimus said: »
Shiva.Mavre said: »
ItemSet 299936

Showing this as a 5 hit with the new weapon. Phorcys head and tyrant's ring until able to get the new crazy armor from delve. Thoughts?

lol, Yaoyotl helm but no duplus. Ideal sets are fun but let's be at least a little bit serious. And my bad on Zoran's/Asperity. I just put together what I was using since I was short on plasm at the time.

Duplus is usually a Money Issue, whereas Yaoyotl will be farmable.
Albeit with LS's that can successfully do legion as well, but still.

Carbuncle.Tyleron said: »
For Bloodbath most of you leaning towards path a or b? Thinking the extra acc at this stage of the game is the way to go.

Thoughts?

The issue with the Acc path is we assume it ends with Dex.

15Att
10Acc
10Str

vs
15Acc
10Att
10Dex

The Str should go further.

Yeah, but for now going to take it to lvl 3 plan b, and sit there till June. Plenty of other gear to spend the airelixirs on.

No sense in spending a ton of points and then finding out the REM adjustment negates it
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By Carbuncle.Tyleron 2013-05-08 11:56:46  
Fairy.Makum said: »
Phoenix.Ayrendel said: »
Sylph.Kapi said: »
I'm coming up with some idea about new Accuracy Gear (Most likely new TP set for Delve ERA).

The question is why would you be using Ukon if you have access to the gear listed?

Ukonvasara itself will get upgrade soon. I just stick with Ukon not gonig to bother new Axe.

Takes 4-5 hours to get the new GA. Honestly sucking for two+ months is not an option. Plus you run the risk of it being a prerequisite to upgrade REM.
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By Asura.Cambion 2013-05-08 13:10:42  
Carbuncle.Tyleron said: »
Yeah, but for now going to take it to lvl 3 plan b, and sit there till June. Plenty of other gear to spend the airelixirs on.

No sense in spending a ton of points and then finding out the REM adjustment negates it

I actually agree, and did the same thing, for a different reason.
I did ranks 1 and 2 only, with the Accuracy Path, because once the Synth weapons become obtainable, that Great Axe should easily destroy a max upgraded Bloodbath. I've been selling all my airlixers for the time being.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-08 21:31:24  
Regarding Upheaval:

Is Bibiki Seashell the second best option after Oneiros/other pebble?
Is Knightly Mantle better than Atheling when no Oneiros?

If it depends on situation, which would be better and when?
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By Odin.Registry 2013-05-08 22:08:11  
Atheling's better than Oneiros if you don't have Conq AM3 up.

I'd probably use that 5 VIT ammo from Legion if you have it, if not I guess Bibiki would be okay.

Pretty much thinking these are best sets (without Yaoyotl Helm or however you spell it):

TP:
ItemSet 300157

Upheaval:
ItemSet 300184


Correct me if I'm wrong.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-08 22:33:58  
I can't afford Oneiros yet so I wanted to make sure that Bibiki Seashell is the next best option to use until then.

I don't have Conqueror so I'll just switch to Atheling then, thanks.

Oh and about belt, Caudata (Warwolf if not) is better than Light belt? I just geared WAR a few days ago, mainly based myself on the set on the main page, hence the questions.
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By Odin.Registry 2013-05-08 22:40:11  
Caudata's much better if you need the attack (which with anything qilin and higher is basically always). And just get Caudata, Warwolf is no good and Caudata is only 24k Marks if you don't have the 500-700k or whatever.

Also have Phorcys hands beating Huginn hands without Conq AM3 active (albeit, by .2 dps, but still...).
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-08 22:47:13  
I have never done Meeble so once again, Warwolf would just be a placeholder for a few days.

Well thanks, I'll go make some money for all of this.
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By Odin.Registry 2013-05-08 22:47:58  
Ele. Belt would be better in that case.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-08 22:48:46  
All right, will allow me to clear some inventory!
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By Niwa 2013-05-09 00:17:41  
Wait, so the Asperity Necklace beats out Portus Collar?
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By Sylph.Decimus 2013-05-09 00:26:10  
You need Asperity for the stp in that set to 5 hit.
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2013-05-09 00:44:44  
I added Bloodbath sets to the guide and updated the Upheaval sets since those are the most relevant sets at this time.

Going to hold off on doing any major overhauls to the guide until it's clear SE has had their fill of turning everything upside down on us.
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