The Parthenon: A Warrior's Kyklos

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By Bahamut.Malothar 2013-05-09 07:13:06  
Odin.Registry said: »
Atheling's better than Oneiros if you don't have Conq AM3 up.

I'd probably use that 5 VIT ammo from Legion if you have it, if not I guess Bibiki would be okay.

Pretty much thinking these are best sets (without Yaoyotl Helm or however you spell it):

TP:
ItemSet 300157

Upheaval:
ItemSet 300184


Correct me if I'm wrong.

Pretty much the same sets myself and a War LS friend came up with. One minor difference, we assumed Mik. Legs would pull ahead once upgraded. Is this the case or no? And if so, at what rank would they begin pulling ahead? Know you take a hit on the Vit mod, but we felt the additional acc and Str would work in their favor.

Would also be interested in seeing a Restraint up set.
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By Odin.Creaucent 2013-05-09 07:28:11  
With str path you gain 7 str 15 att 20 acc while you lose 3 vit.
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By Bahamut.Malothar 2013-05-09 07:43:50  
Odin.Creaucent said: »
With str path you gain 7 str 15 att 20 acc while you lose 3 vit.
Right. Just asking cause he nailed down nearly 100% what my friend and I came to, cept for those legs, so would rather ask it then pull the omgwtf y u forget legs nub card. Plus, I'm timid at 7:30 AM lol.
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By Odin.Registry 2013-05-09 09:58:29  
I sort of assumed non-upgraded stuff for now (or just one or two upgrades), just because we're really unsure where anything's heading and to dump that much gil worth of airlixirs into gear that may or may not be worth it probably isn't the best idea. But yes, if you were to upgrade them they would be better.

As far as a restraint up set goes, that's still the best.

If you need serious accuracy then there are better sets, but I haven't come across anything yet (granted, I haven't done all of the new NMs yet) that the previously posted set with Letalis Mantle wouldn't cap with 2x mad + hunter's. Well, Ceizak Fracture things you probably wouldn't be capped at all times, but *** that noise.
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By Bahamut.Malothar 2013-05-09 10:49:22  
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Well, Ceizak Fracture things you probably wouldn't be capped at all times, but *** that noise.
1/6 uptime on that evasion boost is so annoying. Hate losing track of time/not seeing it in chatlog, or having it go off RIGHT when I WS. Shits caused more whiffed Upheavals than I care to admit. :(
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2013-05-09 16:38:10  
Bahamut.Malothar said: »
Odin.Registry said: »
Well, Ceizak Fracture things you probably wouldn't be capped at all times, but *** that noise.
1/6 uptime on that evasion boost is so annoying. Hate losing track of time/not seeing it in chatlog, or having it go off RIGHT when I WS. Shits caused more whiffed Upheavals than I care to admit. :(
*A sudden clamor causes your accuracy to floor RIGHT as you ready this weaponskill!*

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By Datass 2013-05-10 08:47:47  
Here's what I've been thinking... tell me if this is logical or stupid.

Since I returned to the game a few months ago, I've chosen to gear mostly around using Ukko's with my Ukon. (Keep in mind I haven't had the playtime to make optimal builds for multiple WS mods etc.)

Now that Ukon will be taking a back seat to Delve weapons until R/M/E get updated, I have been going back and forth about which new weapon to obtain in the interim. Since I have a decent Ukko's set built around STR mod, it seems like I'd be better served grabbing the Delve GSword for Reso spam than grabbing the Gaxe and needing to obtain a bunch of VIT gear for Upheaval.

Since I plan on going back to Ukon eventually anyhow, does this make sense or is there some other factor that outweighs what I've said?
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By Lakshmi.Eyrhika 2013-05-10 09:04:41  
Datass said: »
Here's what I've been thinking... tell me if this is logical or stupid.

Since I returned to the game a few months ago, I've chosen to gear mostly around using Ukko's with my Ukon. (Keep in mind I haven't had the playtime to make optimal builds for multiple WS mods etc.)

Now that Ukon will be taking a back seat to Delve weapons until R/M/E get updated, I have been going back and forth about which new weapon to obtain in the interim. Since I have a decent Ukko's set built around STR mod, it seems like I'd be better served grabbing the Delve GSword for Reso spam than grabbing the Gaxe and needing to obtain a bunch of VIT gear for Upheaval.

Since I plan on going back to Ukon eventually anyhow, does this make sense or is there some other factor that outweighs what I've said?

WAR is not on the greatsword... Rag is actually an anomoly for WARs.. our gswd options are kinda crappy
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By Datass 2013-05-10 09:38:51  
^ Holy crap- I didn't even think to check that... Thanks for straightening me out. Bloodbath/Upheaval it is!
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By Cerberus.Maxiel 2013-05-10 16:41:45  
So is it true that there are no reliable sets that can make use of the Restraint bonus hands in a Bloodbath 5hit? I've even been trying to play around with mid-low tier sets that doesn't include Augmented E-body and Q-helm and in turn only use Ravager Body +2 and Phorcys salade. Even with those restrictions sets with ogier hands still wins.

is it just because Upheaval isn't that impressive that the gap between white damage and WS damage isn't as big as we're used to?

Another question I have in mind: is it worth stacking more store tp to make a true 5-hit with the TP return from the WS? If all hits land Upheaval gives 16.5 TP, so all you need is 38 store tp (20.9 tp/hit) to get a true 5-hit. Again playing around with spreadsheet doesn't show that it's worth it, so I'm just double checking with people here that the spreadsheet isn't broken and recognizes the "pesudo-4-hit" you can make after you WS.
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By Tickmeoff 2013-05-10 17:14:02  
Would elemental gorget be the next best thing behind apathy gorget for Upheaval? Apathy gorget currently doesn't exist on Valefor AH and trying to get a VW group together to run anything other than Qilin is basically impossible.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-05-10 17:36:59  
You could probably trio Seymour at this point.

And yes, you always want a true X-hit build. Conditionals can hurt you in the long run.
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By Tickmeoff 2013-05-10 17:52:32  
I can't imagine the drop rate would be very high without capping red lights, but I suppose it couldn't hurt to try.
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By Sylph.Scare 2013-05-11 08:54:31  
Odin.Registry said: »
Atheling's better than Oneiros if you don't have Conq AM3 up.

I'd probably use that 5 VIT ammo from Legion if you have it, if not I guess Bibiki would be okay.

Pretty much thinking these are best sets (without Yaoyotl Helm or however you spell it):

TP:
ItemSet 300157

Upheaval:
ItemSet 300184


Correct me if I'm wrong.

Unless im mistaken would you not need to ws in at least 5 stp to keep your x-hit?
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By Bismarck.Altar 2013-05-11 08:58:08  
Sylph.Scare said: »
Unless im mistaken would you not need to ws in at least 5 stp to keep your x-hit?

Feet/earring = 6
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By Sylph.Scare 2013-05-11 09:41:23  
Bismarck.Altar said: »
Sylph.Scare said: »
Unless im mistaken would you not need to ws in at least 5 stp to keep your x-hit?

Feet/earring = 6
Ya I had a moment. I forgot the feet had stp on them. My bad.
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By Asura.Cambion 2013-05-11 18:58:22  
Has anyone done enough Parses to get a solid baseline of the amount of Accuracy needed to be at 95%? Looking at some gear sets, but no clue what type of Acc numbers are needed for solid Delve set to use RCB.

Old School Colibri meat/accuracy gear vs sushi/haste gear coming back into play! I assume the 'Evasion Message' is going to throw a wrench in the equation but... just curious.
 
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By Asura.Cambion 2013-05-13 17:46:27  
Ahh, didn't realize the spreadsheets had been updated with Delve Fodder. Played around with them for a while today and while trying to focus on the 'future' I came up with this:

ItemSet 300916

Used Delve Fodder
Chaos + Fighters + Marchx2
Zerk + Gressor + RCB

Couldn't come up with anything to better this, but I may be overlooking some things. Aug Hugginn lose, but just barely.
Same set would apply to the nq Razorfury, and if you can get your hands on the +1, then Miki Feet & White Tathlum come into play to maintain the X-hit, but I didn't spent a lot of time on the Razorfury, so I doubt it's actually optimized.

Rancor Collar seems to no longer have a place in TP sets, although in Agressor Down sets, it did show up a few times, but not my enough to justify the extra Dmg taken.
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By Bahamut.Malothar 2013-05-14 06:29:44  
Believe you forgot White Tathlum in the set to maintain a 5 hit, as that's only 19.8 TP per hit currently.

Also, can't say I've messed with the spreadsheet with the fodder, but just from parsing runs, if I'm not using sushi and not getting at least 1 madrigal, its a whiff fest with nearly the same set (Empy +2 body to free up ranged slot and add more acc).

Edit: Nm, see that you have Yao helm listed, even though none of the bosses have yet to be killed. XD Would explain your spreadsheeting saying you're good on acc too.
 
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By Asura.Cambion 2013-05-14 13:28:56  
Bahamut.Malothar said: »
Believe you forgot White Tathlum in the set to maintain a 5 hit, as that's only 19.8 TP per hit currently.

Also, can't say I've messed with the spreadsheet with the fodder, but just from parsing runs, if I'm not using sushi and not getting at least 1 madrigal, its a whiff fest with nearly the same set (Empy +2 body to free up ranged slot and add more acc).

Edit: Nm, see that you have Yao helm listed, even though none of the bosses have yet to be killed. XD Would explain your spreadsheeting saying you're good on acc too.

Yeah, as I stated I'm looking towards 'the future'. As a War who was previously phased out, due to having no R/E/M I ended up not keeping current with some key pieces for War. Now that I'm re-gearing, I just wanted to focus on the 'long term' gear I'm going to want, rather than 'right now' to be outdone in the coming months. I'm in a Linkshell where I don't believe Delve bosses are out of reach. So rather than farm for Quau??? Helm, Portos Collar, Ares+1 & Phorcy gear, I can focus on some other things.

As for the DelveNM's I made this simple set 'for now' until we get an accurate number needed. Supernal Chapuli doesn't appear too evasive, but the others are pretty bad:

ItemSet 300992

Is there any obvious Acc pieces perhaps R/X I've forgotten?
+129 Acc alone
+29 Dex
+7 Gax Skill
Only 24% haste
Wasn't sure if sacrificing 7% on the legs for a full on Acc piece would be worth it, need to get a parser and try this set on some NM's, just tossed it together last night after some Ceizak NM runs.

Edit: Letalis Mantle...

Is Kparser still what people use, does it work still?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-14 13:35:25  
Isn't that a bit excessive? There's also Letalis and asperity you can use.
 
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-14 13:58:19  
Remember to unload battlemode to use kparser, if you have that on.
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By Asura.Cambion 2013-05-14 15:16:47  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Isn't that a bit excessive? There's also Letalis and asperity you can use.

Asperity has no Acc. I don't think it's excessive for the NM's, although Buffs will play a large part, but I believe the current estimates guaged the NM's have near 700-800 Eva, right? Maybe I misinterpreted, and I'm wasting time with this set? lol
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By Odin.Registry 2013-05-14 15:32:03  
With 2x Madrigal, Hunter's, and Sushi I've been capped on basically everything using this set:

ItemSet 300157

I'm pretty sure the whole accuracy scare was really only because of Ceizak Delves and when things raged.

The raptor's a bit more evasive than other things, so I wasn't capped (but around 90-91%) with buffs + hybrid set, but it's really not as bad as it seems.

edit: errr using this as hybrid set:

ItemSet 301015

edit2:

at absolute worst (you have no buffs what-so-ever) you're probably looking to use something like this with Restraint down:

ItemSet 301016

and with Restraint up:

ItemSet 301017

(be a few hours before I can spreadsheet those, though.)

edit3: Sorry ;; in class and not 100% paying attention to what I'm posting; I'm done now though!
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By Asura.Cambion 2013-05-14 15:54:29  
Oh, edits... I'll wait a sec.
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By Asura.Cambion 2013-05-14 16:25:53  
Odin.Registry said: »
With 2x Madrigal, Hunter's, and Sushi I've been capped on basically everything using this set:

ItemSet 300157

I'm pretty sure the whole accuracy scare was really only because of Ceizak Delves and when things raged.

You're using 2 Madrigals, a Hunters, Sushi and +64 Acc gear... and think the 'scare' is misplaced?

Hunters 10: +30
Blade Mad: +30
Sword Mad: +15

So 75 in Buffs.
+64 in gear (excluding dex/skill for simplicity)
= 139Acc to reach the ~cap

The Set I listed is 129Acc and allows you to use Fighters Rolls, and Marchx2. (131acc If the Letalis is made)

We could do the math, but I have a hard time believing any of the sacrifices I made from your set to mine, will account for:
Fighter's 10: 24% Double Attack
March 4: 6% Haste
March 5: 8% Haste

24% Double Attack
14% Haste
+ My set
vs your set.

Assuming both use Sushi.
(Going back to Mads and using Meat is a different path of math)

If I am mistaken in this assumption, calculation or comparison, by all means let me know. I'm not trying to argue, I'm genuinely looking to optimize my gear sets for these new events.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2013-05-14 16:34:21  
Sylph.Scare said: »
Bismarck.Altar said: »
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Unless im mistaken would you not need to ws in at least 5 stp to keep your x-hit?

Feet/earring = 6
Ya I had a moment. I forgot the feet had stp on them. My bad.

It's easy to forget the random stats on newish gear, especially when it's a ws piece.

On topic, I'm wondering if the benefits of going from a 6 hit to a 5 hit outweigh the restraint bonus you get from using af3+2 hands.
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