The Parthenon: A Warrior's Kyklos

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 Asura.Fiasko
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By Asura.Fiasko 2024-11-21 22:59:41  
Sylph.Timepassesbye said: »
as a general rule of thumb, if the gear effects the duration of an ability, you only need wear it upon activation, if it effects the potency, you need to keep it equipped to receive the bonus. On the restraint page, it does explicitly state that you only need to wear on activation, however as Fiasko said, Boii mufflers will be your go-to weapon skill piece anyway, so you'll likely build around it anyway.
In this case the wiki states that it doesn't need to be worn during the WS, but it still needs to be worn during the melee round for the full duration of the JA to receive the increase to its potency.

See the original gloves page, it says that they need to be equipped while the buff is active and the actual melee swings are happening.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Rvg._Mufflers_%2B1
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By Lili 2024-11-22 11:36:25  
This post by Ejin explains a bit better how Restraint works.
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/17977/restraint-and-ravager-mufflers-2

Wearing the gloves doubles the amount each hit "charges". The amount of charge "stored" does not change if you unequip the gloves, and the gloves do not need to be equipped for the charge to be used. The Restraint page on BG-Wiki has some links to posts that explain the mechanics.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2024-11-22 12:25:19  
Asura.Fiasko said: »
Sylph.Timepassesbye said: »
as a general rule of thumb, if the gear effects the duration of an ability, you only need wear it upon activation, if it effects the potency, you need to keep it equipped to receive the bonus. On the restraint page, it does explicitly state that you only need to wear on activation, however as Fiasko said, Boii mufflers will be your go-to weapon skill piece anyway, so you'll likely build around it anyway.
In this case the wiki states that it doesn't need to be worn during the WS, but it still needs to be worn during the melee round for the full duration of the JA to receive the increase to its potency.

See the original gloves page, it says that they need to be equipped while the buff is active and the actual melee swings are happening.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Rvg._Mufflers_%2B1

That's not entirely accurate actually. agoge mask and it's various iterations affect both the duration AND function of Warcry (Savagery), but it only needs to be on for activation. Items like shukuyu sune-ate and bhikku gaiters +3 both only need to be on during activation for the footwork bonuses.

I think for the most part, empy gear implemented a you must wear it after activation requirement to gear, but in general before that most things only required you must wear for activation.

Edit: there are exceptions
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By Felgarr 2024-11-22 18:13:01  
Is there any point in me keeping a Dolichenus around if I have Ikenga's axe R25-30? (I'd like to reduce some of my WAR sets and keep things like Dolichensus on a storage slip if it's fallen out of favor).

...I'm leaning towards, No, and just gonna store it on Slip 23?
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By Nariont 2024-11-22 18:46:39  
I mean doli decimation is a very good spam ws, especially on war that can have a very high chance to get a DA roll on both hits at minimum. Not sure how that compares to the other axe ws' though
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-11-22 19:01:45  
It's a different style of Axe/WS cycle. Ikenga's is likely going to be either Fencer build or high effective TP for large Mistral Axe/Calamity damage, so a TP overflow for it is fine. Dolichenus is going to be Decimation spam as soon as you get 1k TP since it doesn't scale with TP. You'd probably use a cool offhand with Dolichenus too, like the ultimate-dust-collector-in-my-MH of R15 Sangarius +1 or Zantetsuken xD. If you want to spam out pretty busted Decimations with Berserk as fast as possible, Dolichenus is a pretty fun option to use. I think WAR just suffers from attrition too much because they have so many weapon options (Shining One, Chango, Ukonvasara, Loxotic Mace +1, Naegling, Ikenga's, Helheim, Laphria); it's a challenge to find time for all of these options when some are simply inferior to others, so it's fine to carry one axe and say "good enough".

But it sounds like he already has his mind made up, so he doesn't need our validation or support to store the weapon away. I haven't used Dolichenus on WAR since I tried having a little fun in a seg farming group a long time ago; usually I use it on BST though. By the way, I had no idea pulse ambu weapons could be stored on slips =)
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2024-11-22 19:26:46  
Dolichenus is best non-Farsha axe for Cloudsplitter too. Only axe with matk on it.
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By Kaffy 2024-11-22 19:59:37  
This is on bst, with Killer Instinct and a triple proc. It's a fun axe, and very strong.



Oh I'll mention the solo SC Decimation > Smash Axe > Decimation > Decimation for extra fun!
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By Felgarr 2024-11-22 20:37:09  
Kaffy said: »
This is on bst, with Killer Instinct and a triple proc. It's a fun axe, and very strong.



Oh I'll mention the solo SC Decimation > Smash Axe > Decimation > Decimation for extra fun!

Haha that's wild!

Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
It's a different style of Axe/WS cycle. Ikenga's is likely going to be either Fencer build or high effective TP for large Mistral Axe/Calamity damage, so a TP overflow for it is fine. Dolichenus is going to be Decimation spam as soon as you get 1k TP since it doesn't scale with TP. You'd probably use a cool offhand with Dolichenus too, like the ultimate-dust-collector-in-my-MH of R15 Sangarius +1 or Zantetsuken xD. If you want to spam out pretty busted Decimations with Berserk as fast as possible, Dolichenus is a pretty fun option to use. I think WAR just suffers from attrition too much because they have so many weapon options (Shining One, Chango, Ukonvasara, Loxotic Mace +1, Naegling, Ikenga's, Helheim, Laphria); it's a challenge to find time for all of these options when some are simply inferior to others, so it's fine to carry one axe and say "good enough".

But it sounds like he already has his mind made up, so he doesn't need our validation or support to store the weapon away. I haven't used Dolichenus on WAR since I tried having a little fun in a seg farming group a long time ago; usually I use it on BST though. By the way, I had no idea pulse ambu weapons could be stored on slips =)

No, my mind was not made up. You guys have shown me that it is worth the extra toggle in my Axe /WS rotation. :)

Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
By the way, I had no idea pulse ambu weapons could be stored on slips =)
Wait until you upgrade everything to +3 and you start dropping Storage Slips ...it's a crazy feeling.
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By Nariont 2024-11-22 20:48:18  
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You'd probably use a cool offhand with Dolichenus too, like the ultimate-dust-collector-in-my-MH of R15 Sangarius +1 or Zantetsuken xD.


FWIW in the sim ikengas is also BiS OH for dolideci
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Warrior
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By Kaffy 2024-11-22 20:56:24  
I don't see why WAR couldn't consistently cap damage with good gear, my pic was with nothing but r0 Gleti and a Sacro Mantle lmao. Gere Ring was the only source of triple.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-11-22 21:13:33  
Nariont said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
You'd probably use a cool offhand with Dolichenus too, like the ultimate-dust-collector-in-my-MH of R15 Sangarius +1 or Zantetsuken xD.


FWIW in the sim ikengas is also BiS OH for dolideci
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Warrior
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By zeta 2024-11-23 18:54:22  
Nariont said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
You'd probably use a cool offhand with Dolichenus too, like the ultimate-dust-collector-in-my-MH of R15 Sangarius +1 or Zantetsuken xD.


FWIW in the sim ikengas is also BiS OH for dolideci
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Warrior

Is page pretty accurate or should I just use SIM tool to be sure? Hope i can be lazy today. Thanks.
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By Izanami 2024-11-23 19:10:46  
zeta said: »
Nariont said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
You'd probably use a cool offhand with Dolichenus too, like the ultimate-dust-collector-in-my-MH of R15 Sangarius +1 or Zantetsuken xD.


FWIW in the sim ikengas is also BiS OH for dolideci
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Warrior

Is page pretty accurate or should I just use SIM tool to be sure? Hope i can be lazy today. Thanks.

You can be lazy today unless you wanted more specialized sets. The WAR sets on that page should be accurate as of today actually.

I saw Nariont's post and it reminded me to finally update those sets while I had some free time this weekend. I'm currently working through updating all of the sets posted to BG Wiki last year with sets found using the most recent version of the code. The WAR, MNK, THF, DRK, NIN, SAM, and DRG sets should be up to date right now. I'll go back through them later to add more sets after I've finished updating the existing sets everywhere else.

The main page for that BG Wiki guide has also been updated to give details on the buffs/debuffs used to create those sets. I'll post about this in my thread sometime later when I finish.
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