The Parthenon: A Warrior's Kyklos

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By Kyler 2013-09-05 12:12:56  
You can always make way more actually at the keyboard >.> Shoot if you took 4 characters and just did colo Rieves you could make almost a mil in an hour just from skirm pieces. Or just thf with regen farming bloodthread. Lower level mats for the new weapons/armor that someone making the weapons isn't going to bother with. Or just feed the fisherman with earth clusters or glass fibers. There is still a substantial demand for colorless souls on quetz as well so T3s are another option. Not having money is the lamest excuse to not progressing in this game.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2013-09-05 15:23:52  
Valefor.Psykopat said: »
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Valefor.Psykopat said: »
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Carbuncle.Anesthesia said: »
While it's not the exact same, "fishing" 10 mil worth of haks is going to take you mabye 1-2 hours of total at the keyboard time. I'd certainly rather do that than go get 300k bayld.
1000 fish in 1-2 hours time? ... ... ...
Fish Bot >.> Like 99.99% of ppl you can find in Beaucedine Glacier. He said keyboard time, not actual play time.
so his argument was 'you can do it faster if you cheat' ... briliant...
Pretty much... And they usually tell you "gil is easy to get" ^^

but.. but.. but..!! It is so easy to get! You can buy it is mass quanities!! Its sooooooo easy!!!!! -_-
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By Bahamut.Malothar 2013-09-05 23:36:50  
Kyler said: »
Not having money is the lamest excuse to not progressing in this game.

This so very much.

I came back to the game (new account) in December of '12, was pretty daunting. They had just gotten rid of choco blinkers, everything seemed inflated out the ***, people walking around with capped gil, etc. ***was crazy. But I just paid attention to the market, to the direction of the game, to dev posts, and gotten well over 200 mil in that time frame, without nearly as much effort as I coulda put in. ***, if I had cared just a tad more, I'd of bought up even more Skirmish pieces prior to the update, that was so much easy money right there. Yorica Visage Vs for 100k the day before the update, 2 mil the next day. Visage Is for 1k pre update, 50k the next day.

Playing smart in an MMO isn't as common as most would think. Too much "gotta have it now" attitude combined with "I have to work for it?" Its why RMT were so prevalent for so long (and continue to be, I guess?).
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By Bismarck.Iso 2013-09-07 12:02:55  
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Back to kaggen i go.... fml
With VW being 99.9% dead except Cinder mobs I'd recommend either getting Laeradr items (Odin2 is a joke now) or just using Cizin mail and swapping other slots for -mdt.
can odin V2 be low manned now? havent kept up with it much
We did it about a 2 weeks ago with 6, so it can be done, was fairly easy
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By Kyler 2013-09-07 12:09:53  
6 is iffy, needles will mess you up. We've done 9 on multiple occasions and granted that was before ilevel update. I'm not saying its not possible but 10k damage on 6 people is rough. Even if everyone was at full pdt (which is really generous) it's still nearly 1000 dmg per person.
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2013-09-13 06:28:59  
Updated Razorfury section in the guide and a few sets. Still not motivated enough to do a total overhaul of everything that's been out dated, but that might change when they update RME.

Also, looks like Armada was finally dethroned for something(anything you fight with Ionis on). I knew this day would come, but it's still painful to see it go, especially to an ugly re-skin.



Restraint Up, No Ionis.
ItemSet 309277

•Assumes at least 4 STP(unluckiest roll possible) from Samurai roll or Carbonara to complete its 5hit.

TP set with Ionis.
ItemSet 285673

•Needs Carbonara or Samurai's Roll to maintain 5hit.
•If Blood Rage is active, Huginn/Ravager's +2 are better than Whirlpool.

How The Sets Compare Head to Head With Restraint Up:
Monster TP1 DPS TP2 DPS
Dynamis DC 1242.365 1216.683
Arch Dynamis Lord 1207.144 1188.307
Delve Notorious Monster 1202.021 1216.013
Delve Mega Boss(Tojil) 1157.812 1165.078


•Assumes Cizin pieces have +2% Double Attack augment.
•Assumes 20 STR from Boost-STR.
•Assumes capped accuracy and attack.
•Fighter's Roll(21% Double Attack) and Samurai's Roll(19 Store TP) used in the comparison. Note: Results may vary slightly when adding different rolls with different values.

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By Cerberus.Phyrefly 2013-09-20 14:53:49  
Should you stick with Mikinaak body until you get the +2 Double Attack on Cizin? Or is it still better than Mik. with the extra Vit?
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By Bismarck.Davorin 2013-09-22 03:47:09  
If you're talking about TP sets, I don't see Mik breastplate anywhere. Just glancing w/o the spreadsheets, but maybe Gorney haubert is the way to go if you won't put gil into an Armada nor the Cizin body?
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By Cerberus.Phyrefly 2013-09-22 11:19:23  
Sorry, I was talking about an Upheaval set, not TP.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-09-22 13:03:31  
Kyler said: »
6 is iffy, needles will mess you up. We've done 9 on multiple occasions and granted that was before ilevel update. I'm not saying its not possible but 10k damage on 6 people is rough. Even if everyone was at full pdt (which is really generous) it's still nearly 1000 dmg per person.

AoE Phalanx and Stoneskin cut into that significantly as well.
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By Cerberus.Reiden 2013-09-24 16:53:10  
Can i get by using Hfran Gambieras instead of Huginn for max tp set?
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By Cerberus.Midgitis 2013-09-24 17:00:26  
Max tier with Ionis doesn't use Huginn. Whirlpool will be better than Hfran in almost all situations.
 
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By Phoenix.Suji 2013-09-24 21:23:55  
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What do you guys think about fatality belt for 2 houring. Waste of time?
The other options are better and have been for at least a few years now.
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By eciurb 2013-09-27 09:27:46  
For restraint down, what is a good replacement for TP? I don't have the Ares+1 armor or those feet NQ/HQ. I have Buremte gloves from Yumax if a acceptable replacement for hands. I also don't have Shark win yet for the feet. Otherwise, my TP set looks like the HQ set does. Armada has STP+6 Dbl+2
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By Tickmeoff 2013-09-27 13:25:09  
I'm curious, does the DPS spreadsheet occasionally screw up and return incorrect results?

I finally scraped together enough plasm to pick up Yaoyotl Helm yesterday, but before I bought it I decided to hit the spreadsheet and figure out everything I would need to change around to work it into my TP set. With every set I tried, though, Quauhapilli Helm returned higher DPS, even if it resulted in losing a 5 hit build. I even tried duplicating all of the posted "MAX" sets from this thread and Q. Helm won in every single set. This is using Tojil as the target and standard buffs (SV double march/minuet, chaos/hunter/rogue/fighter rolls and berserk/aggressor).

I decided to take another look at the spreadsheet today, and am now finding that Yaoyotl wins in every set. I did not change a single thing between yesterday and today, so I don't understand why I am suddenly seeing different results. This makes me hesitant to trust these spreadsheets at all.
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By Yandaime 2013-10-03 18:40:13  
It hasn't happened yet as far as I can see, Tic. The only thing I can think that would be causing your unusual read is a miss-used buff somewhere maybe? *shrugs* I haven't encountered any problems like the one you just had.

On a side note, I *HAVE* been having trouble with the current WAR Spreadsheet. I was using an older speadsheet before and was just editing gear as updates game but I downloaded a new one to save myself the trouble and deleted the old (big mistake). I use OpenOffice and the current WAR spreadsheet is settup to allow Dual-Wield vs Greataxe settups but any and all attempts to change Weapons/Grips result in Failure:

Lots of "### #### ### #######..."

Across all bars pertaining to the Weapons/Subweapon slots. Is this a problem with OpenOffice? or Do I need to buy the full version of Microsoft Office? I suppose I should send Motenten a PM to find out for sure but I was hoping someone here might be able to shed some light on this issue as I can't imagine I'm the only one who has had this problem

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All other spreadsheets that I've used so far are working perfectly fine. Its just the WAR one, probably some kinda problem with the program recognizing Dualwield vs 2-hand. They used to be 2 separate Spreadsheets but they have since been merged so there could be some possible bugs?
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By Tylaar 2013-10-03 23:48:09  
Not sure if this is the prob, but on the Gear tab, you can now pick the weapon type (and Grip/sub) in a separate drop down list in column A and W for TP Set 1 and 2.. this lets you choose between GA or Axe, and then you can choose the weapon itself.
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By Phoenix.Suji 2013-10-04 00:46:42  
Tickmeoff said: »
I'm curious, does the DPS spreadsheet occasionally screw up and return incorrect results?

I finally scraped together enough plasm to pick up Yaoyotl Helm yesterday, but before I bought it I decided to hit the spreadsheet and figure out everything I would need to change around to work it into my TP set. With every set I tried, though, Quauhapilli Helm returned higher DPS, even if it resulted in losing a 5 hit build. I even tried duplicating all of the posted "MAX" sets from this thread and Q. Helm won in every single set. This is using Tojil as the target and standard buffs (SV double march/minuet, chaos/hunter/rogue/fighter rolls and berserk/aggressor).

I decided to take another look at the spreadsheet today, and am now finding that Yaoyotl wins in every set. I did not change a single thing between yesterday and today, so I don't understand why I am suddenly seeing different results. This makes me hesitant to trust these spreadsheets at all.
If it's the same spreadsheet file with the same inputs, you're going to get the same results. More than likely you changed something that you didn't think mattered, but it did. You can see just from looking at the two items that there are cases where Q. Helm can beat Yaoyotl (DA2 vs STP4 in hyper-capped situations) but the sets in the guide are designed with the most realistic/common cases in mind.

I've seen the phenomenon you encountered numerous times and it's always boiled down to me doing something dumb. Aftermath setup and COR buff values are two things that have caught me more than once.
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By Phoenix.Suji 2013-10-04 00:59:16  
Yandaime said: »
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Lots of "### #### ### #######..."
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It's not just you. I did some copy-pasting to work around it.

I think Mot's on vacation (at least I hope it's only vacation!). We may need Kickstart a truck full of pizzas to his house.
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By Sylph.Hyunkyl 2013-11-06 09:00:28  
Any new sets considering the new war GS, otomi helm and Ejekamal feet? Updated sets for Resolution war?
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By Lakshmi.Phaffi 2013-11-09 19:30:12  
Sylph.Hyunkyl said: »
Resolution
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By Sylph.Hyunkyl 2013-11-09 19:37:28  
Hell, why not? MS resolution ftw :p
 
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-11-09 20:36:41  
Reso has higher potential, it may beat 99 Ukon if buffs are high enough, but I doubt it will beat Conq.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-11-09 20:55:05  
Conq with UF is just beastly, KJ isn't a bad WS at all and it's easy to pump up.

Now after that, it ~really~ depends on buffs. At max buff Rag WAR will win due to Reso's crazy high damage potential and Rag's stupid melee DPS. Once your pDiff starts dropping the crits on UF start meaning more and it flattens out.

UF: 3.0 fTP (2 hit) 60% STR, can crit

vs

Reso: 4.75 fTP (5 hits) 100% STR, -15% attack penalty.

The attack difference between the weapons means even less now and Rag was always more accurate then Ukon for when that counts.

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Ragnarok99 war/Sam mighty strikes self light chain Scourge Resolution

You wouldn't do that. You'd just do three reso's and call it a day.
 
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-11-09 21:16:35  
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Maybe you wouldn't do that, hell yes I would scourge -> reso then just spam reso.

You were talking about MS which you should never use scourge in. If your in some low man situation where your the "tank" then Sekka Scourge -> Res works fine.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-11-09 22:52:19  
Even with 99 Ragnarok, Scourge is pretty pathetic compared to Resolution. Unless the mob is weak to light skillchains, you're probably better off just using Resolution, especially under mighty strikes. KJ fairs a lot better with MS especially with 99 Conq. Still, even though Reso has higher potential, if you have AM3 up with Conq, I'd imagine it beats Rag for MS if only by a little. Lower X-hit and OA2-3 is really powerful even if Upheaval and it's white damage are lower.
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By charlo999 2013-11-10 00:36:56  
But then if you were using mighty strikes you'd be using the new sp too that would make the advantage da/ta from conq a wash I'd waver.
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