The Parthenon: A Warrior's Kyklos

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By Tickmeoff 2013-01-21 00:57:26  
What's the best greataxe to use until getting Ukon?
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By Fenrir.Thandar 2013-01-21 01:17:07  
Widowmaker or Laceratrice. Dies Irae in Abyssea I think.

Edit: Etourdissante and Resolution will probably be the best though.
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By Tickmeoff 2013-01-21 01:28:52  
Is there a clear winner between Widowmaker and Laceratrice? I've been using Laceratrice, but I feel like I see more people using Widowmaker.

Also, Etourdissante beats Jingang Greatsword?
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By Carbuncle.Anesthesia 2013-01-21 09:31:53  
Tickmeoff said: »
Is there a clear winner between Widowmaker and Laceratrice? I've been using Laceratrice, but I feel like I see more people using Widowmaker.

Also, Etourdissante beats Jingang Greatsword?

Laceratrice beats Widowmaker in most situations. In abyssea, which -- let's be honest -- is really the only place you should be until you have an Ukon, Dies Irae trounces them both. It also wins for 75 content etc.
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By Fenrir.Thandar 2013-01-21 09:58:51  
Tickmeoff said: »
Is there a clear winner between Widowmaker and Laceratrice? I've been using Laceratrice, but I feel like I see more people using Widowmaker.

Also, Etourdissante beats Jingang Greatsword?

I think so, I could be wrong. 4 more damage, less delay.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-01-21 10:54:08  
Fenrir.Thandar said: »
Tickmeoff said: »
Is there a clear winner between Widowmaker and Laceratrice? I've been using Laceratrice, but I feel like I see more people using Widowmaker.

Also, Etourdissante beats Jingang Greatsword?

I think so, I could be wrong. 4 more damage, less delay.

It would be close, with etoutdissante obviously winning durring mighty strikes. But war really shouldn't be using a gs unless is a rag and high buffs, upheaval with dies irae being preferable in lower buff situations when accuracy isn't a issue.
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By Odin.Hirokei 2013-01-21 11:08:42  
You'd have to give up too much in your TP phase(for STP) to justify the 4 extra dmg I'd think.
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By Fenrir.Thandar 2013-01-21 11:23:47  
I don't think so. I use Etou, and I'm fairly sure I keep a 6hit with it as well. But I only use it for zerging, and only till I finish Rag.
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By Cerberus.Mindi 2013-01-22 05:28:05  
Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
Added an Upheaval MAX for Bravura + Ukonvasara:


Dilaram's if no Huginn feet.

i think you forgot to add this to the 1st page (or i just couldnt find it lol) there is Upheaval MID, Upheaval Mighty Strikes MAX, Conq WS MAX (Upheaval aswell) but couldn't find this


1) what would be the best order for Ares+1 gear to go for when only owing a ukon99? Legs 1st i am pretty sure, thought about body 2nd as nice idle and Uph body or head as 2nd, but my ebody dont has the required augment and who knows when i ever get that.. or hands as 2nd (see 2nd question)?

2) qustion about the notice on Ukon WS max:

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Hands: Heca +1 are generally the best for most highly buffed situations, but you're going to want to use Phorcys Mitts or Avant Gauntlets +1 if you need the attack/accuracy. Ares' Gauntlets +1 have potential to be best in slot if the set bonus with legs is substantial.

what about this now? When we know(? was it tested?) legs+hands in WS Setup is 3% DA, would it be enough to be best in slot?
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-01-22 08:27:04  
For Ukon I'd go legs > head > hands > body, hands are most likely best in slot when restraint down (allow to switch to goading belt and free ring slot for ambuscade/ammo slot for ravager's, maybe there are better swith, didn't look THAT much into it)


edit: 5stp 2da + kokou earring(or attila) / 6stp 1da is enough on ebody to be better than valk BP.
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By Cerberus.Virgil 2013-01-22 12:07:23  
At what point of Crit damage+ does an Osode start pulling ahead of a TA+3 Valk. Breastplate for MS Upheaval?
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By Phoenix.Suji 2013-01-22 16:36:03  
I wonder if Taint will answer you twice.
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By Cerberus.Virgil 2013-01-22 16:40:13  
Calm down, figured the question got lost in a bunch of other stuff.
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By Carbuncle.Tyleron 2013-01-22 16:53:57  
Cerberus.Virgil said: »
At what point of Crit damage+ does an Osode start pulling ahead of a TA+3 Valk. Breastplate for MS Upheaval?

Some one has mathed this but I recal it being 2% if attack capped.

Honestly can't see it really being worth carrying the osode. I am close to 70/80 already inv.
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By Carbuncle.Tyleron 2013-01-22 16:57:32  
I stand corrected taint already replied to you on bg. 3% osode wins with 2% slightly behind
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By Cerberus.Phyrefly 2013-01-22 16:58:26  
I may not be caught up on all the posts, so sorry if this has been answered already. Does Mekira Toshugai +1 not fit in anywhere as an Upheaval piece?
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By Carbuncle.Tyleron 2013-01-22 17:00:40  
Cerberus.Phyrefly said: »
I may not be caught up on all the posts, so sorry if this has been answered already. Does Mekira Toshugai +1 not fit in anywhere as an Upheaval piece?

Nope, twilight is way better as is ares. (Not to mention valk)

Solid pdt piece though
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By Cerberus.Phyrefly 2013-01-22 17:07:21  
Carbuncle.Tyleron said: »
Cerberus.Phyrefly said: »
I may not be caught up on all the posts, so sorry if this has been answered already. Does Mekira Toshugai +1 not fit in anywhere as an Upheaval piece?
Nope, twilight is way better as is ares. (Not to mention valk) Solid pdt piece though

Is Twilight better because of the accuracy? Sorry if it's a dumb question. I've never quite understood why some gear is chosen over another. I need to get off my butt and get Twilight. Put it off far too long.
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By Phorcys 2013-01-22 22:32:24  
Carbuncle.Tyleron said: »
I stand corrected taint already replied to you on bg. 3% osode wins with 2% slightly behind

^This. Osode with Critical Hit Damage +3% wins during Mighty Strikes when attack's capped. Double Attack +1~2% is just an additional bonus to that.

Never use Mekira. Use Twilight until you get Valkyrie's.

Cerberus.Phyrefly said: »
Is Twilight better because of the accuracy?

Twilight's STR+15, DEX+15, VIT+15, and Accuracy+25 is far better than Mekira's VIT+16.
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By Cerberus.Phyrefly 2013-01-22 23:17:25  
Ok, next question. Until I get Twilight (yes I know, it's lame I don't have it and it's easy to get, and I will get to it and hopefully get it to drop), should I use my Osode with dbl att +1, crit hit dmg +2% over Mekira for Upheaval?
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By Phorcys 2013-01-23 01:53:18  
Cerberus.Phyrefly said: »
Ok, next question. Until I get Twilight (yes I know, it's lame I don't have it and it's easy to get, and I will get to it and hopefully get it to drop), should I use my Osode with dbl att +1, crit hit dmg +2% over Mekira for Upheaval?

Mekira, using Osode during Mighty Strikes when attack's capped.
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By Cerberus.Phyrefly 2013-01-23 09:57:21  
Ok thanks! :)
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By Hades.Tripster 2013-01-24 14:14:17  
Since the OP stated you can get 13/13 red procs in Abyssea, I would like to ask: How do you get it?

I'm at 12/13 atm and I couldn't get Tachi: Koki...

WAR/NIN - 139 base Great Katana skill
+7 Justice Torque
+6 Fazheluo Helm +1
+5 Bushinomimi
+5 Moepapa Annulet
That's 162 skill.

+8 skill from 8/8 merits. You don't get 16 great katana skill, I learned it the hard way, instead you just get half.

That's 170 total possible Great Katana Skill for WAR/NIN using everything possible. Still need that extra +5 skill from something to get. So it's not possible at all for WAR to get 13/13 red procs in Abyssea?
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By Carbuncle.Kunisama 2013-01-24 14:16:15  
Hades.Tripster said: »
Since the OP stated you can get 13/13 red procs in Abyssea, I would like to ask: How do you get it?

I'm at 12/13 atm and I couldn't get Tachi: Koki...

WAR/NIN - 139 base Great Katana skill
+7 Justice Torque
+6 Fazheluo Helm +1
+5 Bushinomimi
+5 Moepapa Annulet
That's 162 skill.

+8 skill from 8/8 merits. You don't get 16 great katana skill, I learned it the hard way, instead you just get half.

That's 170 total possible Great Katana Skill for WAR/NIN using everything possible. Still need that extra +5 skill from something to get. So it's not possible at all for WAR to get 13/13 red procs in Abyssea?
You do get 16 from merits. I'm on MNK/THF right now with 16 GA skill
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By Ramuh.Austar 2013-01-24 14:17:48  
Hades.Tripster said: »
+8 skill from 8/8 merits. You don't get 16 great katana skill, I learned it the hard way, instead you just get half.
No, you get 16 from 8/8 merits.
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By Hades.Tripster 2013-01-24 14:27:30  
I see, then I was wrong, I even put the merits and on my count it counted only as 8. But I suck at math, so.

Guess I answered my own question.

I wouldn't ditch Suppanomimi for a Bushinomimi just to get 13/13 procs though, don't think it's worth it, but good to know you actually can!
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By Zillion 2013-01-29 17:45:23  
what are the best legs to use during normal and ms upheaval? seeing relic +2 and phorcys for non ms and augmented byakko's during
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By Zillion 2013-01-29 17:55:29  
also where would the new caudata belt fit in to either upheaval or ukko's fury set if at all?
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By Kyler 2013-01-29 19:21:48  
Upheaval

Phorcys Legs (especially with set bonus from hands) should almost always (if not always) beat af2+2.

Byakko's Haidate with crit dmg+4 should always win during MS, especially if you get lucky with random VIT augment on top of it.
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