IiPunch - Monk Guide

hum so make 99 Vere or make 99 coin weapon for a 101 dmg VS giving up aftermath for 150mil or so ??

My Super Saiyan status shall still be mine. 99 VERE. DO IT IF YOU DON'T HAVE. ^

If I can't get hexed/nni/salv2 gear, is this the best I can do on MNK? If so is it good enough to fight delve nms? Delve bosses?

If I somehow got a Whirlpool Mask, what body would I wear?

I know it's not optimal. Just want to know my options.

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Here's my current (minor) goal set for Delve:

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With rank 2 acc on Rigor, and rank 2 att on both Manibohzo pieces, that's capped accuracy without sushi/pizza/Focus/Aggressor/outside buffs vs fodder Delve mobs. I figure Focus/Aggressor (and maybe Hunter's/Madrigal) should be enough to stay capped on the non-super-evasive NM/boss mobs, and allow eating pure attack food (eg: RCBs).

Not sure if glitch in system, but between my own simulation and Montenten's spreadsheet, I have this set beating any usu +1 set that I can put together and the one in the OP:


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Provided rank 10 augs on manibohzo pieces and only rank 3 rigors . Didn't expect that result, was just comparing to see what kind of DPS boost I would get once I finished my +1 head/feet.

Getting these in Montenten's sheet, pizza+1 food on the delve efts:

Focus + Impetus + Berserk + Haste spell only
Usu+1 - 318.566
Chocolate/Mani - 321.018


Focus + Impetus + Berserk + Haste + 2march + 2min
Usu+1 - 643.098
Chocolate/Mani - 647.072


Focus + Impetus + Berserk + Haste + 2march + 2min + chaos + fighter
Usu+1 - 819.906
Chocolate/Mani - 847.921


All of those buffs except Focus
Usu+1 - 775.397
Chocolate/Mani - 816.822




thoughts?

Raptor delve NM. Me and mdk have been spamming it for airlixir/+1 farm. We determined that

rigor/x/x/mantis
usu+1 / ziel / steelflash/bladeborn
thaumas / tenryu +1 / epona / mars
letalis / anguinius / manibozho / usu +1

(rigor level rank 10 for 12 acc augment , manibhozho rank 15 for 10 acc augment)

paired with : 2x madrigals, RCB as food and alternating focus/agressor

is leading to ~90% hitrate.

that's about 150 acc on the gear, 22 dex so ~160 acc bonus.
no accuracy from food
2x madrigal with relic is 86 acc make it 90 with the AF3+2 set bonus
add 10 acc to cap at 95% hitrate
make focus / agressor be 25 acc bonus on average

you need ~ 285 acc boost to cap. Reversing the acc-eva from your spreadsheets you need the eft NM to be level 99 with 730 evasion.

Asuran has a place again!

***is killing SSpiral in Bhaf II when dex is locked. Not even a competition


Edit: Dex unlocked, still getting more out of Asuran

Since Asuran isn't a stat heavy ws, Thurandaut vs str 4 ws dmg 2% anwig?

Would Anwig augment apply to all hits?

ah prolly not; lol haven't played in a while, forgot about that

Heh, I was actually writing up an analysis of that yesterday, but it was getting too cumbersome. The low WSC mods mean that higher weapon damage influences it to a much larger degree than for Shijin.

For the best gear sets I could come up with, 5/5 Shijin was still a tiny bit ahead on weaponskill damage, but Asuran closed in/surpassed on overall DPS because of the higher TP return per weaponskill (drops about half a melee round per weaponskill cycle).

And no, Thurandaut should still easily beat the MKE WS Dmg headpiece. 1 base damage (~0.75%) on all 8 hits should beat 2% on just 1 hit. Even if 9 str manages to not increase WSC, the extra 4 att will also produce a similar result.

Also, in acc-capped situations Nemetona beats both, but in non-acc-capped situations Thurandaut beats Nemetona.

So should Asuran just be in general then as compared to Salvage, when SC isn't viable?

edited

What about sneak attack Howling fist ?

Verifying:

440 skill == 416 acc

Madrigal: 2x +5 Madrigal should be +71 acc, from Wiki data. Merits as well? Still 5 short of 86.

Focus/Aggressor: Will just call it +25 constant

Gear:
Rigor = 15+12 = 27
Mantis = 10
Usu+1 head = 10
Ziel = 12
Steelflash = 8
Thaumas = 12
Tenryu+1 hands = 10
Mars = 8
Letalis = 15
Anguinus = 15
Manibozho legs = 10
Usu+1 feet = 15

Total: 152

Dex:
Rigor = 5
Manibozho = 12
2x madrigal = 10

Total: 27

Mithra(?) mnk/war: 110 dex (spreadsheet might be off by 1)

Total acc: 416 + 137/2 + 152 + 25 + 71 = 732

If 732 acc is hitting ~90% hit rate, that puts mob evasion at about 700. If the brd has Madrigal merits, that puts mob evasion at 710. If I'm missing something else on Madrigal, evasion could be about 715.


Also, in case it wasn't clear (it probably isn't; I'll change it), the Delve Eft target isn't the NM, it's the general fodder mobs (testing was done on the efts). I'll change it to something generic like "Delve Fodder".

SC?

Anyway, yes, with Rigor/Oatixur, Asuran has returned as a major weaponskill for mnk, being roughly right on par with Shijin Spiral. In Salvage with restrictions on, it's definitely the best option, as it has very little dependance on either stats or gear (aside from the weapon itself).



Howling Fist does respectably well, though still below the others (eg: ~1750 vs 2000), with its main advantage being a nice attack boost (+50%). A Sneak Attack'd Howling Fist would be pretty decent damage, though one must wonder why you're using /thf. If you are, though, you'd certainly get the most from using SA with HF.

Skillchain

At this point I'd say either is equally viable in most any circumstances (outside Abyssea and locked Salvage), and you can just choose whichever you feel like, or whichever allows a skillchain.

hmm, now to come up with another attack based, and another acc/attack set for Asuran

As a general rule of thumb would it be better to cap haste, or have 22~24% haste but with more DA/TA? Or is this question too general? (No BB)

General rule of thumb is always cap haste, but for specific situations the spreadsheet will tell you the correct answer.

I'm assuming Shijin would have a clear lead over asuran with fighter's roll? Since asuran is already capped at 8 hits.

This is what I have lined up. I do want to get an Epona's ring to replace Mars's
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Or I was thinking swapping out the belt for Twilight and hands for Mustela Gloves.

Correct. Get maybe an extra 5% damage on Shijin from Fighter's.

So, why is Asuran Fist back in the running for useful WSs? Did they change something with it that I missed? Last I heard, they just gave it to PUP. Is it worth it to merit Shijin if I can just use Asuran? I used to have it merited, then got Victory Smite and demerited it... But I won't be using Vere once I get the Delve H2H.

Opinions?

No, the new delve weapons have a very high DMG which greatly enhances Asuran while it boost Shijin to a lesser extent, adding to that the delve mobs have insane evasion and Asuran Fists tp modifier is acc bonus +added to that their is times that dex trait is locked in certain areas making Shijin pretty much useless. Asuran is enhanced by STR VIT and atk.

Asuran Fist set GOGOGO!!!

Low WS mods

WS mods basically just add more DMG to your weapon. Asuran has low WS mods, hence lower DMG (offset by it's high FTP due to 8 hits)

The higher your DMG the less of an increase you get from adding more DMG.

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I just used Howling Fist for last 5 min of a Ceizak farm run and did 3k+ with it quite a few times.

Edit: Was weaponskilling in my TP gear though, so maybe multiattack procs form Thaumas Coat occurred.

What kind of retardation is that ? Unless you try to solo delve NMs with no madriagal and therefore only acc gear I don't see how it could be better. Asuran is ***and shijin is a must.

Also having difficulty reproducing these results