DirectX said: »
I think it is the best all round DD now. How much better does owning Vere make a MNK than only owning Godhands? I want a % answer!
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This rustles my jimmies DirectX said: » I think it is the best all round DD now. How much better does owning Vere make a MNK than only owning Godhands? I want a % answer! It's not nearly as much of a difference as many people think, as I will initially say I thought so as well. I parsed vs other Vere and Godhands R15 MNKs, and their damage was surprisingly similar. It's a different style of MNK TPing (holding TP vs spamming), but the end results comes out close to the same. I wouldn't even put Verethragna more than 5% higher than Godhands because it would have to factor in SC damage, and that's technically not part of a parse battle. Its also going to be buff dependent. Having Shiva or WAR TP bonus is going to flat out bring Godhands up much more than Verethragna, so you have to keep that in mind. It's not as easy as "this one is clearly ahead all the time" because it is not.
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: » DirectX said: » I think it is the best all round DD now. How much better does owning Vere make a MNK than only owning Godhands? I want a % answer! It's not nearly as much of a difference as many people think, as I will initially say I thought so as well. I parsed vs other Vere and Godhands R15 MNKs, and their damage was surprisingly similar. It's a different style of MNK TPing (holding TP vs spamming), but the end results comes out close to the same. I wouldn't even put Verethragna more than 5% higher than Godhands because it would have to factor in SC damage, and that's technically not part of a parse battle. Its also going to be buff dependent. Having Shiva or WAR TP bonus is going to flat out bring Godhands up much more than Verethragna, so you have to keep that in mind. It's not as easy as "this one is clearly ahead all the time" because it is not. It's also heavily playstyle dependent. I'm often really bad at using TP at low TP (I come from THF so always going for 1750~) so Vere being superior white damage nets it more damage for me. If you're on top of using TP in an ideal manner, the Godhands gap will likely be small. tbh I love sagitta, I feel like it allows me to alter my hybrid sets to maintain almost full dps without missing a beat and its practically impossible to kill a Monk with 3/5 Malig and 2 Kenda+1
Fayona said: » tbh I love sagitta, I feel like it allows me to alter my hybrid sets to maintain almost full dps without missing a beat and its practically impossible to kill a Monk with 3/5 Malig and 2 Kenda+1 Sagitta is ok, but that -10%DT changes almost nothing. I use 2/5 Malignance and 3/5 Kendatsuba as my regular TP set with both Veret and Godhands and I almost never need to change to hybrid set anymore. what mix do you use of ken/mag
Asura.Azagarth said: » what mix do you use of ken/mag I use Mali Legs/Hands. Fwiw, I think it was either Aerix or Sechs who mentioned that the difference between kendatsuba +1 legs/feet meva is only 11 each difference to malignance legs/feet. You get a larger difference swapping out the hands or head (body probably non negotiable as a swap due to its huge triple attack and critical rate).
For hybrid I use Malignance chapeau Kendatsuba samue +1 Malignance gloves Kendatsuba hakama +1 Malignance boots
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Fwiw, I think it was either Aerix or Sechs who mentioned that the difference between kendatsuba +1 legs/feet meva is only 11 each difference to malignance legs/feet. You get a larger difference swapping out the hands or head (body probably non negotiable as a swap due to its huge triple attack and critical rate). For hybrid I use Malignance chapeau Kendatsuba samue +1 Malignance gloves Kendatsuba hakama +1 Malignance boots This is the same set I use, the reason I’ve been enjoying Sagitta so much lately is you add a D ring and HQ belt and your basically at capped DT with a very strong DPS output. Pretty much the only slot that isn’t full DPS is D ring.
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What's the state of this guide? Is it still fairly accurate? I don't know MNK, but the weapons don't even have Godhands listed and the sets say they were last updated over 4 years ago.
The BG Wiki community sets seem more up to date but they only have sets. Lakshmi.Buukki said: » For hybrid I use Malignance chapeau Kendatsuba samue +1 Malignance gloves Kendatsuba hakama +1 Malignance boots The reason I only use 2 Malignance pieces is because I want capped Subtle Blow and also more balanced TripleAttack/StoreTP. This is also my regular TP set, not hybrid TP set. Master monk overcaps subtle blow with just body and legs. But yeah monk doesn't really need a hybrid for most things. Maybe wave 3 volte
Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Master monk overcaps subtle blow with just body and legs. But yeah monk doesn't really need a hybrid for most things. Maybe wave 3 volte I dont count body, as 3/5 min its taken by Bhikku.
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Maybe I'm missing something but it doesn't seem like MNK is that bad to get geared up?
And people say it's pretty equal to DRK/WAR/SAM/DRG etc now? I've always liked MNK since back in the day when BB MNKs were destroying things with Asuran Fists. I'm wondering if I should try it out, maybe get some Godhands. The guides just don't give me much to go on. How are they at soloing? Equal or better to WAR or SAM? Asura.Zulaern said: » Maybe I'm missing something but it doesn't seem like MNK is that bad to get geared up? And people say it's pretty equal to DRK/WAR/SAM/DRG etc now? I've always liked MNK since back in the day when BB MNKs were destroying things with Asuran Fists. I'm wondering if I should try it out, maybe get some Godhands. The guides just don't give me much to go on. How are they at soloing? Equal or better to WAR or SAM? I found mnk to be a lot easier to gear than my drk. Much faster and much cheaper. Still missing a few +3 pieces and kend+1 hands, but other than that I followed the guide extremely close and was geared very quickly. As for stacking up? I still feel my drk does more dps, but the ability to dps without -def of LR (or counterstance since it isn't required for dmg) and be able to hybrid in the likes of malignance was a great trade off. I still have love for my drk, but right now mnk is just easy button.
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Monk so easy to get into, so easy to gear and play and not die. It's easymode for sure. Makes certain content trivial where you may actually have to pay attention on other jobs. I wouldn't say it's stronger than dark, just because that's tailor made for damage. But as far as dps and survivability balance, it's probably the top job in it's class of DD.
Been looking at this guide https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Community_Monk_Guide
Does anyone have Asuran fist and Ascetic's Fury sets i can look at? Probably something like this if attack is uncapped. Probably fotia belt, something else for niqmaddu, and those earring are questionable. Took it from someone else but relic is the main focus in the primary armor
ItemSet 368980 Ascetics might just be smite set. Ryuo +1 hands still worth getting for some WS sets or is there something better out there now?
Smite, ascetics fury. Or you can do Herculean
Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Smite, ascetics fury. Or you can do Herculean Alright, Thanks man. Shiva.Thorny said: » i was missing something, boost triples your delay but lasts 4x your delay, derp looks like 4 ticks and 1.8s with nothing on kaja, 5 ticks and 1.3s with 10% slow and no haste gear with only 5%, you should still get it unless there's some weird rounding in there somewhere AND you start it milliseconds after a tick? 366 * .617 = 225.822 225 * 4 = 900 / 60 = 15 on the nose 5 ticks and .5s with no haste gear on blurred The following formula: (Base Delay + Weapon Delay) * 4 / 60 is giving me results that differ from what I experience in the buff duration interface. For instance I get 23-24 seconds with no slow gear (naked with Godhands) and I get ~27 seconds with 17% slow gear. With capped magic Haste (double march and Haste2 from trust) and 17% Slow in gear I get like ~18 seconds duration. What is the correct formula for this, to have a Boost duration value in seconds? Is there a good place I could check out a "gear progression" for a newly 99 MNK? I see that there are mostly endgame gear guides (which will be super useful eventually!) but right now, I'm not even sure what to aim for to start with. The Ambuscade armor?
Page 309 might give you some good places too start.
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Not that it matters much but what are people using for Asuran Fists?
I’m currently using this: ItemSet 371754 It’s an 8-Hit, Low STR/VIT so cant do too much with it except use Malignance to boost your PDL which should increase Damage by 30% with all Malignance + Nodowa and capped pDIF. And the STP would aid in TP Return to string into the next WS for chaining. Valefor.Yandaime said: » And the STP would aid in TP Return to string into the next WS for chaining. This part is good Valefor.Yandaime said: » use Malignance to boost your PDL which should increase Damage by 30% with all Malignance + Nodowa and capped pDIF. This part on the other hand is very questionable, because good luck reaching 4.94 pDIF with so little attack in your gear |
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