Artemicion said: »
MS is still too greedy and makes their devices and formats proprietary.
Only Microsoft
Microsoft's Next-Gen Sets Itself Back
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Microsoft's Next-Gen Sets Itself Back
MS is still too greedy and makes their devices and formats proprietary. Only Microsoft MS was an example, not an exception to the rule.
But it's unfortunate how inconsistent both MS and Sony are with that. PS3 enabled virtually any SATA connected laptop hard drive, yet they lock down the Vita with their own storage while the preceding PSP used the pro-duo which was licensed under many manufacturers. At least Nintendo was nice enough to give us an SD card slot on the Wii and 3DS and the option for local storage on the Wii U. I'm pretty sure everyone knows by now sony is the biggest hardware proprietary *** out there. from pc's to tv's to walkman's to ps3's. they want everything in their own universe if they can help it lol.
Shiva.Gib said: » Fairy.Ghaleon said: » Shiva.Gib said: » Fairy.Ghaleon said: » Some rumors were circulating that sony will have backwards compatibility in the form of streaming games from their recently purchased gakai network. (for what it's worth it works pretty decently) but some think they will offer a netflix style monthly fee / game streaming service with different tiers/pricing plans. /DUNDUNDUNNNNNNN only for that Opt In service. sure. I would assume anyone who buys digital media on the PSN would buy another ps3 if theirs died on them and redownload all the ***they bought. so idk what your point is. Fairy.Ghaleon said: » Artemicion said: » Fairy.Ghaleon said: » Some rumors were circulating that sony will have backwards compatibility in the form of streaming games from their recently purchased gakai network. (for what it's worth it works pretty decently) but some think they will offer a netflix style monthly fee / game streaming service with different tiers/pricing plans. That'd still *** over anyone that had the preference of physical copies over online purchases. God forbid their PS3 bites the dust after support and print for it drop. unfortunately the game disc is going the way of the buffalo like it or not. the next next gen will not have physical media at all if they can help it. I'm pretty sad about it as well, but we all knew it would happen eventually. one point about physical media for ps2/ps3 games on the ps4. since it's not backwards compatible in the first place, a streaming service techinically isn't hurting people who prefer physical media since it would not take it anyways. inb4 "why not backwards compatibility from the start", in which i would 90% agree with you. but then there's the point about paying 600$ for a console etc. Honestly, there's no reason for launch day backwards compatibility and, from a marketing stand point, I can understand why they don't do it. You don't buy a new console for the last generation's games. No one bought a PS3 because they desperately wanted to play Final Fantasy 12 with a wireless controller. Backwards compatibility is an awesome thing, but on day one you should be buying current new titles for the console you're about to overpay for. People lording over BC is a discredit to the industry as the response should be, instead, "Yeah, well, those launch titles better be solid." The gaming community spend a lot of time whining about the least productive things. Backwards compatibility is such a non-issue; if you want to play a PS3 game, down the 200 (or eventually 100~150 dollar) cost and you can play all of them. If you want a brand new console within the first few months of it coming out, you should be focusing on the new titles. You had a chance to get old ones and you decided not to, no reason to look back.
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Shiva.Gib said: » Fairy.Ghaleon said: » Some rumors were circulating that sony will have backwards compatibility in the form of streaming games from their recently purchased gakai network. (for what it's worth it works pretty decently) but some think they will offer a netflix style monthly fee / game streaming service with different tiers/pricing plans. /DUNDUNDUNNNNNNN just pointing that out just incase anyone for a second thought Sony wouldn't also be partaking in always on XD Wii-U keeps looking better eh? dat edit. so you are comparing a streaming online opt in service to a locked down online only device for what reason? then saying the wii-u (which also has a LOT of online services) is the answer? man now i think you are just bored/trolling lol. Shiva.Gib said: » Jetackuu said: » lol, you lose all credibility with this, I don't even need to go into the bad joke that 8 is. lol they've had pirated working copies of Diablo 3 within a week of it's release, you're delusional or misinformed. knowing your track record I highly HIGHLY doubt you have used Windows 8 past a store kiosk, and I used Vista for 2 years never had a problem with it, but again, I didn't cheap out on hardware. I also said it wasn't well optimized, I wasn't defending it. It's just people treat it like it was the anti-christ of computer software, it wasn't. and I know they had a "pirated" version of Diablo 3, and I know it also didn't have AI scripts and didn't drop gear, cause those were server side on blizzard. So no, I'm informed, don't worry oh that's just funny, whatever helps you sleep at night. you're not very well informed. Leviathan.Phenomena said: » Shiva.Gib said: » Fairy.Ghaleon said: » Shiva.Gib said: » Fairy.Ghaleon said: » Some rumors were circulating that sony will have backwards compatibility in the form of streaming games from their recently purchased gakai network. (for what it's worth it works pretty decently) but some think they will offer a netflix style monthly fee / game streaming service with different tiers/pricing plans. /DUNDUNDUNNNNNNN only for that Opt In service. sure. I would assume anyone who buys digital media on the PSN would buy another ps3 if theirs died on them and redownload all the ***they bought. so idk what your point is. it's called 'planting the seed of paranoia" ^^ Fairy.Ghaleon said: » @ first i was like.. (why would anybody think breaking a ToS would be breaking the law?? O.o) but then i remembered the cellphone contract thread -.-; people. lol. VioDjango said: » Fairy.Ghaleon said: » Artemicion said: » Fairy.Ghaleon said: » Some rumors were circulating that sony will have backwards compatibility in the form of streaming games from their recently purchased gakai network. (for what it's worth it works pretty decently) but some think they will offer a netflix style monthly fee / game streaming service with different tiers/pricing plans. That'd still *** over anyone that had the preference of physical copies over online purchases. God forbid their PS3 bites the dust after support and print for it drop. unfortunately the game disc is going the way of the buffalo like it or not. the next next gen will not have physical media at all if they can help it. I'm pretty sad about it as well, but we all knew it would happen eventually. one point about physical media for ps2/ps3 games on the ps4. since it's not backwards compatible in the first place, a streaming service techinically isn't hurting people who prefer physical media since it would not take it anyways. inb4 "why not backwards compatibility from the start", in which i would 90% agree with you. but then there's the point about paying 600$ for a console etc. Honestly, there's no reason for launch day backwards compatibility and, from a marketing stand point, I can understand why they don't do it. You don't buy a new console for the last generation's games. No one bought a PS3 because they desperately wanted to play Final Fantasy 12 with a wireless controller. Backwards compatibility is an awesome thing, but on day one you should be buying current new titles for the console you're about to overpay for. People lording over BC is a discredit to the industry as the response should be, instead, "Yeah, well, those launch titles better be solid." The gaming community spend a lot of time whining about the least productive things. Backwards compatibility is such a non-issue; if you want to play a PS3 game, down the 200 (or eventually 100~150 dollar) cost and you can play all of them. If you want a brand new console within the first few months of it coming out, you should be focusing on the new titles. You had a chance to get old ones and you decided not to, no reason to look back. i agree with this statement, except for the fact that i actually tried to play ps2 games on my ps2 and they look like incredible ***on my hdtv so :/ though this gen shouldn't have that same problem D= VioDjango said: » Honestly, there's no reason for launch day backwards compatibility and, from a marketing stand point, I can understand why they don't do it. You don't buy a new console for the last generation's games. No one bought a PS3 because they desperately wanted to play Final Fantasy 12 with a wireless controller. Backwards compatibility is an awesome thing, but on day one you should be buying current new titles for the console you're about to overpay for. People lording over BC is a discredit to the industry as the response should be, instead, "Yeah, well, those launch titles better be solid." The gaming community spend a lot of time whining about the least productive things. Backwards compatibility is such a non-issue; if you want to play a PS3 game, down the 200 (or eventually 100~150 dollar) cost and you can play all of them. If you want a brand new console within the first few months of it coming out, you should be focusing on the new titles. You had a chance to get old ones and you decided not to, no reason to look back. While that certainly is a valid argument, the demand for backwards compatibility is justified, especially since launch titles as of late have been rather underwhelming, as support from third party publishers tends not to bloom until at least a good 6+ months after initial release. So there needs to be some incentive and support, or otherwise seen as "comfort" to the buyers until that pendulum gains some momentum. The other end of the spectrum is demand for continued support and print for the previous generations of existing consoles. Options are always better than plans, especially when support and print for older generations of things phase out. The only viable grace retro gamers have to go by at that point is emulation. Jetackuu said: » oh that's just funny, whatever helps you sleep at night. you're not very well informed. oh, so the first pirated editions of Diablo 3 were fully functional eh? No, they weren't I'm well aware that private servers exist, but don't make it seem like they were there day one. Also, if you wanna join shady as hell private servers... well it's your computer, not mine. Shiva.Gib said: » Jetackuu said: » oh that's just funny, whatever helps you sleep at night. you're not very well informed. oh, so the first pirated editions of Diablo 3 were fully functional eh? No, they weren't I'm well aware that private servers exist, but don't make it seem like they were there day one. Also, if you wanna join shady as hell private servers... well it's your computer, not mine. you obviously don't pay much attention. I never said the first ones were, you inferred that from what I said. I have spares and a proxy for good reason. Jetackuu said: » Shiva.Gib said: » Jetackuu said: » oh that's just funny, whatever helps you sleep at night. you're not very well informed. oh, so the first pirated editions of Diablo 3 were fully functional eh? No, they weren't I'm well aware that private servers exist, but don't make it seem like they were there day one. Also, if you wanna join shady as hell private servers... well it's your computer, not mine. you obviously don't pay much attention. I never said the first ones were, you inferred that from what I said. I have spares and a proxy for good reason. Shiva.Gib said: » Jetackuu said: » Shiva.Gib said: » Jetackuu said: » oh that's just funny, whatever helps you sleep at night. you're not very well informed. oh, so the first pirated editions of Diablo 3 were fully functional eh? No, they weren't I'm well aware that private servers exist, but don't make it seem like they were there day one. Also, if you wanna join shady as hell private servers... well it's your computer, not mine. you obviously don't pay much attention. I never said the first ones were, you inferred that from what I said. I have spares and a proxy for good reason. Used to care, until draconian DRM became the norm. and nice, more insults from the guy who's backing Vista... People backing vista.... the actual ***?!
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Leviathan.Catnipthief said: » People backing vista.... the actual ***?! To be fair in your instance CnT: it was probably just the CnT virus.
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Jetackuu said: » Used to care, until draconian DRM became the norm. and nice, more insults from the guy who's backing Vista... and to quote you "you obviously don't pay much attention." Quote: I also said it wasn't well optimized, I wasn't defending it clearly, I'm defending it. VioDjango said: » Fairy.Ghaleon said: » Artemicion said: » Fairy.Ghaleon said: » Some rumors were circulating that sony will have backwards compatibility in the form of streaming games from their recently purchased gakai network. (for what it's worth it works pretty decently) but some think they will offer a netflix style monthly fee / game streaming service with different tiers/pricing plans. That'd still *** over anyone that had the preference of physical copies over online purchases. God forbid their PS3 bites the dust after support and print for it drop. unfortunately the game disc is going the way of the buffalo like it or not. the next next gen will not have physical media at all if they can help it. I'm pretty sad about it as well, but we all knew it would happen eventually. one point about physical media for ps2/ps3 games on the ps4. since it's not backwards compatible in the first place, a streaming service techinically isn't hurting people who prefer physical media since it would not take it anyways. inb4 "why not backwards compatibility from the start", in which i would 90% agree with you. but then there's the point about paying 600$ for a console etc. Honestly, there's no reason for launch day backwards compatibility and, from a marketing stand point, I can understand why they don't do it. You don't buy a new console for the last generation's games. No one bought a PS3 because they desperately wanted to play Final Fantasy 12 with a wireless controller[\b]. Backwards compatibility is an awesome thing, but on day one you should be buying current new titles for the console you're about to overpay for.' People lording over BC is a discredit to the industry as the response should be, instead, "Yeah, well, those launch titles better be solid." The gaming community spend a lot of time whining about the least productive things. Backwards compatibility is such a non-issue; if you want to play a PS3 game, down the 200 (or eventually 100~150 dollar) cost and you can play all of them. If you want a brand new console within the first few months of it coming out, you should be focusing on the new titles. You had a chance to get old ones and you decided not to, no reason to look back. the fact that I could play all my ps1/2 games and the new ps3 games is exactly why I own a 20 and 60gig ps3. new games don't always = good games. old games that you love will always = good games to you. besides the fact that playing a ps1 or ps2 system on a new tv will make your eyes bleed and jesus cry, saying no one buys a new system to play old games just makes you sound stupid also physical media isn't on its way out. how the hell are the makers of ff, mw, bf and others going to charge you an arm, leg and first born to get the super extra collectors hardened gold edition that comes with a r/c helli and a coffee mug........ I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices that older games on SD resolution look utterly terrible on high def televisions, even when upscaled. I for the life of me can't figure out why this is though...
If I hook up my PS1/2 to a boob tube TV, it looks fine, but on my Sharp Aquos, it becomes video diarrhea. Shiva.Gib said: » Jetackuu said: » Used to care, until draconian DRM became the norm. and nice, more insults from the guy who's backing Vista... and to quote you "you obviously don't pay much attention." Quote: I also said it wasn't well optimized, I wasn't defending it clearly, I'm defending it. My collection of purchased media (even still at times) kind of refutes your claims. Not to mention old arguments with a friend of mine just a few years ago about DRM and that he doesn't purchase anything ever. But go on, live your delusions. I read what you said, just because you say you aren't defending it, doesn't mean you aren't because you clearly are. Here's a hint: Vista's issues weren't due to speed, nor people's "inferior" hardware. Artemicion said: » I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices that older games on SD resolution look utterly terrible on high def televisions, even when upscaled. I for the life of me can't figure out why this is though... If I hook up my PS1/2 to a boob tube TV, it looks fine, but on my Sharp Aquos, it becomes video diarrhea. I actually have a behemoth *** 30inch CRT that I keep around and ONLY play retro games on that. tried once on my 55' and .... yeah, once is all it took. Funny thing you bring this up, cause the "Game Grumps" were talking about it, the best place to get really nice CRTs 'if you're a retro gamer' is Good Will or salvation army, they pretty much sell them for next to nothing. Artemicion said: » I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices that older games on SD resolution look utterly terrible on high def televisions, even when upscaled. I for the life of me can't figure out why this is though... If I hook up my PS1/2 to a boob tube TV, it looks fine, but on my Sharp Aquos, it becomes video diarrhea. pretty much has to do with aspect ratio, and a few other little things, but I'd say aspect ratio being the largest one. I purchased a component output cable for my PS2, and it helps a little bit, but it still looks pretty rough playing Legend of Legaia on my 40" LCD... FF12 looks like garbage on a small 20ish inch SDTV as well. An emulator is worth it, even if it has slight framerate problems during quickenings.
Shiva.Gib said: » Artemicion said: » I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices that older games on SD resolution look utterly terrible on high def televisions, even when upscaled. I for the life of me can't figure out why this is though... If I hook up my PS1/2 to a boob tube TV, it looks fine, but on my Sharp Aquos, it becomes video diarrhea. I actually have a behemoth *** 30inch CRT that I keep around and ONLY play retro games on that. tried once on my 55' and .... yeah, once is all it took. Funny thing you bring this up, cause the "Game Grumps" were talking about it, the best place to get really nice CRTs 'if you're a retro gamer' is Good Will or salvation army, they pretty much sell them for next to nothing. this is exactly why I don't play my snes or my sega in my pc room. we still have a tube tv in the living room, and that's where the nes/snes lives. we have been looking at getting a 50in or so led but I dread the day my tube units take a crap Jetackuu said: » Artemicion said: » I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices that older games on SD resolution look utterly terrible on high def televisions, even when upscaled. I for the life of me can't figure out why this is though... If I hook up my PS1/2 to a boob tube TV, it looks fine, but on my Sharp Aquos, it becomes video diarrhea. pretty much has to do with aspect ratio, and a few other little things, but I'd say aspect ratio being the largest one. I purchased a component output cable for my PS2, and it helps a little bit, but it still looks pretty rough playing Legend of Legaia on my 40" LCD... Yeah I noticed that was the first problem, but even when I put it in the native resolution (essentially eliminating the letterbox effect), it still looked extremely blotched, jaggedy, and visually atrocious. My guess is it must be how the display takes in conversion of dated signals. Jetackuu said: » My collection of purchased media (even still at times) kind of refutes your claims. Not to mention old arguments with a friend of mine just a few years ago about DRM and that he doesn't purchase anything ever. But go on, live your delusions. I read what you said, just because you say you aren't defending it, doesn't mean you aren't because you clearly are. Here's a hint: Vista's issues weren't due to speed, nor people's "inferior" hardware. and no, I wasn't defending Vista, again I'm saying most of the notorious problems of Vista was it how wasn't optimized. I don't know how your brain works, but me saying it's functional if you have much higher then system requirement is me singing it's praises. It's me saying it's 'Functional', kinda like how getting a C- is still "passing". But go on, get all angry, passive and not understand words and not actually make points, we're all expecting it. I don't have much of a problem with viewing games from my Wii emulators on lcd tvs, may just be me though.
Plus save states = /orgasm. you could probably get the tools to fix tube tvs for cheap now, I mean they still exist as people prefer analog amps (ones with tubes) for some audio, but a lot of places are probably hawking their tools, I honestly had the chance to get some for free and passed on it. I have some speculation on as to why it doesn't look right, but I'd rather look it up than sit here and speculate on it. Shiva.Gib said: » Jetackuu said: » My collection of purchased media (even still at times) kind of refutes your claims. Not to mention old arguments with a friend of mine just a few years ago about DRM and that he doesn't purchase anything ever. But go on, live your delusions. I read what you said, just because you say you aren't defending it, doesn't mean you aren't because you clearly are. Here's a hint: Vista's issues weren't due to speed, nor people's "inferior" hardware. and no, I wasn't defending Vista, again I'm saying most of the notorious problems of Vista was it how wasn't optimized. I don't know how your brain works, but me saying it's functional if you have much higher then system requirement is me singing it's praises. It's me saying it's 'Functional', kinda like how getting a C- is still "passing". But go on, get all angry, passive and not understand words and not actually make points, we're all expecting it. lol @ claiming that I'm the one who's mad. 1. you know nothing about me. 2. copying software isn't stealing, so I don't need to "justify" anything. 3. I do it now out of spite, instead of just conveniance. 4. You still defend Vista, regardless of how you want to spin it, you're still defending it. I'm sorry that you don't understand such a simple concept. 5. u mad 6. lol @ trying to sound hip by using a word you can't even spell then ninja-editing it. |
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