George Kamitani (Vanillaware) Vs Kotaku.

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George Kamitani (Vanillaware) vs Kotaku.
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 Fenrir.Mariane
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2013-04-25 17:34:29  
04/12 Kotaku posts this piece of "feminist criticism":
http://kotaku.com/game-developers-really-need-to-stop-letting-teenage-boy-472724616

George Kamitani replies half assed gaming journalism with this:(twitter screenshot from a third party)
https://twitter.com/HokutoAndy/status/326548474772484098/photo/1

Actually the picture is from the dwarves that are another selectable character on the same game the journalist was criticizing. A tongue in cheek joke which was interpreted as a homophobic insult.

04/16 Kotaku "journalist" replies with another article :
http://kotaku.com/the-real-problem-with-that-controversial-sexy-video-ga-478120280

Then after all that frigging flame throwing they toss this: (today, 04/25)
http://kotaku.com/beyond-the-bosoms-this-art-is-some-of-the-best-in-the-480270975

Seriously WTF is going at Gawker ?

Not satisfied with stupid gossip now they're trying to attack game makers ?
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By Quiznor 2013-04-25 17:41:39  
Didnt check any links,but you're surprised at kotaku for being retards (I assume)?

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By Bismarck.Misao 2013-04-25 17:57:27  
I read title as:
George Katamari etc etc etc

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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-25 17:58:53  
Boobs do not do that.
By volkom 2013-04-25 17:59:16  
Kotaku~ the fox news of gaming.
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By Bismarck.Misao 2013-04-25 18:09:40  
maybe they should stop hiring 14 year old writers :x
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-04-25 18:30:58  
Actually it's not that uncommon of a position. I know that GI has published a number of articles over the past couple of years discussing issues in sexuality in the gaming industry. They range from hyper sexualization of characters, to a dearth of female leads, to the boys club that the gaming industry is. It's not a problem to ask for change and to make constructive criticism of the industry.

What is a problem is trying to sum all the nuances of the industry wide issue in 4 vague sentences aimed at a specific game. Schreier was right to apologize, because he did a horribly unprofessional job of expressing himself the first time around.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-04-25 18:39:37  
I did a little more digging into this and Kotaku has got something out for this game. There are a load more articles criticizing it than just what leo posted. Silly Kotaku.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-04-25 18:49:21  
The art design is crude and weak. Kotaku isn't journalism.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-04-25 19:08:08  
Odin sphere was a fantastic game in both design (art and story) and game play.
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2013-04-25 19:13:45  
Vanillaware games are niche games. As usual for anything that is or was at any point related to Atlus.

But that's not a reason to come up and call it "Crude and weak".

Someone can come, look the designs and say "ew".

Without seeing how the games are animated (I mean, the characters on Vanillaware games actually do breathe) you're being quite unfair.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-04-25 19:15:19  
There was a rather over the top video attached to the first article, but to be fair that only applies to one character.
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2013-04-25 19:24:36  
Just in case for people to see the game official sites:

http://dragons-crown.com/ (Japan)
http://www.atlus.com/dragonscrown/ (USA)
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By Bahamut.Lordzetta 2013-04-25 19:47:44  
I just don't understand why this game is getting so much hate over the character models. The game looks fantastic but all I see lately is "oh no too much boobs". We have games like Dead or Alive out there which are just there for that but no Dragon Crown gets all this crap. This will be a day one buy for me since I've always loved Vanillaware/Atlus games but it sucks that articles like this hurt sales. I find it ironic that Jason Schreier writes that he feels embarrassed to be seen playing a game with the Sorceress but called Kamitani a 14 year old :/.
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 Bismarck.Dracondria
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2013-04-25 19:51:28  
Because boobs don't do that. If they had more realistic ones there wouldn't be a problem. As they are though, they're ridiculous.

Also
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By Bahamut.Lordzetta 2013-04-25 20:01:14  
But all the characters proportions are exaggerated as well with the exception of the Wizard and archer. We're going to be playing a fantasy game so why the hell worry about what needs to look realistic. Just enjoy it for what it is not for how impossible it is for breast to do what they're doing in this game.
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By Lye 2013-04-25 20:33:53  
It's pretty easy to write articles and tape video documentaries bitching about tropes and sexuality in games.



The only thing that will change an industry is potential profit. There aren't enough people that care to represent significant profit.


But it's good to know SOMEONE reads that video game tabloid "Ko-watdafuk?"
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By Bismarck.Misao 2013-04-26 09:40:00  
might be... weird to post the image but...
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/04/24

lol
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-04-26 09:56:13  
a writer for a site called "kotaku" is unfamiliar with mis-proportioned female characters?

If I assumed the pop-culture where I believe that name is derived from were an accurate representation of real life.... ALL women would be either a) built like an 8 year old, b) built like volkom's sexy, sexy avatars, c) a dickgirl.

Also, all women secretly desire to be raped. They pretend not to want it at first, but literally any man can make any woman fall in love with him by forcing himself upon her.

"shame on that guy for coming up with this new concept". Sex sells and will always sell.
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2013-04-26 09:58:55  
Bismarck.Misao said: »
might be... weird to post the image but...
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/04/24

lol

That sums what normal people think of the Kotaku article. I suppose !
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By Bahamut.Jetacku 2013-04-26 10:03:17  
Leo, they have any games for the PC?

I might download one or two later.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-26 10:04:55  
Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Odin sphere was a fantastic game in both design (art and story) and game play.

I adore Odin Sphere but to pretend Kamitani's art style isn't ludicrously misogynist is dumb.

He's one of the best game artists working today and it's sad to see him consistently squander his talent on superboobs.
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By Tymoris 2013-04-26 10:48:58  
Apart from misogynistic it's really a lazy way art wise
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By Bahamut.Jetacku 2013-04-26 10:54:06  
I personally don't see a problem with him drawing his characters how he sees fits.

If he likes it, let him draw it.

and at all the people bitching at the art, lol...
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2013-04-26 11:02:11  
I just got a new Wizard avatar for my main profile:



Cool enough.
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By Lye 2013-04-26 11:10:00  
Bahamut.Jetacku said: »
I personally don't see a problem with him drawing his characters how he sees fits.

If he likes it, let him draw it.

and at all the people bitching at the art, lol...

I agree.

He draws what he likes and what will sell. Why get angry at the cook when he makes what the majority want to eat?
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By Shiva.Gib 2013-04-26 11:10:44  
I just think the art style of all the characters is hideous.

and I don't think it's sexist really, cause the girl might have massive ***, pin heads and unrealistic curves, but the guys have 60-packs and muscles on muscles on muscles.

so EVERYTHING looks gross and unrealistic
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-04-26 11:15:08  
Drawing oversexualised women is "misogynistic"? What the ***.
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By Lye 2013-04-26 11:17:53  
It's part of this new "let's change the stereotypes of 'gamers' by changing the games" movement.


RAWRRRRRRR RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!!!!!
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