Nin Finally Gets An Update!

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By Bahamut.Citag 2009-07-03 11:53:40
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Sounds like fun to me. It will be nice to be able to party with Ninjas knowing they have that one extra tool to help them keep hate. Still wont see me partying with one in Caedarva Mire though thats for sure.
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-07-03 11:56:29  
>.> Why is everyone only seeing the tanking ja...theres another one there !
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By Bismarck.Drue 2009-07-03 11:59:27  
i'm not sure this will help nin very well in the tanking department cause there are lots of mobs that eat ninjas for breakfast.
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By Alexander.Ultrarichard 2009-07-03 11:59:29  
Dubont said:
>.> Why is everyone only seeing the tanking ja...theres another one there !


i think it's the behind the mob bit that puts people off.
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-07-03 12:00:17  
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>.> Why is everyone only seeing the tanking ja...theres another one there !

Because ninja, whether SE likes it or not, is primarily a tank, so something that helps them do their job better is a good thing. Something that helps them do something that isn't their primary job is more of a "wait and see how it turns out" deal. If it's good, good, if it's not, well at least they have the tanking ja.
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-07-03 12:00:28  
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Dubont said:
>.> Why is everyone only seeing the tanking ja...theres another one there !


i think it's the behind the mob bit that puts people off.


Nin/Thf, Nin/Blm ftw!
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By Alexander.Ultrarichard 2009-07-03 12:01:34  
lol how many people turn up nin/thf to merit or exp ect so they can melee behind :p and chances are if you're behind it.. you're gunna get a sata which is gunna suck cause you've got the ability up.
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-07-03 12:01:56  
Oh yah, and even if it makes nin/blm *** awesome, there'll be a million people who still won't do it because it's a waste of money on tools.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-07-03 12:03:35  
Forcing you to stand behind the mob is pretty stupid... you're gonna lose the effect of the ability for at least a second or two anytime hate shifts.

Not a NIN, so I was a little slow to think of this... where the *** is Jubaku: Ni?

EDIT: Wouldn't /RDM be better than /BLM? Fast Cast for 4 MAB, not a bad trade imo.
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-07-03 12:03:45  
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Oh yah, and even if it makes nin/blm *** awesome, there'll be a million people who still won't do it because it's a waste of money on tools.


I've always thought of it as, if you dont want to put the money into a job to make it good, dont level it.
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-07-03 12:08:24  
/blm gives higher INT (and higher MAB?) and the spells cast pretty fast anyway. Since you typically use the elemental wheel recast will always be up on the first one by the time you get back round to it, so fast cast really isn't that important.

As for /thf, it certainly wouldn't be impossible to pull off using that ja in a party with half a brain, but don't all nin ws's suck *** with SA?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-07-03 12:10:53  
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/blm gives higher INT (and higher MAB?) and the spells cast pretty fast anyway. Since you typically use the elemental wheel recast will always be up on the first one by the time you get back round to it, so fast cast really isn't that important.

As for /thf, it certainly wouldn't be impossible to pull off using that ja in a party with half a brain, but don't all nin ws's suck *** with SA?

Metsu's a 1hit :P
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-07-03 12:12:19  
NIN will still suck as a tank, as a DD, it still has to contend with better DD jobs... LIKE MNK!!!
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-07-03 12:13:29  
Well maybe Metsu will be okay (that's the mythic ws?), really only need one good WS for it to work well, and since nin is capable of such fast tp gain you could alternate a TA jin onto the real tank with SA metsu.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-07-03 12:15:01  
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Well maybe Metsu will be okay (that's the mythic ws?), really only need one good WS for it to work well, and since nin is capable of such fast tp gain you could alternate a TA jin onto the real tank with SA metsu.

Kamu's the Mythic, no idea how many hits that is. Blade: Metsu is the Relic WS. Hence the :P, it'd take a Kikoku for SA and TA to be viable afaik.
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By Alexander.Ultrarichard 2009-07-03 12:58:50  
i'm thinking the reduce in emnity is gunna be quite good. i was doing sandy 7-1 nm duo with a pld, and i kept taking hate and when hundred fists came along, i had to depend on his healing and cover to save me lol. it'd have been so handy to do more damage, and not take as much hate.
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2009-07-03 13:12:58  
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I really like this update for NIN been soooo long and finally i has JA~!!!!!!!!! no more opening my JA menu's and staring at the useless mijin gakure @-@. Oh also love the update to the 2hr.


i see a new lolcat coming..
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-07-03 13:14:22  
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Wilfightforbeer said:
I really like this update for NIN been soooo long and finally i has JA~!!!!!!!!! no more opening my JA menu's and staring at the useless mijin gakure @-@. Oh also love the update to the 2hr.


i see a new lolcat coming..


"I is in ur menu, blowing ur Mijin Gakurez!"

Oh yeah, NIN is still gonna suck, those new JA's are just consolation prizes.
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By Hades.Medjai 2009-07-03 13:17:01  
this proves nothing about nin being a tank sorry ninjas you still wont hold hate to a slugwinder/penta thrust at 55-70 after still dont matter since meripos dont have tanks really
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-07-03 13:18:29  
yeah, I'm gonna come back as my trusty MNK/WAR and STILL strip hate from lolNINtanks... Oh that's gonna be beautiful.
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2009-07-03 13:19:13  
Blazza said:
Would be interesting to see if nin/blm now has a place in end-game


nin/sch so many +s
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-07-03 13:20:10  
Heimdall said:
Wilfightforbeer said:
I really like this update for NIN been soooo long and finally i has JA~!!!!!!!!! no more opening my JA menu's and staring at the useless mijin gakure @-@. Oh also love the update to the 2hr.


i see a new lolcat coming..

Put a BLM hat on it.

"I can has new JAs?"
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By Hades.Medjai 2009-07-03 13:20:53  
BLM dont need new JAs blm needs new spells!
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-07-03 13:22:33  
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Blazza said:
Would be interesting to see if nin/blm now has a place in end-game


nin/sch so many +s


>.> nin/sch how? i see nothing coming from that lol
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-07-03 13:23:15  
soon, we're gonna have people going NIN/NIN, for extra shadows and more LULZ
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-07-03 13:23:27  
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BLM dont need new JAs blm needs new spells!

Lol?

The problem isn't how hard your epeen gets from spike damage, it's longevity. Unless you're talking about Aspir II I disagree completely.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-07-03 13:24:33  
Dubont said:
Heimdall said:
Blazza said:
Would be interesting to see if nin/blm now has a place in end-game


nin/sch so many +s


>.> nin/sch how? i see nothing coming from that lol

Could sleep the mob when you're low on HP, cast Drain/Aspir too? I have no idea lmao.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-07-03 13:26:07  
Wouldn't Drain defeat the Sleep, waking up the mob?

I see FAIL in NIN/SCH, unles you wanna make it rain/shine/hail/etc just for kicks and shits.
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By Hades.Medjai 2009-07-03 13:26:26  
thats what im talking about Aspir II and maybe Drain II =D would like a mini manafont too dont know how SE can make that work but still like a js that doesnt use your MP but increses your magic acc bur decreases MAB or something to that nature idk just talking w/e comes to my head lol
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-07-03 13:27:05  
Kungfuhustle said:
Wouldn't Drain defeat the Sleep, waking up the mob?

I see FAIL in NIN/SCH, unles you wanna make it rain/shine/hail/etc just for kicks and shits.

You wouldn't cast Drain while it's asleep unless you wanted it to wake up, obviously >.>

NIN/SCH wouldn't have Klimaform.
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