Does SE Rly Listen?

I'm a DNC, I can solo ***, too, and yes, it takes forever. Time spent don't mean ***...it's the price you pay for soloability.

Seriously, RDM is just fine. EVERYONE with an MP bar wants refresh. Add in convert, and you guys can pretty much already go forever with little MP issues...what is the problem with RDM again?

It's like SAM's bitching that they aren't powerful enough and need more.

i just want my jug pets from the dats ; ;

Jug Of Brain Broth

Jug Of Cunning Brain Broth

Jug Of Foul Blood Broth

Jug Of Lucky Carrot Broth

Jug Of Mellow Bird Broth

How many RDM solos take 2 hours :o and how many of the real top end solos can be done by other jobs? I can maybe see minor stuff being done but things like Faust ...

Sams have gotten a rediculous amount of buffs over the years rdms just get more and more gimped. If they took 1 single ja from dnc would it all of a sudden not get invites anymore? I bet rdm wouldn't. And I ask again wtf does soloing have to do with what a job in a game that is pt orient needs!?! And in those hard solos do the mobs get stronger to you? And single peice of bad luck drops you from full sometimes? Do you even understand just how much enfeebling magic most that takes to do? *** dnc is overpowered and needs to be toned down then.

I had a rng friend that solod all kinds of ***. And the fights that would take that long are generally not done. Who wants to fight that long except for epeenage. But it can be done and makes people QQ. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan rdm can solo that.

DNC already gets the *** on invites. Peeps would rather take a pure DD, or healer, over a DNC 95% of the time, how many DNC's do you invite to YOUR parties?

And I'm not saying soloability is the end all be all of a jobs functionality, but it's a good indication that the job has a fair amount of power behind it as it is...

And yeah, if they took convert away from RDM say, then ya, RDM's wouldn't get invites anymore prolly. But then again, convert and refresh is what makes RDM such a highly sought after job as it is, and the healer of choice in exp parties in the later levels.

Basically, if you can get an invite within a few minutes putting your flag up, you prolly don't need to be fixed.

I dont actually pt endgame anymore... solo all all my xp. But I did yeah I'd get dncs and I'd get thfs too if I knew them. People always hated on them dagger users even though if they have any clue how to DD they can outpreform the others especially on piercing weak mobs. Sam didn't need even more of a boost after the 2hand update but they got it anyways.

TBH, I don't understand peeps that don't want a THF at all...the ability to manipulate hate is nice to have, and the spike damage THF can put out is nice as well.

As far as DNC goes, if you actually would be willing to invite them, then I give you props...many don't. I've heard the same "DNC sucks, DNC {Too Weak!}, DNC has no place in endgame, lolDNC, etc..." so many times it's disgusts me. Maybe not as bad as PUP or BST has it, but enough that I totally feel for them.

And I actually agree that SAM seems to be overpowered...but Lord knows the ***storm that would come if they nerfed 'em. SE prolly won't if anything just to not lose the subscribers over it...

Any career SAM's wanna confirm? If they nerfed SAM would you feel like quitting?

/sarcasm
a native refresh tick to stack with composure refresh and relic hat OR vermy

would be nice

would not make the job more overpowered then it already is.....
/sarcasm

Well lets put it this way

RDM got his upgrade

let the rest of 20'ish jerbs get a update

thats all im saying

umm k add MAX HP Boost to PLD at 50/70 XD

or

make NIN TOOL EXPERTISE lv 50/70 for NIN plus keep ability to merit more at 75

kinda sad how many tools u have to go thro b4 u can start saving a couple here and there

they need to consolidate tools 1 for elemtal 1 for enfeebs 1 for enhance and maybe 1 for utsu though that could share enhance

Nin is already getting an update and you want more?
Talk about greedy >=\

seriously could u imagine a rl ninja carrying all those tools? and what if they go swiming? btw why does nin af not look well more ninja like

you want some bread with that whine i mean you dont see rngs bitching about the gil they spend by shooting (most of the time) we get recycle at 73 if i remember right then we get the crappy merit do what we do CRAFT! lol

Oh, you know how it is, Lu...if everyone had their way in this game every job would have an ability that makes them completely impervious to damage, have unlimited MP, a DPS of 99.99, with a /recast that matches the duration...

lol talking about the invo it eats up lol

I like it, but.. being a NIN myself, I can agree to a certain extent that NIN needs to have a somewhat more "Space saving" option for NIN tools.

Let's look at a "Fully Stocked" NIN's inventory.

Shihei x99 (+However many are leftover in the previous stack, typically ~10)
Sanjaku-Tengui x99
Shinobi-Tabi x99
Jusatsu x99
Sairui-Ran x99
Kaginawa x99
Tsurara x99
Uchitake x99
Hiraishin x99
Makibishi x99
Kawahori-Ogi x99
Mizu-Deppo x99

Toolbag(Shihei) x24
Toolbag(Jusatsu) x12
Toolbag(Sairui-Ran) x12
Toolbag(Kaginawa) x12
Toolbag(Tsurara) x12
Toolbag(Uchitake) x12
Toolbag(Hiraishin) x12
Toolbag(Makibishi) x12
Toolbag(Kawahori-Ogi) x12
Toolbag(Mizu-Deppo) x12

That's 22~23 slots, purely for tools, on a FULLY stocked NIN. (Don't start crying '99% of NIN won't carry all that'.. keep reading)

Now.. a more logical view on it.

Shihei x99 (+However many are leftover in the previous stack, typically ~10)
Sanjaku-Tengui x99
Shinobi-Tabi x99
Jusatsu x99
Sairui-Ran x99
Kaginawa x99
Hiraishin x99
Kawahori-Ogi x99

Toolbag(Shihei) x24
Toolbag(Jusatsu) x12
Toolbag(Sairui-Ran) x12
Toolbag(Kaginawa) x12
Toolbag(Hiraishin) x12
Toolbag(Kawahori-Ogi) x12

That's a slightly more reasonable, 16~17 slots.. How many other jobs have 16 other slots used on items that aren't gear or food?

Then, NIN's probably carry 3~4 different types of food.

Att Food
Acc Food
GOOD Att Food
Dorado Sushi (Enmity food)

Some also put a couple of Jack-o-Lanterns in their /satchel or inventory..

Most NIN also carry around at least 3~4 sets of gear, or at least the good ones.

EVA+ set.
Standard TP set. (Including a good Acc+ setup)
Haste/Fast Cast+ set.
Damage- Set
WS Set.

Need I go on? NIN does need some form of Space saving option, so don't say "Some people just aren't happy". When I'm fully geared with JUST NIN stuff, I'm sitting at 60/70.

After all that though, I will say that the NIN update planned, really is a lot better than it could have been, and people should be happy that NIN now has a way to set itself a clear role in a PT, and a way to increase it's soloability.

QFT ^

A better Nin expertise isnt going to save you alot of space...its going to save you gil...thats it.

I see no mention of Ninja Tools Expertise in that quote.. Unless I'm looking at the wrong quote.

I meant this one

Having to type out quotes instead of clicking them is making me a lazy quoter.

messing with quotes is full of win

I hope one day SE get rid of all the Meritable stuff people don't get, and put in more useful things.

Lu.. He wasn't really saying anything about space-saving, though.. He mentioned tool-saving, others mentioned space-saving..

And I suppose it would be nice to have more tools saved, but honestly.. With my NIN, and wheeling whenever I could in a party to keep hate (Like any good NIN should), I still have more than half of every stack of ele-toolbags I bought/crafted. You don't always need a full wheel to hold hate, and honestly, once you get Koga Tekko and merit expertise you can get a ~50% chance not to use a tool? And then there's whatever will come from the JA, if it all stacks, and you shouldn't have to worry much..

When it all comes down to it, if you asked.. What do all of you NINs want.. A shiny new thing to play with, or not having so much inventory space taken up.. I really hope people would lean toward the shiny new thing to play with.

(kinda offtopic).. but if it's a JA, why would there be tools? and if it's a JA, why are they casting spells in the picture of them lol.

Punches through walls so dungeon-crawling becomes obsolete prz.

Yes! Thief needs something. We get the short end of the stick and it's bad enough we get hated on by most everyone unless they want something to drop. Assassin and Feint really not so much a grand update for thieves when everyone else is/has gotten some pretty decent stuff. SE! Show the thieves some love!!!

Ranger no gets steal! Steal is the one of the very few things that makes us stand out from other jobs. Heck can't really say Treasure Hunter as much with the mog tablet enhancement in effect when it is.

And I agree with the comment about doing something so whm is the #1 healer. I've been trying to get whm from 61-75 for almost 3 months now and finding parties (good ones mind you) is a PITA.

Also. Fortifications - Put them back the way they were! Changing them like they did was totally ridicules. Now there is simply no reason for them and really I don't know many people that will sit around and maybe get 200xp while waiting for creatures to show up.

Merits - I think we should get like half the credit we used when we cancel them instead of just losing the merits all together. That's time and effort going down the drain.