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 Shiva.Viciousss
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-01-19 01:17:28  
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Just go to sleep already. You are cranky when you're drunk. Or at least talk to someone else for a change.

How about you stop posting lies instead? Cuz we are on page 3 or 4 of your nonstop trolling and ***. You have not made a single point, other than to prove you are a pathological troll. And guess what, your next post will be wrong too.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-19 01:21:19  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Arguing approval ratings like they mean anything beyond reelection capability or pundit chitchat isn't a shot. It's flailing. You know what I was talking about.

I'm sorry. You're right. I should just accept the ABSOLUTE TRUTH that Obama is better than Bush. Screw public opinion.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-19 01:26:57  
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...we've already discussed that inactive and retired are different statuses.

So you are redefining "surrender" or you just don't like that word. OK he "gave up" his law license and walked away from the profession for reasons unknown after a distinguished career that included one actual court appearance. I'm glad we got to the bottom of this now.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2014-01-19 01:29:59  
In the real world, if you're inactive/retired you still hold a valid law license you are just not authorized to practice law even if that's not how it works in conservative fantasy conspiracy land.

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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-01-19 01:32:10  
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
...we've already discussed that inactive and retired are different statuses.

So you are redefining "surrender" or you just don't like that word. OK he "gave up" his law license and walked away from the profession for reasons unknown after a distinguished career that included one actual court appearance. I'm glad we got to the bottom of this now.

You are almost there, still wrong tho.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-19 01:32:13  
I can see using 276 links to get your point across, but 277? Now that's just overkill.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2014-01-19 01:36:28  
I don't even particularly like Obama (I voted for Hildog originally), but ***.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-01-19 01:37:59  
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
I don't even particularly like Obama (I voted for Hilary originally), but ***.

Its so much better when you realize Amandarius is here strictly to be laughed at, and should at no point be taken seriously.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-19 01:52:17  
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
I don't even particularly like Obama (I voted for Hildog originally), but ***.

I like the gradual separation from Obama I'm starting to see. Predictable. Just wait til after 2014 when everyone is sprinting away from him. It starts with the denial that you vote for him in the primary. Then it will be the denial that you voted for him in 2012. Then it will be the denial that you voted for him at all. Something like that. It will inevitably be loyalty you will all be ashamed of one day.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2014-01-19 01:54:56  
I voted for him twice and proud of it.

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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-19 02:08:35  
Yeah, that was kinda funny the first time.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2014-01-19 02:09:06  
That's cool, I'm not trying to be funny.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-01-19 02:13:06  
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Arguing approval ratings like they mean anything beyond reelection capability or pundit chitchat isn't a shot. It's flailing. You know what I was talking about.

I'm sorry. You're right. I should just accept the ABSOLUTE TRUTH that Obama is better than Bush. Screw public opinion.
No, it was about lumping the guy who oversaw one of the worst ecomomic disasters in history with the guy who oversaw a sluggish recovery. We went over this concept pages ago, dagnabbit!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-19 02:27:54  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Arguing approval ratings like they mean anything beyond reelection capability or pundit chitchat isn't a shot. It's flailing. You know what I was talking about.
I'm sorry. You're right. I should just accept the ABSOLUTE TRUTH that Obama is better than Bush. Screw public opinion.
No, it was about lumping the guy who oversaw one of the worst ecomomic disasters in history with the guy who oversaw a sluggish recovery. We went over this concept pages ago, dagnabbit!

Lol, puhlease. If the sluggish recovery is the worst thing about Obama's presidency that you notice, it's time to take the blinders off.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-01-19 03:12:13  
Bush led us into Iraq, one of the costliest expenditures to nowhere in recent 'Murican history.

And for all the bluster from the Republicans, they had two chances to snatch the White House from a man who 'wasn't qualified' / 'incompetent' and lost in spectacular fashion both times. For an incompetent leader, Obama sure had no problem crushing McCain/Palin and dismantling Romney/Ryan.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-01-19 03:35:49  
The economy is probably the most immediately relevant issue to most of the country. I know it's been for me. The outlook from when I graduated a month ago is greatly improved from when I graduated in 2009. Did you mean the ACA? Personally, I've directly seen it help a few of my family members and friends tremendously. Are you referring to the NSA debacle that few people interpret favorably? Or did you have something else in mind? (-10 points if any answers rhyme with Zenghazi.)

I got bored of the Bush/Obama compare and contrast game a long time ago, but this tired rhetoric of equating the two or painting Obama as the WURST PREZDINT EVAR!!11 is simply out of touch with objective reality. So far, his is a middling presidential term highlighted by one major policy achievement punctuated with some rousing political speeches. His qualifications for President were that he was more electable than both Grandpa Simpson and Uncle Pennybags. All this extreme animosity would be completely puzzling to me actually if I wasn't already familiar with the right-wing outrage machine.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-19 03:44:20  
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Bush led us into Iraq, one of the costliest expenditures to nowhere in recent 'Murican history. And for all the bluster from the Republicans, they had two chances to snatch the White House from a man who 'wasn't qualified' / 'incompetent' and lost in spectacular fashion both times. For an incompetent leader, Obama sure had no problem crushing McCain/Palin and dismantling Romney/Ryan.

Democrats failed to take the White House from Dubya twice too. What's your point? You directly contradict yourself. If winning the election is an argument against Obama being an incompetent, unqualified leader, I guess that applies to George Bush Jr. too.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-19 03:57:49  
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The economy is probably the most immediately relevant issue to most of the country. I know it's been for me. The outlook from when I graduated a month ago is greatly improved from when I graduated in 2009. Did you mean the ACA? Personally, I've directly seen it help a few of my family members and friends tremendously. Are you referring to the NSA debacle that few people interpret favorably? Or did you have something else in mind? (-10 points if any answers rhyme with Zenghazi.) I got bored of the Bush/Obama compare and contrast game a long time ago, but this tired rhetoric of equating the two or painting Obama as the WURST PREZDINT EVAR!!11 is simply out of touch with objective reality. So far, his is a middling presidential term highlighted by one major policy achievement punctuated with some rousing political speeches. His qualifications for President were that he was more electable than both Grandpa Simpson and Uncle Pennybags. All this extreme animosity would be completely puzzling to me actually if I wasn't already familiar with the right-wing outrage machine.

When Obama was elected the first time, you could've asked any liberal what they thought America would be like by the time 2014 came around, and I guarantee not one of them would think we'd be so far in debt and that the nation would be more deeply divided than ever. Obama has does nothing to bring "Hope" or "Change" to America. He was unbelievably hyped. Sure, blame the Republicans if that makes you feel better about the abysmal situation that we're in now. The fact is that what we needed in 2008 wasn't a policy maker who could force legislation down America's throat. We needed a leader. He failed. The Obama ship is going down, and people still hold on to the vision of the Obama messiah because they are too afraid to admit they were wrong.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-01-19 04:13:15  
Oh yes, and fox news also told me that Obama is going to be impeached and Romney is going to claim the white house. Of course, not before he goes and apologizes to the terrorist who were responsible for BENGAZI and high fives them with tax payer money.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-19 04:18:45  
Was there a reason for that post, or is that the typical "I have no actual argument, so I'll bring up Fox News because somehow it's pertinent."?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-01-19 04:40:17  
About as pertinent as bringing up a five year-old campaign slogan, I guess.

Last I checked, the debt was stabilized and projected to decrease in the near future and unemployment had dropped to a multi-year low. Vague indicators of recovery but not the signs of the four horsemen you're seeing.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-19 05:02:54  
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About as pertinent as bringing up a five year-old campaign slogan, I guess. Last I checked, the debt was stabilized and projected to decrease in the near future and unemployment had dropped to a multi-year low. Vague indicators of recovery but not the signs of the four horsemen you're seeing.

I bet you got your facts from MSNBC. Wow, now I know why liberals do that with Fox News. I don't have to research your claims or anything!

But seriously, one thing that separates me from some other conservatives is that I want the economy to recover, even if it means Obama gets the credit. If he'd been instrumental in eliminating the deficit instead of more than doubling it, I'd be singing his praises. As far as your indicators go, I'll believe it when I see it. I'm skeptical of statistics to begin with because I understand how they're derived. I'm far more skeptical of "projections".
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-01-19 05:03:45  
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Was there a reason for that post, or is that the typical "I have no actual argument, so I'll bring up Fox News because somehow it's pertinent."?

It was to highlight the fact that the right-wing propagandra machine is still doing a good job keeping a portion of this country in their own bubble away from reality.

Should give been pretty obvious, I hit all the major points: Romney winning the electiong, BENGZI, etc.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-01-19 05:05:32  
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But seriously, one thing that separates me from some other conservatives is that I want the economy to recover, even if it means Obama gets the credit. If he'd been instrumental in eliminating the deficit instead of more than doubling it, I'd be singing his praises. As far as your indicators go, I'll believe it when I see it. I'm skeptical of statistics to begin with because I understand how they're derived. I'm far more skeptical of "projections".

I need to go to bed but I can spare another 5 minute in teaching you a useful lesson.

Can you first reconfirm that you're willing to praise Obama if he's reduced the deficit since he's been in office?



And I'm going to bed.

google -> "us deficit by year" =>
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html

Obama Deficits
FY 2015*: $577 billion
FY 2014*: $744 billion
FY 2013: $680 billion
FY 2012: $1,087 billion
FY 2011: $1,300 billion
FY 2010: $1,294 billion

There's a reason why the fox news audience is found to be the least informed audience on more than one occasioned.

And 2009 goes to Bush because the fiscal year is a thing. Look it up.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-19 05:19:03  
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
But seriously, one thing that separates me from some other conservatives is that I want the economy to recover, even if it means Obama gets the credit. If he'd been instrumental in eliminating the deficit instead of more than doubling it, I'd be singing his praises. As far as your indicators go, I'll believe it when I see it. I'm skeptical of statistics to begin with because I understand how they're derived. I'm far more skeptical of "projections".
I need to go to bed but I can spare another 5 minute in teaching you a useful lesson. Can you first reconfirm that you're willing to praise Obama if he's reduced the deficit since he's been in office?

First off, I meant debt, not deficit. My mistake. Secondly, there are some people on this forum who might be able to "teach me a lesson". You're not one of them. Good day.

Edit: I don't watch Fox News. Seriously, it's not a requirement for becoming a conservative so please stahp bringing it up.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-01-19 05:34:25  
Man, I go to one all-night birthday party for a friend and I miss all the fun.

Well, that's a lie, actually. This hasn't been remotely interesting. The insults are dead-on-arrival, the arguments on offer are the same disproven nonsense from half a decade ago, and I'll bet not a single one of you has had the decency to take your shirt off and wiggle your butt a little whilst pointlessly trying to cram reality into a skull-hole so shallow that it's convex.

Fun fact: facts are virtually incapable of changing most humans' opinions. Provable reality will never overcome firmly-held beliefs, especially in our ridiculous country that routinely claims that faith (literally: irrational adherence to a point-of-view that fundamentally cannot be proven) is good and should be embraced. Strangely enough, rejection of data that contradicts our belief is a meta-cognitive version of our fight-flight-freeze response -- we literally fear threats to our thoughts so much that we respond in the same manner as we respond to rampaging tigers, bloodthirsty Republicans, and other rabid animals.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-19 05:44:53  
Oh, so your opinions are 100% based on facts? Also, I'm waiting for your oh-so-amazing arguments and insults. Please show us how it's done, oh mighty one.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-01-19 06:17:56  
I just did. Weren't you watching?

Hmm. Perhaps a recap is due: there's no *** argument here so why the hell would I dignify this ***by contributing pointless data to it? Put another way: polish that turd all you want, it won't turn it into gold.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-19 06:30:02  
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I just did. Weren't you watching?

Oh. Well that was a let-down.

But yeah, you're probably right about this argument not really going anywhere. On the other hand, I'm having fun. The only thing more fun than debating with intellectuals is debating with people who think they're intellectuals. Kudos to whoever can correctly guess which group I think most people here belong to.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-01-19 07:23:33  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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About as pertinent as bringing up a five year-old campaign slogan, I guess. Last I checked, the debt was stabilized and projected to decrease in the near future and unemployment had dropped to a multi-year low. Vague indicators of recovery but not the signs of the four horsemen you're seeing.

I bet you got your facts from MSNBC. Wow, now I know why liberals do that with Fox News. I don't have to research your claims or anything!

But seriously, one thing that separates me from some other conservatives is that I want the economy to recover, even if it means Obama gets the credit.
If he'd been instrumental in eliminating the deficit instead of more than doubling it, I'd be singing his praises. As far as your indicators go, I'll believe it when I see it. I'm skeptical of statistics to begin with because I understand how they're derived. I'm far more skeptical of "projections".

Pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject. I don't really care who gets the credit. I don't care what they SAY will happen of the next 5 years, the proof is in the pudding, Washington needs to get over these stupid squabbles (from both sides) and get their *** to work. 300 million people's lives and children's lives depend on fixing these issues now, and most of the country is absorbed by petty disagreements. Who really cares about Bush's approval ratings? Nobody, they care about eating tomorrow.
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