Good Old New Jersey Corruption

Even if you give 2009 to Bush, the 8 years of Bush presidency gave America $3,548,550,000 deficit (which is the actual amount, that amount cannot go higher).

So, that would leave the next 5 years to Obama. Want to take a guess at what that number is? It's not hard, you even supplied the numbers yourself...

You also want to guess how many years it took for Obama to hit the same amount of deficit as it took Bush 8 years to accumulate?

And you are spouting that conservatives are least educated, when you yourself gave your own damning evidence without realizing it?

You can bleat that it has been going down since 2009, but you have to realize that liberals was in complete control of the government in 2009-2011 (or FY 2010 to 2012) and did nothing to reduce the deficit but keep it at the same level as Bush's last year (which the liberals were in control of Congress then too, and you know that the budget starts at Congress, liberals always spout that when Obama get's blamed for the budget issues).

It wasn't until conservatives swept the House and started drafting budgets to be ignored by Reid that the budget started falling. Kindof hard to pass new appropriations to increase spending if one side demands cuts to the budget.

Good attempt to try to deflect Obama's horrid leadership qualities and attempts to control spending though. And thanks for giving out your own damning evidence.

@Ravael: Since it seems like you are new here, let me give you a piece of advice: The liberals on this site will hero worship Obama regardless of what he does. They are so blinded by his "magnificence" that he could revoke their rights as citizens and still defend him for doing so.

Plus, it helps if you have the mod's support on this website, so you can do whatever you want and not get in trouble for it.

A large chunk of the "Obama deficit" was used to correct the unpaid expenses of 5 years of war and put a plug in the economic meltdown. I can't say how much of it, as the numbers for defense spending are rarely accessible.

As for the "liberals" around here, it seems that most of them are equally unhappy with Obama, they just have real reasons instead of making ones up.

And it seems like Ravael is plenty capable of figuring those things out for himself.

Expenses were paid though. You honestly think that they would just sit there for 5 years and not become collectible? Those "unpaid" expenses were paid long time ago, defenders of Obama's budgeting process would just tell you otherwise without showing you the paid invoices.

Most everything is current, the longest any debt is allowed to be unpaid is 90 days. Notice I said "allowed"? That is because it is in the treasury regulations that specifically state that all debt from the government must be repaid within 90 days of it's due date. All of the debt we have are notes (to ourselves mostly, but other countries as well) that are still current because they are not due.

Only you are "unhappy" with Obama. Pleebo, Jet, Vic, Zero, Sylow are proud of him, they even admitted it. Sylow most recently. So, try again?

Oh I see what you did that.

And that's so hilariously cute. You're adding the different deficit numbers together into one lump sum. Before you go on, please learn the difference between a debt and a deficit.

The bills were paid, of course, secretly through emergency appropriations and removed from even the pentagon's annual budget (which was also unregulated). The administration also cut taxes and failed to add any kind of supplemental funding to the actual war effort. It's deficit spending, which is pushed out years in the future through foreign loans. The reason people say he didn't pay for the war, is because he didn't, he pushed the debt secretly onto the future generation by not declaring the spending on any public books. Even Congress wasn't privy to the hidden spending.

You can argue semantics all you want, but having a secret credit card doesn't mean you are paying for things. It wasn't budgeted or declared. Obama put the entirety of the expenses of the war on the public budget for the pentagon. Combined with the bailouts, it made a massive jump in debt visible. Kinda like discovering your wife's maxed out credit card when the bank comes looking for you. Just because we didn't know about that debt, doesn't mean it wasn't there.

multiple cases*

He didn't surrender his license, learn what words mean.

He was a professor, the school he lectured at even backed up this claim, you're ignoring facts. Do you not know what the term "adjunct" means? Have you never been to school past the 5th grade? it doesn't seem like it.
Bush deserve everything he got and more, he was an incompetent buffoon, who nearly destroyed this nation with his illicit wars.

I wouldn't say the worst, but he is too weak, too much like Bush, and a fascist ***. But at least attack the guy on real ***, there's plenty of it.


Oh and yeah the Senate approved the war, it's easy to get a bunch of people to go along with your money making venture for your daddy's buddies when you *** LIE TO THEM about it, and then hold the citizen's of a nation to foot the bill, while those elites rake in enormous profits, and you cut taxes on them.

I mean don't get me wrong, Clinton's still responsible for repealing the Glass-Steagall.

But I have been waiting such a long time for them to get here!

did thy stop at outback steakhouse? wtf! /checks watch
they're almost two thousand years late!...

stupid Apocalypse is never gunna get here...

/kicks rocks

Damn.

6 pages since I posted at 18:55 yesterday.

Nice derail gang.

Technically Bush didn't win his first term, just saying.

people seem to ignore the fact that the economy recovered some time ago, it's just not booming.

Let's see reasons for that: trade agreements, allowing corporate shenanigans, companies moving everything oversees, etc.

Here, let me explain what's going on.

Say, we have a friend. Call him Mr.USA and on his shoulder sat a little guy called Mr.Bush. Before Mr.Bush came around, Mr.USA has a buddy named Mr.Clinton, and Mr.USA was making more money than he was spending! Things were nice; his long standing debt was finally starting to decrease for the first time in a long, long time. Mr. Bush saw this and said, "Hey! We have all this extra money, we should start buying more stuff!".

And so, Mr.USA started buying more and more stuff, another car called Afghanistan, a new boat called Iraq, a young blonde name Med.PartD and he decided it was a good idea to reduce his salary and earn less money (A brilliant plan he called the Bush Tax Cuts).

Mr.USA thought he had it pretty good for awhile until the bills actually came in. Mr.Bush eventually disappeared from Mr.USA's life and along comes Mr.Obama. Mr.Obama took over control of Mr.USA's finances, but half of Mr.USA's conscious was very upset with Mr.Obama for having these bills to begin with. Half of Mr.USA's conscious concluded that since Mr.Obama is now paying for these bills, these bills must only exist because of Mr.Obama! What a silly notion, but it's not all that strange because half of Mr.USA's conscious is clinically insane.

Woah woah woah woah woah...




Bush left us with one hell of a deficit, that Obama had to clean up.

maybe it wouldn't have been that bad if we hadn't given corporations all those tax breaks (where were all those jobs they "created" with that break?) or if you know, we didn't invade 2 nations, and have the policy of "meh, we'll just not put this on the books"

nvm, because somebody had better organized numbers, but hey.

Or if that administration didn't exercise crony capitalism to the highest degree with cost plus contracting to companies the then VP was associated to?

I have not, I don't even like the guy.

So take your trash elsewhere.

edit: just for starters: I'm against push for more "gun control" and the TSA, DHS, and NSA and their own personal breed of fascism.

I voted for Obama for non-economic reasons; because I will not vote for a Republican until they get out of bed with the religious right.

I don't believe ***that a politician says about macroeconomics, because it's about as reliable as astrology (before you ***, it's an opinion piece and critical of the Obama administration).

I don't think that our "sluggish" economy is Bush, Clinton, Bush II, or Obama's fault. We might be able to blame Congress some, but I would wager that the credit industry is responsible for an overwhelming majority of it.

Honestly I think the stimulus and the bailout money would have been better served by paying off consumer credit cards, then people would buy more ***.

We're an economy based on ***we don't need, people did cut back to "within their means" and the slow recovery is the result.

I voted against Obama in 2008, 1. because I didn't think anything could win with Palin on the ballot (and I was planning to leave the country if that happened anyway), and 2. because I'm not a fan of fascism.

I voted libertarian, but I've grown up since then and realize that no party represents my views, but the major two are both fascists and one is going to win until we change our election system. So take fascism out of the picture and you're left with a bunch of other issues that the "right" is so wrong on, imo.

one of the biggest ones is the push to make this a religious state.

I voted for white guilt. White guilt never fails.

Wow and now debt and deficit have become one.

I enjoy when I see this line. Please define fascism.

I must have hit a nerve when I got the whole gang responding pretty much all at once.

But please continue. I could use a good laugh.

CBO projections, yo (http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44521). And the way unemployment statistics are calculated isn't a secret. This is why I said vague indicators, because they come with certain assumptions and qualifiers. You don't hold some exclusive insight the rest of us don't have.

People dislike when someone knowingly lies to their face. Even moreso when the facts are easily found and well known.

The disparity between what we type and how you interpret it is ever widening.

My sarcasm detector just exploded.

I must protect the sultan with my life. Allah has deigned Obamas life superior to my own and soon you too will be made to bend before Obama's knee. You just haven't seen the light yet. Korans in every household, all religious freedom silenced before the one true God. I'm currently applying to work for one of Obama's secret conversion facilities where we break you convince you of your folly through enhanced techniques.

Once you've been properly seasoned we'll convince you of his flawless economics and then you'll be further brainwashed with hypnotherapy and nanomachines to service the great Democratic machine. La Li Lu Le Lo. All free will denied. Your guns and businesses will be seized then we'll redistribute your talents through employment centers. All of your kids will be given free samples of cocaine, marijuana and alcohol upon entering preschool funded by the wealthy who we will enslave immediately.

Michelle is going to plan all of our meals, glorious Obama in every household and the healthcare program? Our plan to unleash the mark of the beast on you all and that's change you can believe in.

I can't wait until Obama announces that there will be no 2016 election and finally gives this country the glorious reforms she so desperately needs. We will suspend the decrepit Constitution and bring true Democracy to this wayward country.

Obama for life!

And nothing of value was said.

Have you accepted Obama as your personal lord and savior yet?

Here's a cookie. You'll fell better in a minute.

Are these taxpayer subsidized cookies? I only eat government mandated baked goods. I like to let Obama run my personal choices right down to delectable baked goods.

I only eat cookies that are made with hope and change. Sorry.