Bushido - The Way Of The Samurai (A Guide) V. 2.0
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Bushido - The Way of The Samurai (A Guide) V. 2.0
A majority of the time Kaiten is not better than Fudo. Unless you don't have a moonshade? XD
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O.o?
Assuming Amano at ilevel 119, Kaiton should always be better the Fudo. Both are 1 hit and 60% STR WSC. Kaiten has 3.0 fTP with a 40% damage boost, Fudo has 3.75 fTP (4.0 with moonshade). You would practically the exact same gear for them both (DA earrings over moonshade brutal for Kaiten) so it comes down to the 40% boost on Amano bringing Kaiten above Fudo. If you have a different GKT then your not using Kaiten anyway. The only thing in Fudo's favor is TP overflow in case you MA on your last swing to 100. You'd have to be sitting at about ~125TP for Fudo to start being equal to Kaiten. Lol woops my B. Thanks for clearing that up for me dude.
Lakshmi.Saevel said: » The only thing in Fudo's favor is TP overflow in case you MA on your last swing to 100. You'd have to be sitting at about ~125TP for Fudo to start being equal to Kaiten. It's a bit higher than that, but 120-160 tp values are probably EXTREMELY common with capped haste amongst the majority of players. If you can play 100% perfectly, you'd be doing kaiten more, however, not everyone can, and fudo will be a safer bet to spam with high haste. Carbuncle.Xenhas said: » Lakshmi.Saevel said: » The only thing in Fudo's favor is TP overflow in case you MA on your last swing to 100. You'd have to be sitting at about ~125TP for Fudo to start being equal to Kaiten. It's a bit higher than that, but 120-160 tp values are probably EXTREMELY common with capped haste amongst the majority of players. If you can play 100% perfectly, you'd be doing kaiten more, however, not everyone can, and fudo will be a safer bet to spam with high haste. If your consistently WSing at that high a value then your doing some really wrong. Floored delay is 88 which is about 1.5 seconds per attack round with the WS adding 2 seconds. That comes to 6.5s at the fastest with 8s being easily achievable, then add in MA procs. Sometimes the game lags out and you jump from 60 to 120 TP, but most of the time TP doesn't come faster then you can hit your WS macro. So honestly the only time you should be over 100 is when your last swing proced MA. Should being the operative word in that final sentence because most players aren't playing perfectly, or even close to, most of the time.
If you're using gearswap or spellcast you can just use send command or changespell to use fudo when over a certain amount of tp. This isn't perfect either though because quite often another attack round has happened before your macro press is sent out and you'll end up still doing Kaiten when you should have used Fudo. Also, TParty alone can be an additional form of delay in seeing your tp values. Even when multi-boxing, I'll see my TP jump on my BRD's screen slightly before it goes up on the SAM screen, so you are getting additional delay in seeing TP values which you can't control, and that adds another uncontrollable factor to not WSing perfectly every time in a perfect world.
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: » Also, TParty alone can be an additional form of delay in seeing your tp values. Even when multi-boxing, I'll see my TP jump on my BRD's screen slightly before it goes up on the SAM screen, so you are getting additional delay in seeing TP values which you can't control, and that adds another uncontrollable factor to not WSing perfectly every time in a perfect world. With practice, you can pretty consistently hit your WS macro before >100TP is visually shown on the client. If you're using something as fast as Gearswap, you can basically be WSing before you even see 100TP on your screen. I do that, but you can also whif that next hit that you anticipate will land. It's a chance that I take most of the time. The only times I don't play that aggressively is when I'm too busy playing other characters because I suck. It's pretty much a given that you're going to WS after 2 rounds max anyways with 4-hit koga, so that also helps to make it extremely predictable.
Using autoexec to autows has kept me from overTPing pretty much 100% of the time unless I'm lagging, I do that when I'm not confident in my ability to ws on time or am multitasking. Besides multi hits going over 100 obviously.
I like not being 100% bored and automated when I play. Only 50% automation is fine for me!
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I focus on my WHM and BRD while letting my DD play itself. :( Though there are certainly some people who are just so slow that they could desperately use an auto WS. Can't stand seeing the amazing number of people who pretty much never WS on time.
Lakshmi.Saevel said: » O.o? Assuming Amano at ilevel 119, Kaiton should always be better the Fudo. Both are 1 hit and 60% STR WSC. Kaiten has 3.0 fTP with a 40% damage boost, Fudo has 3.75 fTP (4.0 with moonshade). You would practically the exact same gear for them both (DA earrings over moonshade brutal for Kaiten) so it comes down to the 40% boost on Amano bringing Kaiten above Fudo. If you have a different GKT then your not using Kaiten anyway. The only thing in Fudo's favor is TP overflow in case you MA on your last swing to 100. You'd have to be sitting at about ~125TP for Fudo to start being equal to Kaiten. This is an outrageous claim! You make it sound like Kaiten has a straight 40% buff over Fudo. It does not. Kaiten was given that buff because when abyssea was brought out, Fudo shat all over it and the relic owners complained. Fudo is almost always the superior WS with the amount of TP overflow and TP boosting abilities like Hagakure. Lakshmi.Saevel said: » O.o? Assuming Amano at ilevel 119, Kaiton should always be better the Fudo. Both are 1 hit and 60% STR WSC. Kaiten has 3.0 fTP with a 40% damage boost, Fudo has 3.75 fTP (4.0 with moonshade). You would practically the exact same gear for them both (DA earrings over moonshade brutal for Kaiten) so it comes down to the 40% boost on Amano bringing Kaiten above Fudo. If you have a different GKT then your not using Kaiten anyway. The only thing in Fudo's favor is TP overflow in case you MA on your last swing to 100. You'd have to be sitting at about ~125TP for Fudo to start being equal to Kaiten. Quoting again for outrage and the fact people are listening to it. If Kaiten was 40% better than fudo, it would be hands down the strongest GK weaponskill in the game. It is not. It never has been. Unless there has been some buff I have missed at Lv119? I doubt it though. Lakshmi.Saevel said: » Should be 5~7% or so ahead of Fudo. They have the same WSC, both are one hit, the only difference is the http://fTP. Kaiten is 3.0, Fudo is 3.75. Amano gets a 40% damage boost to Kaiten so you can think of it as a 4.2 fTP WS (not perfect but close enough for comparison). Extra TP doesn't make it scale though while Fudo gets another +0.25 fTP from moonshade earring. This is the bit I agree with but you are playing up the 40% damage boost waaaaay too much and SAMs ability to overflow not enough. As Fudo is 100tp 3.75 200tp 4.75 and 300 tp 5.75. All of these not adding on moonshade. Anything over roughly 145 tp without moonshade and 120tp with moonshade will have Fudo coming out on top. Rough as hell (as I have been on break and not sure if much has changed) but pretty certain that is still correct. Lakshmi.Saevel said: » Carbuncle.Xenhas said: » Lakshmi.Saevel said: » The only thing in Fudo's favor is TP overflow in case you MA on your last swing to 100. You'd have to be sitting at about ~125TP for Fudo to start being equal to Kaiten. It's a bit higher than that, but 120-160 tp values are probably EXTREMELY common with capped haste amongst the majority of players. If you can play 100% perfectly, you'd be doing kaiten more, however, not everyone can, and fudo will be a safer bet to spam with high haste. If your consistently WSing at that high a value then your doing some really wrong. Floored delay is 88 which is about 1.5 seconds per attack round with the WS adding 2 seconds. That comes to 6.5s at the fastest with 8s being easily achievable, then add in MA procs. Sometimes the game lags out and you jump from 60 to 120 TP, but most of the time TP doesn't come faster then you can hit your WS macro. So honestly the only time you should be over 100 is when your last swing proced MA. Sam's can overflow for a hunge amount of reasons. 180 meditates in battle, COR rolls (although regain is usually terrible) SCH buffs, SAM JAs (1hr, hagakure) If you don't always WS at 100tp you are not a terrible SAM. I don't know what is happening to this thread. Ragnarok.Daffel said: » Lakshmi.Saevel said: » O.o? Assuming Amano at ilevel 119, Kaiton should always be better the Fudo. Both are 1 hit and 60% STR WSC. Kaiten has 3.0 fTP with a 40% damage boost, Fudo has 3.75 fTP (4.0 with moonshade). You would practically the exact same gear for them both (DA earrings over moonshade brutal for Kaiten) so it comes down to the 40% boost on Amano bringing Kaiten above Fudo. If you have a different GKT then your not using Kaiten anyway. The only thing in Fudo's favor is TP overflow in case you MA on your last swing to 100. You'd have to be sitting at about ~125TP for Fudo to start being equal to Kaiten. Quoting again for outrage and the fact people are listening to it. If Kaiten was 40% better than fudo, it would be hands down the strongest GK weaponskill in the game. It is not. It never has been. Unless there has been some buff I have missed at Lv119? I doubt it though. pretty sure the boost was intended to bridge the gap between Amano and masa, not fudo and kaiten. Odin.Jassik said: » Ragnarok.Daffel said: » Lakshmi.Saevel said: » O.o? Assuming Amano at ilevel 119, Kaiton should always be better the Fudo. Both are 1 hit and 60% STR WSC. Kaiten has 3.0 fTP with a 40% damage boost, Fudo has 3.75 fTP (4.0 with moonshade). You would practically the exact same gear for them both (DA earrings over moonshade brutal for Kaiten) so it comes down to the 40% boost on Amano bringing Kaiten above Fudo. If you have a different GKT then your not using Kaiten anyway. The only thing in Fudo's favor is TP overflow in case you MA on your last swing to 100. You'd have to be sitting at about ~125TP for Fudo to start being equal to Kaiten. Quoting again for outrage and the fact people are listening to it. If Kaiten was 40% better than fudo, it would be hands down the strongest GK weaponskill in the game. It is not. It never has been. Unless there has been some buff I have missed at Lv119? I doubt it though. pretty sure the boost was intended to bridge the gap between Amano and masa, not fudo and kaiten. Not sure how to approach this comment as I'm not getting drawn into a empy/relic argument. But Tachi: Fudo was one of the main reasons to make Masamune anyway. ODD is nice but amano's hidden effect makes up for it. 20str is nothing to gawk at for a str ws with no att bonus
Odin.Jassik said: » 20str is nothing to gawk at for a str ws with no att bonus Not at Lv85-90 When masa really shone. 10-15. Why did you make multiple posts addressing the same post? Holy **** dude, calm down.
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Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai said: » Why did you make multiple posts addressing the same post? Holy **** dude, calm down. Didn't mean too, just not used to posting loads on this website. Not hyperventilating over it, just tried to show a counter argument. Didn't mean to come across deranged. Odin.Jassik said: » It was also a great weapon, regardless of how easy it was to get. Wow sounds like a butt hurt lv85 masa user. Does not even read the posts before jumping up and down in a fit of nerd rage.
Also how does a 180 tp meditate cause overflow tp? Are you doing it wrong? I think so. At most meditate should give overflow tp of 20 which isnt enough to make fudo better. Sieha1 said: » Wow sounds like a butt hurt lv85 masa user. Does not even read the posts before jumping up and down in a fit of nerd rage. Also how does a 180 tp meditate cause overflow tp? Are you doing it wrong? I think so. At most meditate should give overflow tp of 20which isnt enough to make fudo better. Just another way on top of the 1000 ways already to fill it quicker and possibly push it over 100. |
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