Bushido - The Way Of The Samurai (A Guide) V. 2.0

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By Cerberus.Conagh 2014-10-05 14:52:25  
Sylph.Hyunkyl said: »
Any 115-117 set for the returning SAM? Dusting off mine, Tsuru/Cibi if it helps, got full Otronif+1 with PDT% 3-4 each, 109 AF and relic, just looking for transition build until 119 sets, got Xaddi too...Just need basic TP/Fudo set with some 110-118 and basic 119 alternatives! Thank you :)

Its all relative make 4 hit check
cap haste check

easily doable in 115~117 gear
Rest is all stat vomit / acc / wsd.

Phorcys body is still the best Fudo piece available so that's a definate must have.
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By Asura.Alucardr 2014-10-07 19:33:43  
I see most samurai using Wakido gloves+1. Are they better than otronif+1 with augments fot tp?
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2014-10-07 19:42:50  
hasso enhancement is always better, just like you would have used unkai haidate +2 over calmecac back in the day.

pls add q&a in the first line of the guide addressing this
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-10-07 21:36:10  
Fenrir.Ramzus said: »
hasso enhancement is always better, just like you would have used unkai haidate +2 over calmecac back in the day.

pls add q&a in the first line of the guide addressing this

Not only are they listed in the ALL the optimal sets, they and Unkai Haidate are listed under Hasso and the effect explained. If people ask without reading the OP, how is having another line in the OP they didn't read going to help?
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By gregchiro2013 2014-10-07 21:49:27  
Anyone having issue with Sam Relic?
Zone: Castle Zvahl Baileys
NPC : Switchstix
Relic trade from Stage one Sam Relic Base Weaon "ITO" To make stage 2 relic Hayatemaru. NPC ask for:
Ito
Relic Steel
Siren's Macrame
Tama-Hagane
I trade him these exact items and nothing happens. I tried to trade using 3 different PCs with same result.
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By Enuyasha 2014-10-07 21:51:43  
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Anyone having issue with Sam Relic?
Zone: Castle Zvahl Baileys
NPC : Switchstix
Relic trade from Stage one Sam Relic Base Weaon "ITO" To make stage 2 relic Hayatemaru. NPC ask for:
Ito
Relic Steel
Siren's Macrame
Tama-Hagane
I trade him these exact items and nothing happens. I tried to trade using 3 different PCs with same result.
I think you have to trade the weapon first then the items required.
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By Pantafernando 2014-10-07 21:53:58  
Enuyasha said: »
gregchiro2013 said: »
Anyone having issue with Sam Relic?
Zone: Castle Zvahl Baileys
NPC : Switchstix
Relic trade from Stage one Sam Relic Base Weaon "ITO" To make stage 2 relic Hayatemaru. NPC ask for:
Ito
Relic Steel
Siren's Macrame
Tama-Hagane
I trade him these exact items and nothing happens. I tried to trade using 3 different PCs with same result.
I think you have to trade the weapon first then the items required.

Can trade all together at same time. Just currency is a separated step.

Did you chekc if you have another relic stored?
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By gregchiro2013 2014-10-07 21:59:16  
nope nothing stored this is 3rd relic I am making - 1st two done. Yep traded all together. SE telling me to make mythic? :)
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By Sylph.Oraen 2014-10-07 22:03:27  
SE is trying to save you from wasting money on Amano.
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By gregchiro2013 2014-10-07 22:20:58  
Yea guess ill just do mythic nothing else to do....lol
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2014-10-07 22:49:57  
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Fenrir.Ramzus said: »
hasso enhancement is always better, just like you would have used unkai haidate +2 over calmecac back in the day.

pls add q&a in the first line of the guide addressing this

Not only are they listed in the ALL the optimal sets, they and Unkai Haidate are listed under Hasso and the effect explained. If people ask without reading the OP, how is having another line in the OP they didn't read going to help?

good point, it's as if people come in here without realizing that the current best sets are spoonfed to you
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By gregchiro2013 2014-10-08 01:50:00  
is their min combat skill level to get relic npc to accept stage 1 upgrade items?
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2014-10-08 02:06:29  
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is their min combat skill level to get relic npc to accept stage 1 upgrade items?
No.

Only thing I can think of is make sure you're not accidentally trying to trade Sif's Macrame in place of Siren's Macrame or Tokkyu Tama-Hagane(T. Tama-Hagane) in place of Tama-Hagane.

Since those names are somewhat similar and I've seen similar situations happen before.
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By gregchiro2013 2014-10-08 03:03:21  
LMFAO.....i looked 10000 times....ive got sifs.....
THANK you so much i cant believe I did that...
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-10-08 10:29:42  
Fenrir.Ramzus said: »
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Fenrir.Ramzus said: »
hasso enhancement is always better, just like you would have used unkai haidate +2 over calmecac back in the day.

pls add q&a in the first line of the guide addressing this

Not only are they listed in the ALL the optimal sets, they and Unkai Haidate are listed under Hasso and the effect explained. If people ask without reading the OP, how is having another line in the OP they didn't read going to help?

good point, it's as if people come in here without realizing that the current best sets are spoonfed to you

I added the item descriptions and an excerpt under every job ability a few months ago to more clearly explain what JA's do and what the related gear does for them. I realize we're 40 pages into this thread and a lot of people are taking up SAM because it's so powerful at this point.

For things like Unkai Sune-Ate +2 when using Sengikori, I can see wondering if the SC bonus is worth the massive loss in stats over iLVL feet. But, an ability so central to SAM like Hasso and the availability of the information, there really is no excuse for not reading the OP or even the Hasso page on the Wiki's.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2014-10-08 11:00:30  
Odin.Jassik said: »
Fenrir.Ramzus said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Fenrir.Ramzus said: »
hasso enhancement is always better, just like you would have used unkai haidate +2 over calmecac back in the day.

pls add q&a in the first line of the guide addressing this

Not only are they listed in the ALL the optimal sets, they and Unkai Haidate are listed under Hasso and the effect explained. If people ask without reading the OP, how is having another line in the OP they didn't read going to help?

good point, it's as if people come in here without realizing that the current best sets are spoonfed to you

I added the item descriptions and an excerpt under every job ability a few months ago to more clearly explain what JA's do and what the related gear does for them. I realize we're 40 pages into this thread and a lot of people are taking up SAM because it's so powerful at this point.

For things like Unkai Sune-Ate +2 when using Sengikori, I can see wondering if the SC bonus is worth the massive loss in stats over iLVL feet. But, an ability so central to SAM like Hasso and the availability of the information, there really is no excuse for not reading the OP or even the Hasso page on the Wiki's.

Completely agree Jassik, but for arguement's sake ~ lets explain WHY 2% HASTE IS SO IMPORTANT! In case this is why they don't get it.

So Assuming max buffs:
Magic haste cap 43.75% (448/1024)
Gear Haste (capped) 25% (256/1024)
JA posible: 25% (256/1024) Hasso adds 10%

So~

78.75% ~ So you are essentially 1.25% from cap. The common mis conception is that 1.25% Haste is 1.25% DPS increase. Well this is Categorically wrong.

You have to realise you are attacking at almost 5th of your normal delay which is nearly 5 times your normal attack speed.

So you do 100-78.75 (21.25) then work out what 1.25 / 21.25 is x100 and that's your actual increase in attack speed ~ which is 5.88% increase in attack speed (to 2 Decimal Place) not to mention that hasso provides 10 STR normally (20 is Capped Job Points but assuming you are a new sam as you don't know how hasso works lets go with 10.) These gloves also add +2 STR which isn't a Huge bonus at this point but do add a small increase to fSTR to TP Phase.

Sited here~
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Haste - Increase in Attack Rounds
00% - 00.00%
05% - 05.26%
10% - 11.11% (Marches: Advancing: ~9%, Victory: ~12.5%, with a +2 Instrument)
15% - 17.65% (Haste Spell)
20% - 25.00% (2x Marches ~21.5%)
25% - 33.33% (Cap on Gear or Ability Haste)
30% - 42.86%
35% - 53.85%
40% - 66.67%
45% - 81.82% (Roughly the cap on Haste given by Magic/Songs ~43.75%)
50% - 100.0% (Maximum recast reduction)
55% - 122.2%
60% - 150.0%
65% - 185.7%
70% - 233.3%
75% - 300.0%
80% - 400.0% (Maximum weapon delay reduction in FFXI)

It should be noted Haste does not affect WS's so you should stack STR / WSD / Attack / STP / Save TP / DA (Not in that order as it's individual to each WS)

Also, this link shows that Haste recast reduction is capped at 50% which is incorrect its 20% not including JA and specialised gear (IE Scholar Alacrity Feet)
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-10-08 11:38:04  
unless your cor uses haste samba like they should
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By Siren.Sieha 2014-10-08 11:48:26  
wait I thought haste made the ws animation quicker and let you get tp faster by that so you ws more often?!
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-10-08 12:39:19  
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wait I thought haste made the ws animation quicker and let you get tp faster by that so you ws more often?!

In capped haste situations with standard macros or even spellcast, it was possible to break your x-hit if you didn't get back into TP gear fast enough, that's basically not an issue anymore. I know you were mostly joking.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2014-10-08 12:49:50  
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unless your cor uses haste samba like they should


If you have haste samba then you are delay capped and the only use from those gloves is slow effects being landed on you.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2014-10-08 12:50:14  
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wait I thought haste made the ws animation quicker and let you get tp faster by that so you ws more often?!

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By Heimdel 2014-10-11 19:28:08  
Ok does Wakido Kote +1 give haste on hasso or not? On here it says it does but on bG it says it doesn't
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2014-10-11 19:30:31  
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Ok does Wakido Kote +1 give haste on hasso or not? On here it says it does but on bG it says it doesn't

BG is wrong.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-10-11 20:20:24  
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Ok does Wakido Kote +1 give haste on hasso or not? On here it says it does but on bG it says it doesn't

Not quite, the BG page doesn't say they DON'T give haste, it says nothing. BG is INCOMPLETE, because when the hands were introduced, they were tested and it didn't appear to have any additional haste. It has since been tested and showed that they do give 2% JA haste, the same as Unkai Haidate +2, however the effects don't stack.

BG page for reference.
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By Heimdel 2014-10-11 21:44:45  
Odin.Jassik said: »
Heimdel said: »
Ok does Wakido Kote +1 give haste on hasso or not? On here it says it does but on bG it says it doesn't

Not quite, the BG page doesn't say they DON'T give haste, it says nothing. BG is INCOMPLETE, because when the hands were introduced, they were tested and it didn't appear to have any additional haste. It has since been tested and showed that they do give 2% JA haste, the same as Unkai Haidate +2, however the effects don't stack.

BG page for reference.

Look at the 109 one , it specifically says does not give haste.
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2014-10-11 21:48:09  
I'm the one that did the testing on both. I had Byrth help me with the testing method and formula. NQ indeed did not appear to grant JA haste and they were assumed to be broken, however Wakido Kote +1 does give 2% JA haste.
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By FaeQueenCory 2014-10-11 22:48:33  
Llewelyn, are the 109 kote still borked?
And do they really not stack with AF3+2 pants??? That's upsetting... I had some plans with those pants and gloves once the empy sets get reforged.
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2014-10-11 22:51:12  
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Llewelyn, are the 109 kote still borked?
No clue. That'd require me doing AF quests and making 109 version again. I'll pass on that. lol

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And do they really not stack with AF3+2 pants???
Correct.
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By FaeQueenCory 2014-10-12 12:53:28  
Upsetting.... Though given the Fudo backlash... I doubt SE would allow them to work together in the iLv version...
But one can hope against reason.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-10-12 12:56:24  
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Upsetting.... Though given the Fudo backlash... I doubt SE would allow them to work together in the iLv version...
But one can hope against reason.

Well, we don't know for sure that there will be iLVL empy gear, but more importantly, SAM doesn't need the extra JA haste to cap, and unless there is a piece of gear introduced that has massive amounts of multi-attack or STP (or both) but no haste, I can't see being able to take advantage of the extra haste.
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