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America's Tax Burden to Rise
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-05-04 00:30:07
Last I checked, I lived in reality.
Tell us again who the OWS folks were protesting against.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-05-04 00:31:21
Hold up guys, let me get the popcorn out.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-04 00:32:05
You wouldn't know reality if it slapped you in the face. Said the person who knows and has reality backing him up that the rich is waging warfare against the poor. ftfy
By Jetackuu 2014-05-04 00:32:13
Hold up guys, let me get the popcorn out. I want some, extra butter.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-05-04 00:34:26
Hush, no one tell him the answer is actually in the name)
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-04 00:34:27
You obviously withheld information to begin with, with the intent of jumping on people when people naturally assumed the most common scenario. A) I did not withhold anything, people automatically jumped to the conclusion that "wages = gross income." I can't help it that people are so narrow minded to think that that is all a person can make in their lifetimes.
B) Of course I'm not going to tell you my personal information. Would you like me to ask you what your Social Security number is? Or how much you made last year? Or anything I don't think you have the right to know?
What I did was to point out that I pay more than what Jet gave in his own example, my clients also pay more than what Jet gave in his own example, and nobody is waging class warfare with him, he is waging his own little crusade because of his limitation of how the world works.
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By Jetackuu 2014-05-04 00:36:06
You didn't, as I specifically states salary, not to mention I'm calling severe *** on your total number anyway.
You're right on one part, nobody is waging a class war on specifically me, they're waging it against the middle and lower class, and winning.
Let me give this advice though: bad things happen to leaders who starve their people.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-04 00:36:32
Tell us again who the OWS folks were protesting against. Tell me again who fought back against them. Oh wait, nobody did.
You wouldn't know reality if it slapped you in the face. Said the person who knows and has reality backing him up that the rich is waging warfare against the poor. ftfy I asked for your "backing" and you have yet to provide it to us.
But then again, it takes time for you to come up with your own little conspiracy. Let me ask you this: Are you really Ihina, or could you both just be that deluded?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-04 00:38:17
You didn't, as I specifically states salary, not to mention I'm calling severe *** on your total number anyway.
You're right on one part, nobody is waging a class war on specifically me, they're waging it against the middle and lower class, and winning.
Let me give this advice though: bad things happen to leaders who starve their people. I don't care if you believe in my self-reported percentage or not, I was making a point that nobody is waging this war except for you.
Hence why I keep calling this a "crusade"
By Jetackuu 2014-05-04 00:38:50
There's no "conspiracy" only the truth and facts. I told you already that the numbers over the past half a decade speak for themselves.
You're absolutely and obviously delusional if you think nobody fought against OWS.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-04 00:39:34
You didn't, as I specifically states salary, not to mention I'm calling severe *** on your total number anyway.
You're right on one part, nobody is waging a class war on specifically me, they're waging it against the middle and lower class, and winning.
Let me give this advice though: bad things happen to leaders who starve their people. I don't care if you believe in my self-reported percentage or not, I was making a point that nobody is waging this war except for you. Only fighting back son, only fighting back.
Your point is nullified as it's based in utter ***.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-05-04 00:40:56
You obviously withheld information to begin with, with the intent of jumping on people when people naturally assumed the most common scenario. A) I did not withhold anything, people automatically jumped to the conclusion that "wages = gross income." I can't help it that people are so narrow minded to think that that is all a person can make in their lifetimes.
B) Of course I'm not going to tell you my personal information. Would you like me to ask you what your Social Security number is? Or how much you made last year? Or anything I don't think you have the right to know?
What I did was to point out that I pay more than what Jet gave in his own example, my clients also pay more than what Jet gave in his own example, and nobody is waging class warfare with him, he is waging his own little crusade because of his limitation of how the world works.
Pretty sure there would have been no confusion if they revealed your income from investments from the start instead of baiting people like you did. Saying you pay 73% of your wages in taxes is a pretty absurd and provocative statement without accompanying context and we all know it since the vast majority of people don't earn (much) money through investments.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-04 00:41:13
There's no "conspiracy" only the truth and facts. I told you already that the numbers over the past half a decade speak for themselves. AKA you have nothing.
You're absolutely and obviously delusional if you think nobody fought against OWS. So tell us all this, o wise one, what legal actions was taken against OWS besides the obvious destruction of property and criminal trespassing charges, along with unorderly conduct, rape, and theft of property charges?
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By Jetackuu 2014-05-04 00:43:04
AKA I have everything.
A bunch of *** charges and outright offense and attacking coverage by the media outlets, not to mention abuse and illegal stopping of protests by the militant police which are puppets of your masters.
Yeah...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-04 00:43:51
You obviously withheld information to begin with, with the intent of jumping on people when people naturally assumed the most common scenario. A) I did not withhold anything, people automatically jumped to the conclusion that "wages = gross income." I can't help it that people are so narrow minded to think that that is all a person can make in their lifetimes.
B) Of course I'm not going to tell you my personal information. Would you like me to ask you what your Social Security number is? Or how much you made last year? Or anything I don't think you have the right to know?
What I did was to point out that I pay more than what Jet gave in his own example, my clients also pay more than what Jet gave in his own example, and nobody is waging class warfare with him, he is waging his own little crusade because of his limitation of how the world works.
Pretty sure there would have been no confusion if they revealed your income from investments from the start instead of baiting people like you did. Saying you pay 73% of your wages in taxes is a pretty absurd and provocative statement without accompanying context and we all know it since the vast majority of people don't earn (much) money through investments. In other words, you are embarrassed from jumping the gun and assuming that I meant all income where I clearly stated "wages" to reflect Jet's own example, and you are trying to safe face by coming up with this lame *** excuse as your defense.
I think we can all clearly see your intent.
But keep arguing about it until you are blue in the face. It just shows how narrow minded you are (well, besides all of your conspiracy theories and such).
or did I buy into the propaganda again?
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-05-04 00:44:19
Tell me again who fought back against them. Oh wait, nobody did.
1) You didn't answer the question.
2) Bloomberg, wall street, all of conservative media from fox news to Breitbart, etc. In other words, the people that benefited from the system the way it is.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-04 00:45:56
AKA I have everything.
A bunch of *** charges and outright offense and attacking coverage by the media outlets, not to mention abuse and illegal stopping of protests by the militant police which are puppets of your masters.
Yeah... For somebody who claims that they have everything, you certainly show nothing for it.
This is, what, the fourth time I asked you to produce your evidence? I think it is very clear to everyone that you have nothing to show, will have nothing to show (besides weak conspiracy theories) and will continue to try to talk out of your *** until you can find a way out of this mess you are in.
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By Jetackuu 2014-05-04 00:46:07
Yet your own number was a lie in response to my statement. I explicitly said federal (federal income was implied, but not going to totally bust your balls on that), not a combination of your taxes.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-05-04 00:46:21
In other words, you are embarrassed from jumping the gun and assuming that I meant all income where I clearly stated "wages" to reflect Jet's own example, and you are trying to safe face by coming up with this lame *** excuse as your defense.
I think we can all clearly see your intent.
Pretty sure I didn't jump any guns since I wasn't even part of that discussion.
Again, the dumbest person on this forum.
Tell us, Kingnobody, who OWS were protesting against.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-05-04 00:48:03
This is kinda like Amanda Bynes going out on Twitter and calling a bunch of other celebrities ugly.
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By Jetackuu 2014-05-04 00:48:07
AKA I have everything.
A bunch of *** charges and outright offense and attacking coverage by the media outlets, not to mention abuse and illegal stopping of protests by the militant police which are puppets of your masters.
Yeah... For somebody who claims that they have everything, you certainly show nothing for it.
This is, what, the fourth time I asked you to produce your evidence? I think it is very clear to everyone that you have nothing to show, will have nothing to show (besides weak conspiracy theories) and will continue to try to talk out of your *** until you can find a way out of this mess you are in.
I don't need to, it's common knowledge. There's no conspiracy theory, I'm not one to subscribe to those, but you'll keep calling it as such to fuel your self defeating class war for your masters.
Go puppet go!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-04 00:48:40
Pretty sure I didn't jump any guns since I wasn't even part of that discussion.
Again, the dumbest person on this forum. I quoted Jet's argument. You have no excuse to use that defense based on the fact that I was replying directly to Jet using his own example, and that it was clear that I was replying directly and only to Jet using his own words, written for everyone to see.
It is not my fault reading comprehension is low for you.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-04 00:48:40
This is kinda like Amanda Bynes going out on Twitter and calling a bunch of other celebrities ugly.
That *** is crazy.
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By Jetackuu 2014-05-04 00:49:17
Pretty sure I didn't jump any guns since I wasn't even part of that discussion.
Again, the dumbest person on this forum. I quoted Jet's argument. You have no excuse to use that defense based on the fact that I was replying directly to Jet using his own example, and that it was clear that I was replying directly and only to Jet using his own words, written for everyone to see.
It is not my fault reading comprehension is low for you. you weren't, and outright have lied about it during and since.
I'm going to find a snack (I'm out of popcorn... /sadface) and go to bed, keep it classy.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-04 00:50:34
Yet your own number was a lie in response to my statement. I explicitly said federal (federal income was implied, but not going to totally bust your balls on that), not a combination of your taxes. And I replied total taxes. You did not specify federal only. I even gave a few examples of the taxes I used to calculate my percentage.
But keep backpedaling.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-05-04 00:51:18
I have to quickly screenshot this thread for future evidence before someone begs for it to be deleted...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-04 00:51:48
you weren't, and outright have lied about it during and since. Do you have proof that I lied, or is it in your assumptions about class warfare?
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By Jetackuu 2014-05-04 00:51:55
Yet your own number was a lie in response to my statement. I explicitly said federal (federal income was implied, but not going to totally bust your balls on that), not a combination of your taxes. And I replied total taxes. You did not specify federal only. I even gave a few examples of the taxes I used to calculate my percentage.
But keep backpedaling.
Yeah, nobody that comes to this site pays that much in taxes just in Federal. Nor do I feel bad for those who do, as they're the ones helping wage the war. I do, I paid just under 73% of my wages in taxes last year. And you know I do. and now I'm going to bed...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-05-04 00:52:27
I have to quickly screenshot this thread for future evidence before someone begs for it to be deleted...
Better act quick. I don't see this one lasting long.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-05-04 00:53:15
I quoted Jet's argument. You have no excuse to use that defense based on the fact that I was replying directly to Jet using his own example, and that it was clear that I was replying directly and only to Jet using his own words, written for everyone to see.
It is not my fault reading comprehension is low for you.
Well you did accuse me of 'jumping the gun' and it was pretty clear that I wasn't even part of that discussion.
You said X, X is not true.
If there's one thing I know about conservative, I know that they love to justify their own reality. You can attempt to justify it however you like, but it's pretty clear that your accusation is not true.
Again, you accused me or something, and that something is not true. It's pretty simple. Adding on an internet cliche at the end doesn't really help your case.
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Who like taxes? Not the people who pay them, is always the quick answer. However a new article from CNN had this to say:
Quote: The average American pays more in tax and social security than Canadians, Australians, the Japanese and the British.
But when you compare the American tax burden to other developed nations, the numbers don't look so bad.
New data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development compared tax rates and social security deductions on average incomes in 34 countries.
The data shows that Belgians, Germans and Danes have the highest tax burdens, while South Koreans, Mexicans and Chileans have the lowest. Americans are about in the middle. Source
Further investigation into the report released from the OECD had this to say:
Quote: Personal income tax has risen in 25 out of 34 OECD countries over the past three years, as countries reduce the value of tax-free allowances and tax credits and subject higher proportions of earnings to tax, according to new data in the annual Taxing Wages publication.
The increases in tax burdens on labour income in 2013 were largest in Portugal (due to higher statutory rates), the Slovak Republic (due to higher employer social security contributions) and the United States (due to expiry of previous reductions in employee social security contributions).
The average tax burden on employment incomes across the OECD increased by 0.2 of a percentage point in 2013, to 35.9 percent, according to the report. It increased in 21 out of 34 countries, fell in 12, and remained unchanged in one.
The 2013 rise follows a substantial increase in 2011 and a smaller one in 2012. Since 2010, the tax burden has increased in 21 OECD countries and fallen in 9, partially reversing the reductions seen between 2007 and 2010.
The new findings on income tax burdens are among the highlights of Taxing Wages 2014, which provides unique cross-country comparative data on income tax paid by employees as well as the associated social security contributions made by employees and employers; both are key factors when individuals consider their employment options and businesses make hiring decisions. Source
With the world so intertwined economically today not paying taxes simply isn't a solution. But to be fair America's working class has had it pretty good when compared to other countries in the OECD. The joy ride may soon be over.
Quote: While some might want to complain and even go as far as saying this will hurt the working class, across the board taxes on wages are not only on the rise, they will continue rise as well this year. Seemingly harmful, this will allow business to perhaps again be flexible to hire more labor as the income once again attempts to even disburse itself throughout the masses.
Cheer up, when everyone is taxed we all wind up winner in the end. It’s the fight against taxes that will ultimately harm you. Source
Is there a solution to the increase in wage taxes for the working class? Or is this the solution we've been waiting for? Can higher taxes on labor once again bring prosperity to America's middle class?
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