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Random Politics & Religion #00
By Ramyrez 2015-11-24 12:49:39
I rather send them to space so the Spaghetti Monster can take care of them, Japanese Schoolgirl style.
If we send them to space we risk letting them represent our species to aliens.
No, I think Cthulhu already knows what we're about and can have them as a light snack before going back to sleep.
Tangentially related due to paging.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-11-24 12:54:04
And that still justified the deaths of the two pilots?
Don't you think that escorting said airplanes out of Turkey's airspace would have been a more justified response?
Turkey had every right to shoot down a military plane actively engaging in military actions and being unresponsive to communications.
They have the option of escorting out an invading aircraft. They also have the option of shooting it down, something Turkey has done on previous occassions with other countries aircrafts.
What does your country tell Russia when they fly over their airspace?
Question is, are countries going to start shooting down Russian jets with no fear of retaliation or start escorting said jets out of their airspace? I'm sure if countries escort said jets out of the airspace, Russia would stop flying over said airspace (as it interferes with their operations). Russia has been escorted out of Turkey (and other countries airspace) multiple times. That has not stopped them from violating sovereignty again and again.
Turkey has a zone with a country that is in the middle of a war. They have been defending their country for a few years now.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-11-24 12:58:21
Lots of it comes down to perceptions in many, many facets and applications of the word. "Media exposure" is another phrase that comes to mind. It has everything to do with media exposure, and that's the main problem, isn't it?
MSM has no concern about reporting the facts/truth or public interest, all they care about is advertising revenue. And it's all thanks to this new 24-hr news reporting cycle we have in the previous decade or so. Capitalism says hi?
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By Siren.Akson 2015-11-24 13:20:52
Correct me if I'm wrong but.... If I entice you to come out and debate me on a subject. Tempers rise and you run away and then we turn and chase after you and physically attack you. Do you have the right to defend yourself from aggressive behavior or am I now allowed to victimize you for coming to debate me in the 1st place? Just wondering....
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-11-24 13:22:08
Wow, 2 liberals on this website celebrating death and possible war between Turkey and Russia.
I thought the Republicans were supposed to be the warmongers here. While I hold many views in common with liberals I am NOT a liberal.
"Sure the liberals are behind us. Far behind us."
Joke already made.
It's the abbreviation of "Black Lives Matter." I'm sure you heard of it, it's been all over the news lately. It wasn't a joke, I didn't know it was an acronym for that. I didn't mean to offend you.
The MSM have been using BLM as Black Lives Matter for a good while now. I thought you would have read it somewhere by now. Shea, please translate "black lives mater" into Italian for King.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-11-24 13:27:05
Le vite dei neri importano.
But no one calls them black actually as that's sort of a racist epitome, normally the term used in this language is "persone di colore" which translates as coloured people.
By Jetackuu 2015-11-24 13:33:05
Le vite dei neri importano.
But no one calls them black actually as that's sort of a racist epitome, normally the term used in this language is "persone di colore" which translates as coloured people.
The irony is that you don't call people "colored" here anymore, as it's "racist."
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-11-24 13:34:41
Eh, it's an example that goes to show that when you learn a language you need to learn the culture along with it too.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-11-24 13:44:04
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-11-24 13:47:01
Yeah, the US consulate has emailed those abroad twice in the last week about an increased terror alert.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-11-24 13:59:24
Reports of hostages taken at Belgium/France border. Apparently this time it's burglars and not terrorists. They wanted to rob this banker but it went bad.
By Ramyrez 2015-11-24 14:08:52
Reports of hostages taken at Belgium/France border. Apparently this time it's burglars and not terrorists. They wanted to rob this banker but it went bad.
Silly robbers are doing it all wrong. If you want to rob people you become a banker.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-11-24 14:09:34
Yeah, the US consulate has emailed those abroad twice in the last week about an increased terror alert.
did you send them back a "no ***sherlock" reply?
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By Ramyrez 2015-11-24 14:13:01
Yeah, the US consulate has emailed those abroad twice in the last week about an increased terror alert. 
Because someone had to.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-11-24 14:21:57
Lots of it comes down to perceptions in many, many facets and applications of the word. "Media exposure" is another phrase that comes to mind. It has everything to do with media exposure, and that's the main problem, isn't it?
MSM has no concern about reporting the facts/truth or public interest, all they care about is advertising revenue. And it's all thanks to this new 24-hr news reporting cycle we have in the previous decade or so. Capitalism says hi? When I was a kid, back in the neolithic era of black and white TV, news was considered a public service and was presented as documentary.
Its when we switched to news as entertainment that capitalism started to rule, and ratings of and advertising on news shows became the driving motivators, and that came well before the interweb driven 24 hour news cycle.
Personally I have great hope for the news as comedy model. I also hope that John Steward runs for president, partially fulfilling a Phillip K. *** Sci-Fi premise.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-11-24 14:22:33
When I was a kid, back in the neolithic era of black and white TV, news was considered a public service and was presented as documentary.
This is how it is here and it's quite nice.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-11-24 14:25:31
Reports of hostages taken at Belgium/France border. Apparently this time it's burglars and not terrorists. They wanted to rob this banker but it went bad. Silly robbers are doing it all wrong. If you want to rob people you become a banker. "As through this life you wander you'll meet lots of funny men,
"Some will rob you with a six gun and some with a fountain pen."
Woody Guthrie - Pretty Boy Floyd.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-11-24 14:30:39
http://www.svtplay.se/video/4909906/rapport/rapport-1814
Here's an example from SVT Rapport
They share what information is available, what is unconfirmed etc and then move on to the next part.
We also have Aftonbladet which is the evening newspaper here and on their website they have a live feed for big stories. They also have a live chat feed where you can ask questions and where they update you with new information as it's made available and they make clear what is unconfirmed and also list the sources. It also has a Twitter thing where they link tweets from other news agencies if it's relevant.
SVT is the state owned news though so their news is more in the form of Rapport or Aktuellt every few hours (in the format in the link). They have live news but it's not as good (since live is kinda eh in general)
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-11-24 14:44:54
Le vite dei neri importano.
But no one calls them black actually as that's sort of a racist epitome, normally the term used in this language is "persone di colore" which translates as coloured people.
The irony is that you don't call people "colored" here anymore, as it's "racist."
And the irony or race baiting in that is the largest black civil rights organization in America is the NAACP or the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
By Ramyrez 2015-11-24 14:45:42
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »And the irony or race baiting in that is the largest black civil rights organization in America is the NAACP or the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
I have always found that particular fact a bit of an oddity.
Their name is an an anachronism in and of itself. And not necessarily just because of that one word.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-24 14:55:22
It's an old term, but 'colored' is not necessarily racially-charged.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-11-24 14:59:29
If a Republican said "colored" the fake outrage that would ensue would be legendary.
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By Ramyrez 2015-11-24 14:59:47
Eh. Like I said. Maybe not out of context, but I think a lot of people view it that way, right or wrong.
And also as stated, it's not just that one word that makes the NAACP seem antiquated and somewhat problematic at times.
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By Odin.Slore 2015-11-24 15:19:01
I think a lot of it is people trying to milk the system. One thing goes wrong for me and I will blame everyone else mentality. This country is quickly turning to whine session to get what they want. Everyone is offended by everything, no one can talk to anyone anymore for fear of saying something someone else deems hurtful. The PC click is taking over and as much as people do not want to hear it liberals and the left are creating this monster and feeding it. Minority thug gets shot resisting arrest and the president weighs in on it but 30 cops get killed and he does not have a word to say. When I was in the military we never had this pc ***. Everyone was brothers regardless of race or anything else. Maybe make military service mandatory for all able bodied citizens like other countries do. No service no right to vote etc.
Extremes on both sides of the political fence are controlling things these days which is certainly a major contributing factor.
Mandatory military service is problematic, but given you're suggesting it I'm almost positive you're blind -- willfully or otherwise -- to the problems inherent within that mindset or the juxtaposed ideologies involved. He is a follower, not a leader, so don't blame him for not understanding that boot camp is not for everyone.
Even if I had the body for it, boot camp wouldn't be good for me because I question orders given to me, not blindly follow them. I would have been kicked out of the Army before I finished boot camp.
Until you have served you could not understand. It is about being a leader and putting more that just yourself above all else. To protect friends, family, neighbors and complete strangers. Let alone the character it builds that this society so needs, now more than ever. Vets understand, others do not.
By Jassik 2015-11-24 15:21:59
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »If a Republican said "colored" the fake outrage that would ensue would be legendary.
If a Democrat said it, it would be too. I get the feeling they haven't changed the name just because it would lend more power to the words that had been used to denigrate.
By Ramyrez 2015-11-24 15:23:53
Until you have served you could not understand.
First off, just don't. It's simply incorrect.
It is about being a leader and putting more that just yourself above all else. To protect friends, family, neighbors and complete strangers. Let alone the character it builds that this society so needs, now more than ever. Vets understand, others do not.
You have to understand. We're not putting down people who have been in the military.
We're saying the military is not and should not be for everyone.
Some people are not wired to be there at all and trying to force them there would have fairly horrific results.
Mandatory military service may work more effectively in other cultures with different societal norms and different military requirements and demands.
But in the U.S. Armed Forces, forcing everyone to enlist would go very, very poorly.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2015-11-24 15:40:33
While I don't get the purpose of these white union groups other than to counter the BLM movement (and their nuking ability...just kidding >.>), you can't really decry "racism" on these groups, because they have every right to create a white union group as black union groups have a right to be created also.
While they do have every right to create the group in the grand scheme -- regardless of whether or not it exists just to be a bunch of contrarians -- let's not forget that the university is an institution with the right to regulate its associations and affiliations, and if they deem it to be some sort of racist group and strike it down, that's (I'm pretty sure?) well within their rights?
Unless I'm misreading the situation -- which is possible as I'm tired of giving racists free press, so I generally only give some of this stuff a cursory glance -- basically it boils down to: they have a right to create a misguided "white rights" group? Yes. The university has a right to deny them association with the university? Also yes. I agree with you that these white rights groups are basically "poking a bull in the eye with a stick" situation. But if the university denies "white rights" groups from existence but allows "black rights" groups to continue to thrive, doesn't that show hypocrisy at the very least (also institutionalized racism)?
I would love to hear people defend why it should be ok for BLM-type groups to exist but not the opposite (or everyone's lives matter-type groups). Twenty years ago when I attended Southeast Missouri State (maybe its must Missouri?), there was a movement by the black students to get their own special homecoming. Something something about them not feeling like they were really part of the school so they should be allowed to have their own special functions that only black students could attend. Felt like such a double standard when I asked one of them if they would support functions for the Japanese students only, or the Swedish students only (had a lot of exchange students on campus) only to be told it was totally different and they should go to the same activities as everybody else.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-11-25 02:46:00
Let me clarify. It's not that people want to change their religion, but rather change its control over them. For example Iran comes to mind, where the younger generations are desperately hoping for a change, which is not to stop being muslim, but to stop being oppressed by a theocracy. Hell, you could call half of the ME a theocracy because of how power is applied.
In the modern world learning about places where people are free is only a click away, which spreads the culture of it being possible. Obviously those holding power and those clinging to traditions do not want this and try (violent)repression. Islamic countries could be free, but they're currently facing this power struggle. Just like in the west radical christianity is declining increasing the quality of life of the regions where it stuck. Islam is going through the same, but because the religion is still to this day a very strong tool of power in the islamic countries it takes the shape of medieval christianity.
Islam might be timeless, but even then there are many degrees of zeal. You see the family where the father beats the daughter if she goes outside on her own and the one where she can do whatever the *** she wants as long as the basic tennants are respected(those 4 or 5 rules, I forgot how many they are - visit Mecca at least once, do ramadan, etc). Religion is used at its roots to influence local cultures, and when it's the culture you want to change(for example more liberties for women)it becomes an affront to the religion too for those holding tighter fanatism. I generally agree (despite me holding some assumptions that are in contrast with yours), so let's leave it at that.
Islam, like all religions, most definitely hold a society back. That's where the contention lies, and what debates revolve around. It's the reason I thought this article was relevant.
This same thing will happen to Islam, it's only a matter of time before a new popular branch is created without the requirement for central interpretation. There are certainly people who go on about interpreting the religion on their own, but that's not without its potential problems. The product could be anything from far left to far right (aka ISIS). In addition, the practice of "personal interpretation" without "meeting prerequisites" (knowledge of Arabic and Sunna, etc) as a frame of reference is kinda in direct clash with what the Quran teaches (it teaches that you can't blindly follow religious leaders, but you can't also interpret the religion based on your whims). It becomes a "you can't have your cake and eat it" sort of situation. That's why I hold the opinion that reform is best achieved by "popular scholars".
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