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Random Politics & Religion #00
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-03-06 14:49:38
I'm not talking about the books, how many times do I have to mention I haven't read them? Just general analysis of dominant relationships.
By Bloodrose 2015-03-06 14:52:05
Who said you had to read the books?
The dynamics of a D/s relationship is far more intimate and nurturing than regular vanilla relationships, even if the love for your partner is the same.
Also, a general analysis of a Dom/sub relationship can't be adequately explained, and needs to be expanded on, using current or understandable examples.
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-03-06 14:53:42
I have understanding of it. And I don't get why you try to explain it to me. Like I said I was just making general observations.
Talking of the books with me is irrelevant because I cannot know whether anything you claim about it is agreeable or not.
By Ramyrez 2015-03-06 14:54:08
Terribly written is an opinion.
If I say that Charles Dickens work is terrible, that's an opinion about content.
To say 50 Shades (and Twilight, 50 Shades' muse) is terrible, that's a fact. It's very poorly written and whoever edited it should be ashamed.
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-06 14:58:14
Here's what I think you want to say: stopped reading there. You're saying you know more about my points than I do. A ludicrous proposition. You struggle to even understand it when I carefully explained it and would rather think of me as an idiot? Fine. But don't expect me to engage your idiocy further.
"That wasn't my point"
"Yes it was and I don't care what you say your point was it's the point I pulled out of my ***!"
Grow up please. I'm saying you seem to have a hard time expressing any kind of thought with any amount of clarity and bounce around like a ball in a steel cage.
It might make sense to you in your own head...
I think you just lack reading comprehension and can't stand being wrong after making an *** of yourself. You made one giant leap of an assumption. And surprise. It was wrong. This is rich coming from a person that just backpedalled on most of his responses in the last page or two lol.
This is rich coming from a person who extrapolates points by giant assumptions then claims someone is backpedaling on points that they never made. Oh no, he clarified his opinion and I can't read what ever shall I do. I know, I'll claim I know what he was actually saying isn't what he is actually saying that will certainly make me out to be intelligent. extrapolates points by giant assumptions? I thought I did it by juxtaposing sentances? which is it man?!?!
It's not just with me... you've had to re explain pretty much everything you've posted on this topic as you're commenting on things you seem to know next to nothing about and also seem to have trouble getting a clear viewpoint out there. You have to "clarify your opinion" quite a lot.
Except I didn't do that at all lol. Had you read what followed you would have seen that lol. Continue on though this is pretty amusing lol.
By Bloodrose 2015-03-06 15:04:45
No, it's not a romance novel, nor was it initially marketed as one.
It's not some story about star crossed lovers finally finding happiness, or any other kind of sappy romance.
Spelling, sentence structure, prose, over-use of words or phrases, run on sentences, alliteration, allusion, and so forth, as well as use of these writing tools are all used to objectively determine whether a book is well written or voiced. Then you get into character development, plot development, Protagonist, Antagonist. The list is quite large.
It's marketed as a "fantasy/fiction" novel. Every bookstore I go to has their "Romance" section - surprise, surprise, 50 Shades is decidedly missing. However, go into the Fiction/Fantasy isle, and there it is, on it's own set of shelves.
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-06 15:10:22
extrapolates points by giant assumptions? I thought I did it by juxtaposing sentances? which is it man?!?!
It's not just with me... you've had to re explain pretty much everything you've posted on this topic as you're commenting on things you seem to know next to nothing about and also seem to have trouble getting a clear viewpoint out there. You have to "clarify your opinion" quite a lot.
Except I didn't do that at all lol. Had you read what followed you would have seen that lol. Continue on though this is pretty amusing lol.
Now you're equating two different points as the same point and expressing confusion. Trust me quit while you're ahead.
The other thing you're seeing is called debate and exploring others opinions and stances. You should look it up sometime. It beats this appeal to emotion bullcrap you keep spitting out like a 3 year old with hurt feelings on a playground without a shred of any stance or point to back it up. lol... no sense of humor on this one.
I wouldn't really call anything you've put up as debate but ok... so as long as you're ok with the content it's considered debate or exploring opinions or stances but somehow you've labeled my posts as appealing to emotion and not worthwhile?
By the way what have I posted thats an appeal to emotion?
By Bloodrose 2015-03-06 15:16:11
I just looked on the Amazon page and it won an award for the Romance category. I can't trust bookstores categorization. Hell they used to put the anime next to porn and they still lump sci/fi and fantasy into the same section most of them.
Romance doesn't have only one way it happens. Most of the trash "dime novels" as they used to be called were anything but star crossed lovers. It's erotica.
As for run on sentences try looking up some old old literature that was considered good writing then. Even a lot of modern authors which have had great success use run on sentences. As for voice, there is an excellent book called "The Rhetoric of Fiction." It's a great book imo. In it, it shows how voice changed over the years. Stories used to be told, now most of them are shown. A lot of teachers will say show don't tell. He picks apart this argument through examples and explains how really you can fit your voice to the purpose of the story and that old stories are still effective and can be quite good even though they were told rather than shown. So voice is also subjective. pretty much all of it but grammar is subjective and even then sometimes experts disagree on proper usage.
In some cases, run on sentences end up being used as plot devices, and are used to great effect - remember, it's how these writing tools are used, and to what effect they are used, that can turn things for the reader, and suck them into the written world, either as observers, or as the character the story is being told from.
The point being made, is that *use of voice* (either shown, written, or told) is the objective stance taken. Thankfully, my Grade 11 and 12 English teachers were very adamant in teaching and nurturing every single student. We had to critically analyze using writing tools (even had a 20 page work sheet on writing tools, and how to use them effectively) which also included the old, the present, and developing our own individual methods, but would still be objectively marked on essays, stories, and other written and visual works by those same standards.
I have more trust in bookstore categories (because they are supposed to go by publication standards) where as awards are given out with far less scrutiny, with an increasing rate of awards going to people who sell more books, rather than meeting the necessary qualifications for said awards.
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-06 15:16:23
By the way what have I posted thats an appeal to emotion? lol... no sense of humor on this one.
I'm sorry but this conversation really isn't worth my time. Probably because you're talking out of your *** and have just realized you have nothing to back up your statements lol...
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-06 15:22:59
By the way what have I posted thats an appeal to emotion? lol... no sense of humor on this one.
I'm sorry but this conversation really isn't worth my time. Probably because you're talking out of your *** and have just realized you have nothing to back up your statements lol...
Oh look another appeal to emotion, specifically appeal to ridicule. That's all you've supplied for 2 pages now. Give it a rest man go for a walk or something. I thought this conversation wasn't worth your time? you sure do like to keep replying though :)
By fonewear 2015-03-06 16:14:12
Can we get back to the babies with *** please !
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-03-06 16:15:04
Magical baby glue. Now with *** included.
this sounds all kinds of wrong
By fonewear 2015-03-06 16:16:19
Magical baby glue. Now with *** included.
this sounds all kinds of wrong
Finally some substance in the thread.
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By fonewear 2015-03-06 16:17:40
I was going to search babies with *** but I'm pretty sure Chris Hansen would appear at my house.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-03-06 16:56:04
Look, I'm not trying to call into question your apparent vast knowledge of everything, but chances are slim that an 11-year-old has the wherewithal to understand the level of satire you're suggesting, as it indicates he's read and understands the books and the nuances of satire, and then put all of those things together to form this notion. It's a major Hollywood film. He doesn't need to have touched the books nor understand the full context to know that it is a.) a popular phenomenon and b.) *** stupid. If he's been allowed anywhere near the internet (you know, the thing that didn't really exist when you and I were 11), he's seen more than his fair share of Buzzfeed links making fun of this stuff and may have even read an article or two explaining why it's garbage.
I remember when Eyes Wide Shut came out. My friends' moms took the two of us to the theater to watch something slightly more appropriate for teenage boys whilst they went to see it. I mocked them mercilessly for wanting see a big orgy. It was a couple years later that I actually sat down and watched the film to find out that it's a boring, pretentious bit of nonsense that happens to include a lot of nekkid people.
By Bloodrose 2015-03-06 16:57:29
Look, I'm not trying to call into question your apparent vast knowledge of everything, but chances are slim that an 11-year-old has the wherewithal to understand the level of satire you're suggesting, as it indicates he's read and understands the books and the nuances of satire, and then put all of those things together to form this notion. It's a major Hollywood film. He doesn't need to have touched the books nor understand the full context to know that it is a.) a popular phenomenon and b.) *** stupid. If he's been allowed anywhere near the internet (you know, the thing that didn't really exist when you and I were 11), he's seen more than his fair share of Buzzfeed links making fun of this stuff and may have even read an article or two explaining why it's garbage.
I remember when Eyes Wide Shut came out. My friends' moms took the two of us to the theater to watch something slightly more appropriate for teenage boys whilst they went to see it. I mocked them mercilessly for wanting see a big orgy. It was a couple years later that I actually sat down and watched the film to find out that it's a boring, pretentious bit of nonsense that happens to include a lot of nekkid people. Sounds like every bad porno ever made.
By fonewear 2015-03-06 17:04:50
I didn't know 11 year old boys were well versed in sexual fetishes. *I'm getting old*
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-06 22:31:07
Babies with ***...
Pass.
Let me know when the politics and/or religion starts up again.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-06 22:39:00
Here we go, a nice a little story about race.
Quote: President Barack Obama condemned the Missouri city of Ferguson on Friday for "oppressive and abusive" actions against African-Americans that were laid bare in a U.S. Justice Department report accusing police and court officials of racial bias.
The president's comments came as U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said on Friday dismantling the city's police department was a possibility.
"We are prepared to use all the power that we have... to ensure that the situation changes there," Holder said. "That means everything from working with them to coming up with an entirely new structure."
Ferguson Mayor James Knowles said three city workers who demonstrated "egregious racial bias" are no longer employed by the city, and said Ferguson officials are pursuing other reforms to try to reach a settlement with the Justice Department.
City spokesman Jeff Small said police officers Rick Henke and William Mudd resigned on Thursday and Ferguson's top court clerk, Mary Ann Twitty, was fired after the release of the Justice Department report on Wednesday.
The Justice Department said it found that the mostly white police force routinely targeted African-Americans for arrests and ticketing, in part to raise revenue for the city through fines and fees. It found a pattern of officers using excessive force and illegally arresting people without cause, deploying attack dogs and tasers on unarmed people "unreasonably."
“What we saw was that the Ferguson Police Department in conjunction with the municipality saw traffic stops, arrests, tickets as a revenue generator, as opposed to serving the community, and that it systematically was biased against African-Americans in that city who were stopped, harassed, mistreated, abused, called names, fined,” Obama said at a town hall-style meeting in South Carolina.
The federal investigation started after a white Ferguson police officer shot and killed an unarmed black teenager on Aug. 9, triggering nationwide protests and illuminating long-held complaints in Ferguson and elsewhere about police treatment of minorities.
The Justice Department said it did not find grounds to prosecute police officer Darren Wilson for killing 18-year-old Michael Brown, but it did find racially disparate practices rampant through the police force.
Obama said on Friday he fully supported the decision not to charge Wilson.
"That was the decision that was made, and I have complete confidence and stand fully behind the decision that was made by the Justice Department on that issue," he said.
The city and the Justice Department are attempting to negotiate reforms to address the problems, and Knowles said the city has hired a consultant to work with the police.
Knowles said city leaders plan to meet with Justice officials in two weeks to review reform strategies, and try to agree on a settlement.
Relations between the city and the Justice Department have been tense during the federal probe, and city officials have bristled at some of the report's allegations.
"There are a lot of things in that report that are very troubling and need to be addressed, but there are also things that are an overreach," Knowles said.
"Our hope is those negotiations lead to mutual satisfaction. But if we cannot come to terms ... we are not going to settle."
Knowles would not comment on whether Police Chief Tom Jackson would be asked to step down. Several community and civil rights leaders, as well as some lawmakers, have sought Jackson's ouster for months.
"We're looking at where the breakdown was and then we'll make changes accordingly," Knowles said. Obama criticizes Ferguson as city seeks settlement over racial bias
Bismarck.Ihina
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-03-06 22:45:51
Personally, if you need special training on how not to be a racist, maybe you shouldn't be a police officer.
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