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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-03 19:08:16  
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Apparently some think it's flattering that women look up to men as this strong foreign creature they are stuck co-existing with but I saw something very saddening yesterday.

It was a generic social media show, addressing current world issues and they were discussing men's health and how it's only the 1900's and onward that (largely due to an undercurrent of homophobia in society) has really driven men away from physical contact with other men. They were discussing how detrimental it is for a man's emotional well being, to miss out on that experience and comfort etc.

The women were all relating to this, knowing the value of simple friendship bonding and hugs and the like, each wishing men had that comfort to be able to share in the same behaviour freely.

I'm sitting there on the PC listening to this thinking, "I agree it's a really important part of life, the physical contact, being such social organisms." Etc

And the segment pretty much ends with all 6 women saying "So men out there, come on man up. Get over this already." And I was in awe, they all nodded in agreement and the audience agreed and they moved on.

Can you imagine if I saw some similar issue with women and told them all to just deal with it and get over it? that is not okay lol, society plays a huge role in this and tying masculinity to men being reserved and not showing emotions like this is a large issue to tackle etc; It really shocked me to see that kind of blind ignorant behaviour in 2015 from seemingly smart educated people lol.

The most saddening part is this kind of sexism is accepted and most people that perpetuate this aren't even aware of it. Just me typing this opinion out would cause many attempted dismissive attacks on my masculinity on a lot of sites for example lol
I think this is related to this article I saw someone post on Facebook the other day.

Touch Isolation: How Homophobia Has Robbed All Men Of Touch
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-03 19:20:08  
The problem is practical useful application.

There are far too many men who would see this as feminist propaganda, homosexual agenda, or just women yapping about their feels.

There are also far too many women who give up and rely on men to do their thinking and physical work for them.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-03 19:27:45  
I'm sure a few posters here would consider this just awful and un-American or whatever the *** else, but I truly feel (I know, dirty word) that one of the best things in my life was having an adult (semi-adult, I guess; I was 15, he was 21) role model (a bit of an adopted older brother, so to speak) who taught me that you can be a *** badass and still have emotions and not act masculine as *** all the time.

Again, I know a lot of folks probably consider that a big contradiction.

But the nice part is, I just don't give a ***.

He also introduced me to Monty Python and various other great things.

Seriously. Wonderful human being.

And here's an M. Night Shyamalan twist for you all! At the time I knew him, he was strongly considering being a priest and to this day is still a very devout Catholic.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-03 19:34:28  
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Practical useful application is people thinking for themselves more, and changing the way they behave due to being more informed.

Education etc
Not so much education, but more of that people thinking for themselves stuff.

Key word, think, not feel.
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By fonewear 2015-04-03 19:57:53  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Practical useful application is people thinking for themselves more, and changing the way they behave due to being more informed.

Education etc
Not so much education, but more of that people thinking for themselves stuff.

Key word, think, not feel.

Son are you low on feels ?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-03 20:12:17  
It's not about dismissing feelings or tying them into masculinity.

It's about controlling your emotions and releasing them at the appropriate time and place with the right actions. Right would refer to actions that have been thought out, rather than on the fly. Or, when the situation occurs, making amends / fixing the problem(s) your emotions started when you made the wrong decision(s).

Decisions based on feels rarely work out for the best. Humanity (both men and women) has a tendency to defend those actions because of the positions from previous social norms.

The spiral of feels.

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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-03 20:24:29  
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
I would phrase it more towards emotional maturity than logic versus feels.

It's not that Decisions based on feeling are less likely to succeed, it's that mastering feels is much harder than mastering logic. So it's much easier for individuals to master logic than gain full emotional maturity.

So it only appears that in general, feel based decisions have a higher failure rate largely because of the person's own immaturity and processing feels in an unhealthy manner.
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By fonewear 2015-04-03 20:40:52  
My emotional self likes this discussion.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-03 20:42:30  
So this happened.

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On April 1, the city of Tikrit was liberated from the extremist group Islamic State. The Shi'ite-led central government and allied militias, after a month-long battle, had expelled the barbarous Sunni radicals.

Then, some of the liberators took revenge.

Near the charred, bullet-scarred government headquarters, two federal policemen flanked a suspected Islamic State fighter. Urged on by a furious mob, the two officers took out knives and repeatedly stabbed the man in the neck and slit his throat. The killing was witnessed by two Reuters correspondents.

The incident is now under investigation, interior ministry spokesman Brigadier General Saad Maan told Reuters.

Since its recapture two days ago, the Sunni city of Tikrit has been the scene of violence and looting. In addition to the killing of the extremist combatant, Reuters correspondents also saw a convoy of Shi'ite paramilitary fighters – the government's partners in liberating the city – drag a corpse through the streets behind their car.

Local officials said the mayhem continues. Two security officers, speaking on condition of anonymity, said on Friday that dozens of homes had been torched in the city. They added that they had witnessed the looting of stores by Shi'ite militiamen.

Later Friday, Ahmed al-Kraim, head of the Salahuddin Provincial Council, told Reuters that mobs had burned down "hundreds of houses" and looted shops over the past two days. Government security forces, he said, were afraid to confront the mobs. Kraim said he left the city late Friday afternoon because the situation was spinning out of control.

"Our city was burnt in front of our eyes. We can't control what is going on," Kraim said.

Those reports could not be immediately confirmed.

It wasn't supposed to be this way. Islamic State, an Al Qaeda offshoot that arose from the chaos in Iraq and Syria, slaughtered thousands and seized much of northern and central Iraq last year. The government offensive was meant not only to dislodge the group but also to transcend the fundamental divide in fractured Iraq: the enmity between the now-ruling Shi'ite majority and the country's formerly dominant Sunni minority.

Officials close to Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi, a moderate Shi'ite, had described the Tikrit campaign as a chance to demonstrate his government's independence from one source of its power: Iraqi Shi'ite militias backed by Shi'ite Iran and advised by Iranian military officers. Sunnis deeply mistrust and fear these paramilitaries, accusing them of summary executions and vandalism. But Abadi has had to rely on the Shi'ite militias on the battlefield, as Iraq's regular military deserted en masse last summer in the Islamic State onslaught.

The militia groups spearheaded the start of the Tikrit assault in early March. But after two weeks of fighting, Abadi enforced a pause. Asserting his power over the Shi'ite militias, he called in U.S. airstrikes.

Now, the looting and violence in Tikrit threaten to tarnish Abadi's victory. It risks signaling to Sunni Iraqis that the central government is weak and not trustworthy enough to recapture other territory held by Islamic State, including the much larger city of Mosul. Tikrit, hometown of the late dictator Saddam Hussein, is in the Sunni heartland of Iraq.

At stake is much more than future votes: Islamic State's rapid conquests in 2014 were made possible by support from Sunni tribal forces and ordinary citizens. They were convinced that the government – under Abadi's predecessor, Nuri al-Maliki – viewed their community as terrorists. If Sunnis dislike what they see in Tikrit, they may not back the government's efforts against Islamic State.

DEFENDING LIVES AND PROPERTY

On Friday, the government sought to assure all sides that it will enforce order. Abadi issued a statement calling on the security forces to arrest anyone breaking the law.

Asked to comment on the scenes witnessed by Reuters, his spokesman Rafid Jaboori said he would not address individual incidents but said: "People's lives and property are priorities, whether in this operation or in the overall military effort to liberate the rest of Iraq."

Sunni lawmakers who visited Tikrit complained that events have spun out of control since the security forces and militias retook the city.

Parliamentarian Mutashar al-Samarrai credited the government with orchestrating a smooth entrance into Tikrit. But he said that some Shi'ite paramilitary factions had exploited the situation. "I believe this happened on purpose to disrupt the government's achievement in Tikrit," Samarrai said. "This is a struggle between the (paramilitaries) and the government for control."

Neighborhoods entered by the Iraqi forces and Shi'ite paramilitaries have been burnt, including parts of neighboring Dour and Auja, the birthplace of Saddam Hussein.

Security forces blame Islamic State for rigging houses with explosives, while Sunnis suspect the Shi'ite militias and the army and police of deliberately torching their homes.

Looting has also been a problem. Shi'ite paramilitary fighters in pickup trucks raced through the city carrying goods that appeared to have been looted from homes and government offices.

The vehicles were crammed with refrigerators, air conditioners, computer printers, and furniture. A young militia fighter rode on a red bicycle, gleefully shouting: "I always dreamed of having a bike like this as a kid."

Brigadier General Maan, the main spokesman for the government forces, said police were stopping vehicles that appeared to have stolen items. "We are doing our best to impose the law."

IRAN'S FINGERPRINTS

Passions were running high among the Shi'ite militia groups before the assault. Islamic State beheaded people and carried out other atrocities in the lands it conquered. In particular, the militias wanted revenge for Islamic State's killing in June of hundreds of Iraqi soldiers captured from Camp Speicher, a base near Tikrit. It was an event that came to symbolize the Sunni jihadists' barbarism.

Despite Baghdad's efforts to rein in the paramilitaries, the fingerprints of the Shi'ite militias – and of Iran itself – were all over the operation's final hours.

On Wednesday, as Tikrit fell, militiamen were racing to stencil their names on houses in order to take credit for the victory.

An Iranian fighter, with a Kalashnikov rifle slung over his shoulder and a picture of Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei pinned to his chest, bragging about Tehran's role in the campaign.

"I am proud to participate in the battle to liberate Tikrit," said the man, who called himself Sheik Dawood. "Iran and Iraq are one state now."

On the edge of Tikrit in the hours after the city's fall, a Shi'ite paramilitary group drove in a convoy past several police cars. The militiamen had strung the corpse of a suspected Islamic State fighter from the back of a white Toyota pickup truck. The cable dragging the man snapped, and the vehicle stopped.

The men got out to retie the bullet-riddled corpse. As they fastened the cable tighter to the body, a song about their victory over Islamic State played on the truck's stereo. Then they sped off, the corpse kicking up a cloud of dust.

The policemen standing nearby did nothing.

On Wednesday afternoon, Reuters saw two suspected Islamic State detainees – identified as an Egyptian and a Sudanese national – in a room in a government building. The Egyptian and the Sudanese were then taken outside by police intelligence.

Word spread that the two suspected Islamic State prisoners were being escorted out. Federal policemen, who had lost an officer named Colonel Imad the previous day in a bombing, flocked around the detainees.

The interior ministry spokesman, Brigadier Maan, said the Egyptian had stabbed an Iraqi police officer, which explains the anger against him. Reuters couldn't verify that claim.

"WE WANT TO AVENGE OUR COLONEL"

The two prisoners were put in the back of a pickup truck. As the vehicle tried to leave, the crowd blocked it.

The federal policemen started shouting to the intelligence officers: Hand over the men. The intelligence officers tried to shield the prisoners. One pulled a sidearm as the federal police began swinging their fists.

The mob was screaming: "We want to avenge our Lieutenant Colonel."

Shi'ite paramilitary men swarmed the area. The street filled with more than 20 federal police. Gunfire erupted. Bullets ricocheted. At least one of the Shi'ite fighters was wounded, and began bleeding from the leg.

The pickup truck tried to back up. People in the mob grabbed one of the prisoners from the truck, the Egyptian, and pulled him out.

The Egyptian sat silently at the feet of two big policemen in their twenties. His eyes filled with fear. He was surrounded by a few dozen people, a mix of federal police and Shi'ite militiamen.

"He is Daesh, and we should take revenge for Colonel Imad," the two federal police officers yelled, using a derogatory Arabic term for Islamic State.

One of the policemen held a black-handled knife with a four-to-five-inch blade. The other gripped a folding knife, with a three-inch blade and a brown handle.

They waved their knives in the air, to cheers from the crowd, and chanted: "We will slaughter him. We will take revenge for Colonel Imad. We will slaughter him."

The policemen laid the Egyptian's head over the curb. Then one of the police pushed the other out of the way and he swung his whole body down, landing the knife into the Egyptian's neck.

The cop lifted the knife and thrust the blade in the Egyptian's neck a second time. Blood gushed out, staining the boots of the cheering onlookers.

The killer started to saw through the neck, but it was slow-going. He lifted the blade again and slammed it into the Egyptian's neck another four times. Then he sawed back and forth.

"BRING ME A CABLE"

Their fellow policemen chanted: "We took revenge for Colonel Imad."

The killer lifted himself up the street pole next to the dying man so he could address his comrades: "Colonel Imad was a brave man. Colonel Imad didn't deserve to die at the hands of dirty Daesh. This is a message to Colonel Imad's family don't be sad, raise your heads."

Then he shouted: "Let's tie the body to the pole so everyone can see. Bring a cable. Bring a cable."

His friend with the folding knife kept trying to stab the Egyptian, with no success. He cried out: "I need a sharp knife. I want to behead this dirty Daesh."

Finally the men found a cable, fastened it to the dead man's feet and dangled him from the pole.

One policeman grew upset at the spectacle and shouted: "There are dozens of media here. This is not the suitable time. Why do you want to embarrass us?"

The mob ignored him and continued trying to hoist the body. White bone stuck out from his slashed neck, his head flopped from side to side, and the blood continued to gush forth.
Special Report: After Iraqi forces take Tikrit, a wave of looting and lynching

Nothing like being just like the force you just drove away.
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By fonewear 2015-04-03 20:44:52  
Looting and lynching what is this Ferguson Missouri !
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By fonewear 2015-04-03 20:52:04  
No time for war love just came for the oil !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-03 20:53:56  
Forgot what thread it was said in, or if they responded, but those damn Christians always persecuting people, oh wait...

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The death toll in an assault by Somali militants on a Kenyan university is likely to climb above 147, a government source and media said on Friday, as anger grew among local residents over what they say as a government failure to prevent bloodshed.

Strapped with explosives, masked al Shabaab gunmen stormed the Garissa University College campus, some 200 km (120 miles) from the Somali border, in a pre-dawn rampage on Thursday.

Tossing grenades and spraying bullets at cowering students, the attackers initially killed indiscriminately. But they later freed some Muslims and instead targeted Christian students during a siege that lasted about 15 hours.

Anger over the massacre was compounded by the fact there were warnings last week that an attack on a university was imminent. Local residents accused the authorities of doing little to boost security in this little-developed region.
Kenya university death toll seen rising; anger over security failures
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By fonewear 2015-04-03 20:55:52  
Wait a minute...they have colleges in Africa !
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-03 20:57:13  
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Wait a minute...they have colleges in Africa !

I don't think so. Isn't that the country where they filmed The Lion King?
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By fonewear 2015-04-03 20:58:03  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
fonewear said: »
Wait a minute...they have colleges in Africa !

I don't think so. Isn't that the country where they filmed The Lion King?

Spoiler Alert that one lion dies !

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTjLqfGggag
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-03 20:58:08  
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Wait a minute...they have colleges in Africa !
It's where Obama is headed to soon. Well Kenya anyway. I think he's going to do a lecture on political science.
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By fonewear 2015-04-03 21:06:43  
Kenya that's the place where marathon runners come from !
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By fonewear 2015-04-03 21:09:12  
Obama is good Obama is great I surrender my will as of this date !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-03 21:28:42  
Dun-na-na-na-na-na-na-na Obama.

Dun-na-na-na-na-na-na-na Obama.

Dun-na-na-na-na-na-na-na Obama.

Obama, Obama, Obama!
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By fonewear 2015-04-03 21:30:05  
Batman ! I mean Obama !
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Bismarck.Zenim said: »
The gruel doesn't their resistance if they eat 10 bowls!

I found another bean that looks like Obama.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-03 21:34:57  
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Bismarck.Zenim said: »
The gruel doesn't their resistance if they eat 10 bowls!

I found another bean that looks like Obama.
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By fonewear 2015-04-03 21:38:56  
Also know as the gay pizza law !

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