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 Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-21 16:53:31  
Crayola Oblongata, do you need it?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-21 16:57:00  
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It's cute when you guys think you have something. And you still don't fully understand your own link.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-04-22 01:06:31  
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So, you still are denying that you are a hypocrite. You are even trying to change the meaning of the word in your mind now, that's how desperate you are from being associated with the word.
Actually, what does "hypocrite" mean? Because the more I look at it being used in this thread, the more I feel a noxious quotation from "The Princess Bride" creeping into the back of my head.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-22 01:29:55  
When you can't defend the person against a specific accusation, argue about the usage of the term. Works like a charm.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-04-22 01:54:41  
Highlighting a portion of a link (much as you did) that pertains to cherry picking data for climate arguments doesn't make me a hypocrite since, hey!, I wasn't arguing climate data! Ta-dah.

You and King have ground that term into uselessness.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-04-22 02:50:10  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
When you can't defend the person against a specific accusation, argue about the usage of the term. Works like a charm.
Who said I was defending Pleebo? I'm a student of the English language and the repeated failure to use a word correctly is irritating.

Let's pretend that Pleebo is a hypocrite, whether we're using the real definition or whatever insane *** you two idiots think it means: so what? You claim that you found the article "interesting." You say it was "interesting" because it showed that the side with all the facts and data still engages in some of the excesses that the side with neither uses. It's "interesting" that you find it "interesting."

Y'know what "interesting" means, right? Something that invokes or inspires interest. You specifically said:

Bahamut.Ravael said: »
King and I aren't even deniers, that's the funny part. I mostly just found it interesting that even a heavy climate change advocate thinks that people on her own side suck at arguing about it because they cherry-pick their facts

What is interesting? That one side, which has an overwhelming consensus of data and factual information, "sucks at arguing"? I wasn't aware that we judged the merit of factual information on the quality of its presentation, which isn't to say that anything spouted by the denial camp is remotely compelling, anyhow. But if it is interesting, it must be because they've been reduced to the level of having to employ the same stupid tactics like cherry-picking pieces of data in a vain attempt to convince people to shift from a position of illogic.

Of course, there's a word for someone who claims not to be a climate change denier while toeing the party line and consistently invoking partisan sniping aimed directly at those who do not deny climate change. Can't seem to think what that word is right now, but I'm pretty sure it begins with an H.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-22 08:58:15  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
It's cute when you guys think you have something. And you still don't fully understand your own link.

Ah the ramblings of the truly devout. How much did you tithe in carbon credits this year Pleebo?

Don't forget that while you're burning those candles this earth hour, you're actually contributing MORE co2 to the cause than you would if you just used a CFL.

Hope you don't attend a... CAMPFIRE ... this summer either.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-22 09:01:39  
We've finally gone bananas!

Get your entitlements off me you damn dirty ape!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-22 09:03:52  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Highlighting a portion of a link (much as you did) that pertains to cherry picking data for climate arguments doesn't make me a hypocrite since, hey!, I wasn't arguing climate data! Ta-dah.
You are right, but what makes you a hypocrite is that you are claiming that you do not cherry pick arguments while you are cherry picking the argument in question.

Who cares that the article uses one example of data that climate churchgoers use as an example of cherry picking data, that is not what the article is about. You are blatantly being obtuse just so you can claim that you aren't doing what you are doing. That's hypocrisy.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-04-22 09:05:33  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
It's cute when you guys think you have something. And you still don't fully understand your own link.

Ah the ramblings of the truly devout. How much did you tithe in carbon credits this year Pleebo?

Don't forget that while you're burning those candles this earth hour, you're actually contributing MORE co2 to the cause than you would if you just used a CFL.

Hope you don't attend a... CAMPFIRE ... this summer either.
Can't tell if sarcasm or if you really don't know how all this works.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-22 09:07:15  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
It's cute when you guys think you have something. And you still don't fully understand your own link.

Ah the ramblings of the truly devout. How much did you tithe in carbon credits this year Pleebo?

Don't forget that while you're burning those candles this earth hour, you're actually contributing MORE co2 to the cause than you would if you just used a CFL.

Hope you don't attend a... CAMPFIRE ... this summer either.
Can't tell if sarcasm or if you really don't know how all this works.
How what works? Creating CO2 from candles itself, or turning off the lights in favor of a source of illumination that makes more CO2?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-04-22 09:11:18  
Ok so not sarcasm.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-04-22 09:12:40  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
We've finally gone bananas!

Get your entitlements off me you damn dirty ape!

Let's be honest, chimps might be the secret to combating drone attacks.

Not at all surprised that CNN considers a compilation animals versus drones youtube vids news segment worthy. :/
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-22 09:15:24  
/zoidbergs today's topics

"Is this angry yelling or busted hearing aid yelling?"
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-22 09:30:27  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Ok so not sarcasm.
...and there's the dodge.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-22 09:35:29  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Ok so not sarcasm.
...and there's the dodge.

No, here's the Dodge. And a mighty fine one at that.

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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-22 09:38:41  
2 door or GTFO
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-22 09:43:04  
But personally, I prefer the new Ford Shelby Mustang they showed in Detroit this year.

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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-22 09:46:16  
Definitely worth a few global climate change temperature degree increases, and panicked alarmists.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-22 09:49:59  
We'll get to a point eventually where we can have these things without relying on fossil fuels.

Until then...meh. My carbon footprint is what it is and I do what I can without breaking my back to save a few watts or liters of gas.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-04-22 10:38:54  
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Officials Investigating After U.S. Marshal Rips Phone From Hands Of Recording Bystander
The Huffington Post | By Nick Visser


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Officials are investigating a shocking video that purports to show a U.S. marshal destroying the phone of a recording bystander.

The video was uploaded to YouTube on April 19 in South Gate, California, within Los Angeles County. In the clip, recorded from a building across the street, a bystander appears to be filming and talking to uniformed officials responding to a report of a biker gang meeting. A man wearing a bulletproof vest and carrying a weapon then grabs her phone, slamming it to the ground before kicking it down the street.

The U.S. Marshals Service identified the man as a U.S. marshal, but his name has not been released.

“The U.S. Marshals Service is aware of video footage of an incident that took place Sunday in Los Angeles County involving a Deputy U.S. Marshal," a spokesperson for the Marshals Central District of California office told The Huffington Post in an emailed statement. "The agency is currently reviewing the incident."

It's unclear whether the individual recording was affiliated with six people arrested during the police response, according to NBC Los Angeles. But it's perfectly legal to film officers in all 50 states as long as you don't interfere with their work.

“There are First Amendment protections for people photographing and recording in public,” Mickey Osterreicher, an attorney with the National Press Photographers Association, told HuffPost after several journalists were arrested during last year's Ferguson protests.

Intentionally blocking or ordering an individual to cease recording constitutes a First Amendment violation.

Lets start this off nice and hyperbolic:

If she was black she'd have been shot to death. Because she was reaching for a gun!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-22 10:41:39  
Why are you creating an argument where none existed?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-04-22 10:46:54  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Ok so not sarcasm.
...and there's the dodge.
Neither of the activities listed would be an appreciable source of carbon. You fail to understand any of this. You should have claimed sarcasm.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-04-22 10:51:43  
Just for the record:

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hypocrite
noun hyp·o·crite \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\

: a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs
Full Definition of HYPOCRITE
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: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
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: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
— hypocrite adjective

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sarcasm
noun sar·casm \ˈsär-ˌka-zəm\

: the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say especially in order to insult someone, to show irritation, or to be funny
Full Definition of SARCASM
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: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
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a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual
b : the use or language of sarcasm
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-22 11:05:41  
Here's a good book I want to check out:

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“Fascists,” “Brownshirts,” “jackbooted stormtroopers”—such are the insults typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents. Calling someone a fascist is the fastest way to shut them up, defining their views as beyond the political pale. But who are the real fascists in our midst?

Liberal Fascism offers a startling new perspective on the theories and practices that define fascist politics. Replacing conveniently manufactured myths with surprising and enlightening research, Jonah Goldberg reminds us that the original fascists were really on the left, and that liberals from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler's National Socialism and Mussolini's Fascism.

Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.

Do these striking parallels mean that today’s liberals are genocidal maniacs, intent on conquering the world and imposing a new racial order? Not at all. Yet it is hard to deny that modern progressivism and classical fascism shared the same intellectual roots. We often forget, for example, that Mussolini and Hitler had many admirers in the United States. W.E.B. Du Bois was inspired by Hitler's Germany, and Irving Berlin praised Mussolini in song. Many fascist tenets were espoused by American progressives like John Dewey and Woodrow Wilson, and FDR incorporated fascist policies in the New Deal.

Fascism was an international movement that appeared in different forms in different countries, depending on the vagaries of national culture and temperament. In Germany, fascism appeared as genocidal racist nationalism. In America, it took a “friendlier,” more liberal form. The modern heirs of this “friendly fascist” tradition include the New York Times, the Democratic Party, the Ivy League professoriate, and the liberals of Hollywood. The quintessential Liberal Fascist isn't an SS storm trooper; it is a female grade school teacher with an education degree from Brown or Swarthmore.

These assertions may sound strange to modern ears, but that is because we have forgotten what fascism is. In this angry, funny, smart, contentious book, Jonah Goldberg turns our preconceptions inside out and shows us the true meaning of Liberal Fascism.
Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-22 11:14:16  
Interesting reading.
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By fonewear 2015-04-22 11:18:46  
Happy Earth day everyone ! I look forward to feeling guilty about destroying the Earth.
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By fonewear 2015-04-22 11:20:53  
I took the google quiz and got Wooly Mammoth !

https://www.google.com/search?q=earth+day+quiz&oi=ddle&ct=ddle-hpp&hl=en
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